Quote:Agreed. I'd love to see them take a pass rusher (Barr?) in the first and pick up Murray in the second.
Quote:Is Aaron Murray projected as an early second round pick? So far I have not heard anyone say that - even before he tore an ACL.No. Most had him low second early third before the injury. After the injury who knows. But there is a lot of time between now and the draft. My UGA bias is showing through.
This would be more fun if we were only alternating picks with the Raiders. It would be great if we could afford to give them one of our fourth round picks.
Quote:Thats one thing I noticed watching the Eagles last night. Nick Foles, Lesean McCoy, Desean Jackson, Riley Cooper, Brent Celek, Mychal Kendricks, Brandon Boykin. Alot of their key guys were picked in the second round and later. You hit those picks and you get a winner.
Quote:Not saying that the Eagles are a great team, but hitting on a bunch of mid to late round picks is how great teams get built.
The 1970s Steelers found John Kolb in the 3rd round and LC Greenwood in the 10th round of the 1969 draft, they found CB Mel Blount in the 3rd round of the 1970 draft, Dwight White in the 4th round and Ernie Holmes in the 8th round of the 1971 draft, Steve Furness in the 5th round the next year, and found John Stallworth and Mike Webster in the 4th and 5th rounds, respectively, in the 1974 draft. The more recent Steeler teams hit on guys like Greg Lloyd, Joel Steed, Hines Ward, Neil O' Donnell, Brendan Stai, Earl Holmes, Larry Foote, Max Starks, Mike Wallace and Emmanuel Sanders in the mid rounds.
The 1970s Cowboys hit on Charlie Waters, John Fitzgerald, Pat Toomay, Harvey Martin, Bob Breunig, Randy Hughes, Mike Hegamin, Herb Scott, Butch Johnson, Tom Rafferty, Tony Hill in the 3rd round or later, and the 1990s Cowboys saw Mark Stepnoski, Erik Williams, Leon Lett, Tony Tolbert and Brock Marion in the mid rounds as well.
The 1980s 49ers, in the 1986 draft alone, hit on Tom Rathman, Tim McKyer, John Taylor, Charles, Haley, Steve Wallace, Kevin Fagan and Don Griffin. They also found guys like Michael Carter, Guy McIntyre and Bill Romanowski in the mid rounds.
The 1980's-1991 Gibbs era Washington teams featured numerous mid to late round picks playing prominent roles in their success, including Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Charlie Brown, Darryl Grant, Clint Didier (all from 1981), DE Charles Mann in 1983, Mark Rypien in the 6th round of 1986, and Mark Schlereth in 1989.
Quote:It's all about evaluating the players, no matter where you pick.
We just have to hope Caldwell and Co. are good at their jobs.
Quote:It's all about evaluating the players, no matter where you pick.
We just have to hope Caldwell and Co. are good at their jobs.
Quote:Not saying that the Eagles are a great team, but hitting on a bunch of mid to late round picks is how great teams get built.
The 1970s Steelers found John Kolb in the 3rd round and LC Greenwood in the 10th round of the 1969 draft, they found CB Mel Blount in the 3rd round of the 1970 draft, Dwight White in the 4th round and Ernie Holmes in the 8th round of the 1971 draft, Steve Furness in the 5th round the next year, and found John Stallworth and Mike Webster in the 4th and 5th rounds, respectively, in the 1974 draft. The more recent Steeler teams hit on guys like Greg Lloyd, Joel Steed, Hines Ward, Neil O' Donnell, Brendan Stai, Earl Holmes, Larry Foote, Max Starks, Mike Wallace and Emmanuel Sanders in the mid rounds.
The 1970s Cowboys hit on Charlie Waters, John Fitzgerald, Pat Toomay, Harvey Martin, Bob Breunig, Randy Hughes, Mike Hegamin, Herb Scott, Butch Johnson, Tom Rafferty, Tony Hill in the 3rd round or later, and the 1990s Cowboys saw Mark Stepnoski, Erik Williams, Leon Lett, Tony Tolbert and Brock Marion in the mid rounds as well.
