Quote:It doesn't matter where you pick. As long as you hit on the pick, draft order means nothing.
I agree. It doesn't matter that the colts already took Andrew Luck, we'll just go ahead and take him, too. Since order doesn't matter.
Quote:That's about the most naive thing I've ever read.
Why? If you hit on the pick at #2 or #9 what's the difference? You still hit on your pick and got your guy.
Quote:I agree. It doesn't matter that the colts already took Andrew Luck, we'll just go ahead and take him, too. Since order doesn't matter.
Reading comprehension.
Whether Andrew Luck was picked 1st is irrelevant. If you hit on your pick at #1, or hit your pick at #9, what's the difference? You still got your guy, and you still hit on your pick. Either way it was a successful draft pick. I'll trust Caldwell to get his guy.
Quote:Reading comprehension.
Whether Andrew Luck was picked 1st is irrelevant. If you hit on your pick at #1, or hit your pick at #9, what's the difference? You still got your guy, and you still hit on your pick. Either way it was a successful draft pick. I'll trust Caldwell to get his guy.
The problem is either the other teams get better players because they're picking ahead of you or you're counting on them to be incompetent and unable to pick the best player.
I personally would rather just have the shot at the best player than some meaningless wins at the end of a losing season.
All this talk about Luck is blind hindsight. This team was not taking a QB the year following a move up to get a QB the year before. Get serious!
Regards................the Chiefjag
we were eliminated before the season started
Quote:we were eliminated before the season started
Well, mathematically, we were in it all the way up until last week's loss.
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Just win,
^this
They took viewers to the darkest side of losing. Warner came right out saying when a player knows the playoffs are a pipe dream his thoughts turn elsewhere. “Once you realize you are out of it, it’s like, “Okay, I’m good. We can take the rest of the year off,’ ” Warner said. “Just call me when it’s time for training camp so we can start the process of winning a championship.”
A player would not be speaking the truth, Faulk said, if he didn’t admit to being mentally shot with one foot on the putting green. “You have four games to play … your uniforms look different. You want to wear something different at home,” Faulk said. “I can remember a coach coming in and saying, ‘Listen our season starts today.’ I’m like, ‘You must be talking about next year.’”
Quote:In 2011 we beat the Colts in meaningless a game to give them Andrew Luck. This year we beat the Texans in another meaningless game to all but ensure they can get Teddy.
It's bad enough when we are simply screwing ourselves out of the best players and franchise QBs in the draft, but when we are also setting up our division opponents for prolonged periods of prosperity at the same time...yikes.
Anyone who says beating the Texans twice was good for the future of the franchise is not thinking cogently. Which is fine because we're emotional fans, but you have to deal with and accept the repercussions.
Your "silly winner" pat-on-the-head post is embarrassing.
Teddy ain't Manning. Hell, he might not even be Schaub. Even if he was Jughead 2.0 nothing is worth sacrificing my dignity for "that" player. I understand your argument all right, but it's a loser.
Quote:They took viewers to the darkest side of losing. Warner came right out saying when a player knows the playoffs are a pipe dream his thoughts turn elsewhere. “Once you realize you are out of it, it’s like, “Okay, I’m good. We can take the rest of the year off,’ ” Warner said. “Just call me when it’s time for training camp so we can start the process of winning a championship.”
A player would not be speaking the truth, Faulk said, if he didn’t admit to being mentally shot with one foot on the putting green. “You have four games to play … your uniforms look different. You want to wear something different at home,” Faulk said. “I can remember a coach coming in and saying, ‘Listen our season starts today.’ I’m like, ‘You must be talking about next year.’”
It's incredible how many people just don't get this.
If you're not competing for the Superbowl you're just establishing draft position.
Quote:They took viewers to the darkest side of losing. Warner came right out saying when a player knows the playoffs are a pipe dream his thoughts turn elsewhere. “Once you realize you are out of it, it’s like, “Okay, I’m good. We can take the rest of the year off,’ ” Warner said. “Just call me when it’s time for training camp so we can start the process of winning a championship.”
A player would not be speaking the truth, Faulk said, if he didn’t admit to being mentally shot with one foot on the putting green. “You have four games to play … your uniforms look different. You want to wear something different at home,” Faulk said. “I can remember a coach coming in and saying, ‘Listen our season starts today.’ I’m like, ‘You must be talking about next year.’”
Quote:It's incredible how many people just don't get this.
If you're not competing for the Superbowl you're just establishing draft position.
Wait... What?
Is there a black hole in the MB where the darkness of what is being implied here didn't make it through to my part of the interwebs?
Solid Snake, can you cite the source in which you make your comments? Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're talking about. It sounds like you're saying that Kurt Warner is the worst type of team-mate to ever have.
Why type of jerk-store gives up on everything when they're playing a game, even if you aren't winning the championship. Dude, even when I know I'm not the best at anything, I still compete hard for not only myself, but all those that are on my team. Anyone who doesn't do that is worth less than my respect. And I already have not respect of Kurt Warner.
Again, I must have missed something. Please, help me out... Anyone... Bueller?
I don't believe a coach should ever tank.
Every single coach is supposed to try to make the players better. The head coach is there to motivate the team and try to win as many games as possible.
The GM on the other hand, is able to "tank" by not re-signing aging but solid vets like Smith, and not breaking the bank on average FAs.
In that regard, I do believe our GM has "Tanked"... he has set this team up for a very high draft position.
Only "problem" (which isn't a problem at all, quite the opposite actually) is that Gus Bradley and the staff was able to improve the roster as the season went on and get some wins. Overall, that is good news for this team. You can't just tell Bradley and the team to lose games - it would undermine everything he stands for.
The key players on this squad that have created the surge we see have been here since week 1.
Tell me a player we picked up after Week 1 that has caused this surge in performance.
http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1541835
There is guilt, too. Irvin flashed back to the 1997 season, when the Cowboys finished 6-10.
“I remember sitting on the field. We were losing the last game of the season to the Giants and I just cried,” Irvin said. “I couldn’t let it go. No matter what, I couldn’t turn it around and I couldn’t get the guys going."
So, what is Eli Manning really feeling?
The football media offers no clarity. It carries his clichés and speculates on moves needed to be made next season. Eli would never give up, never let Coughlin’s words go in one ear and out the other, right?
There is no consolation prize. The Jaguars will be sitting home watching the playoffs, waiting til next year. The last two games are essentially preseason games especially with all our injuries. You can talk all you want about win win rah-rah, but the truth is those players who know there is only next year are looking to shut it down. To some of them they might feel like these games are meaningless. That doesnt make them losers. They want the postseason. That's all that matters.
Quote:http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1541835
There is guilt, too. Irvin flashed back to the 1997 season, when the Cowboys finished 6-10.
“I remember sitting on the field. We were losing the last game of the season to the Giants and I just cried,” Irvin said. “I couldn’t let it go. No matter what, I couldn’t turn it around and I couldn’t get the guys going."
So, what is Eli Manning really feeling?
The football media offers no clarity. It carries his clichés and speculates on moves needed to be made next season. Eli would never give up, never let Coughlin’s words go in one ear and out the other, right?
Irving crying that he lost and the season is gone is one thing.
Warner and (potentially) Eli giving up on his team is another thing.
I'm assuming you've played team sports. There were tourneys I went into on by Basketball team where the tourney was done, and I cried about it as well. But there was never a time I took the court, even in that last so called worthless game where I didn't want to win. I just don't understand the statements Warner made. Who-ever "Warner" was. But if it was a statement from Kurt Warner, that guy is a loser and doesn't ever deserve to be in the HOF.
Heart and Pride is born from failure. Joy and Happiness (in sports of course) comes from finding your failures and overcoming them. When you give up, you're not failing, YOU ARE GIVING UP. Big difference.
If you can't give it your all when you know all is lost, what are you? You're a loser. Sorry, coming from how I learned to play team sports, that just how I feel.
Quote:There is no consolation prize. The Jaguars will be sitting home watching the playoffs, waiting til next year. The last two games are essentially preseason games especially with all our injuries. You can talk all you want about win win rah-rah, but the truth is those players who know there is only next year are looking to shut it down. To some of them they might feel like these games are meaningless. That doesnt make them
losers. They want the postseason. That's all that matters.