The 1980s 49ers, in the 1986 draft alone, hit on Tom Rathman, Tim McKyer, John Taylor, Charles, Haley, Steve Wallace, Kevin Fagan and Don Griffin. They also found guys like Michael Carter, Guy McIntyre and Bill Romanowski in the mid rounds.
The 1980's-1991 Gibbs era Washington teams featured numerous mid to late round picks playing prominent roles in their success, including Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Charlie Brown, Darryl Grant, Clint Didier (all from 1981), DE Charles Mann in 1983, Mark Rypien in the 6th round of 1986, and Mark Schlereth in 1989.
Quote:Not calling the Eagles a great team either. Just an observation.
Quote:But you have to take into account where you pick when deciding which players would be worth your time to watch. For example, it would be a waste of time for the Redskins to evaluate Clowney.What in the world does that have to do with anything?
Quote:The best way to accelerate your rebuilding is getting solid starters out of nowhere. we did that this year with pasztor. I do like our draft picks round 1-4 this year. Hopefully more mid round picks will make a good impact, especially now that it appears we will coach the senior bowl.
One thing this team needs is a low round or undrafted guy just outperformibg everyones expectations. That can shift your entire franchise's fortunes. Someone like a James Harrison. The Bengals appear to have gotte their MLB of the future with Burfict, who I wanted the Jags to pick up from the street.
Theres guys out there. We are going to get lucky one of these years.
Quote:But you have to take into account where you pick when deciding which players would be worth your time to watch. For example, it would be a waste of time for the Redskins to evaluate Clowney.You have to evaluate every player, even if you don't think he will be there at your selection. Scouts evaluate year round, so I'm sure the Skins already have a basic idea of where they rank Clowney on their board. Senior bowl and the combine is there to solidify a prospects value.
Quote:Maybe we'll get a contributor in Ryan Davis.
Quote:I think a guy that will stick is D. McCray. He has made some great special teams plays this year, and looked decent as a raw rookie filling in at CB early this year
Quote:What in the world does that have to do with anything?
And if you think that EVERY team doesn't evaluate EVERY top player, you are truly clueless.
Quote:recent 39th overall selections:
Geno
Janoris Jenkins
Arrelious Benn
Eben Britton
Chilo Rachal
Justin Blalock
Akeem Ayers
What's really intriguing is players selected later in the second round from those years.
MJD, D. Hester, Greg Jennings, LaMarr Woodley, Ryan Kalil, Eddie Royal, Matt Forte, Fred Davis, DeSean Jackson, Calais Campbell, Jarius Byrd, Connor Barwin, LeSean McCoy, Sebastian Vollmer, SenDerrick Marks, Rob Gronkowski, Toby Gerhart, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Golden Tate, Kyle Rudolph, Shane vereen , Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, Kiko Alonso, LeVeon Bell, Eddie Lacy
That ^ is a pretty nice list of good football players. They were all picked in the second round later than #39 between 2006-2012.
There WILL BE a good player available at #39. No doubt. You just have to decide if you believe Caldwell will pick the right guy.
Quote:Another guy to watch at 39 is Beasley from Clemson.. He compares to Bruce Irvin.. would be a nice fit at Leo if Bradley likes him.
A guy like Clinton-Dix or even Moseley could fall to the 2nd round also. Not to mention Jace Amaro or Ebron. Out of the ones I've named here, I guarantee you at least 1 will be available when we pick in rd 2
Quote:Beasleyy would be my dream second round pick, next to ASJ. HIs burst off the line is unmatched by any player in this draft, Clowney included.
Quote:I know what I'm about to say should go into the Who's the first rd. pick, but I'm gonna say it here.Like last year?
There will be a huge rush on QB's in the first round, that's just the way it works in the NFL. Each of the high end QBs are gonna start getting major love from all media outlets and that will cause alot of pressure on teams in the top 6 to target a QB in the first round.
What scares me about this is that by the 2nd round, all the top tier pass rushers are probably gonna be gone... And we desperately need a great pass rusher.
Quote:Like last year?