I can see your point. I just disagree. These guys are lucky enough to compete weekly for glory. Maybe that sounds cheesey, but man. When you play a game that you grew up playing, a game you know you won't be playing much longer, there is no other high than trying to win.
These guys aren't like NBA or MLB players than have hundreds of games in them. They have 16 games a year for hopefully 5 years. Every game, every crowd, every potential glory is a sweet taste of succulent glory that most of of only have a brief drop of. Don't think that 99% of them don't know that.
The Tom Brady's and Belicheats of the world that just give spam "coach speak" are the rare dead souls. The crazy Suhs and Dez's are more similar to the reality of how these guys really feel.
That's why we all love Gus Bradley. It appears that this dude gets it. He even got MJD to want it. MJD, a so called "grizzled vet" has mentioned he wants to potentially come back to the jags. There's buy in, it's a business. But it's still a game. A game that these dudes grew up loving. Those folks that can make them remember that love are the ones that build a franchise and a championship.
It's really just that simple. It's that simple because its a game. And we can all identify with that.
Quote:Irving crying that he lost and the season is gone is one thing.
Warner and (potentially) Eli giving up on his team is another thing.
I'm assuming you've played team sports. There were tourneys I went into on by Basketball team where the tourney was done, and I cried about it as well. But there was never a time I took the court, even in that last so called worthless game where I didn't want to win. I just don't understand the statements Warner made. Who-ever "Warner" was. But if it was a statement from Kurt Warner, that guy is a loser and doesn't ever deserve to be in the HOF.
Heart and Pride is born from failure. Joy and Happiness (in sports of course) comes from finding your failures and overcoming them. When you give up, you're not failing, YOU ARE GIVING UP. Big difference.
If you can't give it your all when you know all is lost, what are you? You're a loser. Sorry, coming from how I learned to play team sports, that just how I feel.
I don't want to make too much of this, but I don't think I want Solid Snake on my team.
And Snake, you write in a style that makes it seem that you think you speak for others as well as yourself - the "that's all that matters" stuff. Says who?
Oh, and one last thing. Do you go to Jaguar games? Or I guess I should say, do you pay for Jaguar games? Well, I do. And excuse me if I don't meet your lofty "I know what's best for the team even if you rubes don't" standard, but I don't think it's out of line to expect the team to try it's hardest to win for the paying customers.
You can play pretend GM at any time. The players, I hope, are trying to win games.
Quote:I don't want to make too much of this, but I don't think I want Solid Snake on my team.
And Snake, you write in a style that makes it seem that you think you speak for others as well as yourself - the "that's all that matters" stuff. Says who?
Oh, and one last thing. Do you go to Jaguar games? Or I guess I should say, do you pay for Jaguar games? Well, I do. And excuse me if I don't meet your lofty "I know what's best for the team even if you rubes don't" standard, but I don't think it's out of line to expect the team to try it's hardest to win for the paying customers.
You can play pretend GM at any time. The players, I hope, are trying to win games.
Lol when I played I was one of the fastest and hardest hitting players on the field regardless of who we played. I gave 110% on every play even when we were constantly getting blown out every Friday by 60+ points. The team simply wasn't that talented. There were a few bright spots but not enough.
There is a reason professional football athletes only play 16 games, and dread adding more games to the regular season. It's brutal. The risk of serious injury is ever present. They get hit by the biggest, fastest, and meanest players on the planet. And if you were ask them long after their playing careers ended to provide an honest and accurate explanation of how they felt during times where they knew the season was over and there was absolutely no chance of playing in the playoffs, I bet some of their answers wouldn't deviate far from what Kurt and Marshall said. These are professional athletes. This isn't like college. These guys don't get bowl games, they get the couch albeit very expensive couches but couches nonetheless. You romanticize and uses metaphorical phrases like "gladiator", "battles", and "glory" but forget that football players are people too. That is why coaches shut certain players down during a losing season, don't play starters when they've clinched, etc etc. Of course everyone wants to win, but even those coaches know the games don't really matter. They might matter to you. You might feel better knowing the team went 4-12 as opposed to 2-14 but in the grand scheme of thing it doesn't matter. That of course is my opinion. You don't have to agree with it and I certainly don't have to agree with yours...