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"At this point we don't know what else to do."


Every day Gus is the coach after that statement is what is wrong with this franchise.

The Marino/Shula Curse. Until that is lifted im not sure what we can do.

I think a big problem was that it was okay to lose the first 3 years. Losing should always be unacceptable no matter the circumstance.

 

It's like they took a page out of the 76ers book and made the fans trust Dave's process. The problem is he has drafted terribly in the first 2 rounds (except Ramsey)

Quote:The Marino/Shula Curse. Until that is lifted im not sure what we can do.

 

What Shula curse?

It start's at the top with Shad Khan not knowing football and making poor choices for GM and HC............

Poor personnel management and coaching. This team is talented, but it's young. And that was my biggest concern coming into 2016 with all of these high expectations and love we were getting from the mainstream. We really don't have enough veterans on this team to keep the young guys grounded and focused when they suffer a loss. And when it becomes a habit it becomes a NASTY habit. And that's what we've seen all year. Too many guys trying to make plays that aren't there. Or, guys trying to compensate or pick-up the slack on one side of the team to make up for the other. That's on your coaching staff and general manager for not figuring out a proper way to balance out the team. Bradley's overall decision making with his coaching staff has always been an issue and concern. He used the buddy system to get Babich here. That backfired. And then he had an odd interview process earlier this year to inevitably replace him with an in house coach in Wash. 

 

Now, in fairness. Wash seems to be the right coach for this defense. It's not perfect overall. It's not elite by any means. But it's good enough to keep us in games this year and for the first time in a long time it actually looks like we're disguising our schemes and blitzing from different angles and getting off the field on third downs. But Bradley's decision to hire and fire Fisch, who never ran an offense in the NFL before coming here. And then to replace him with Olson who was a QB coach here with Gabbert, and, was responsible for Freeman's one year hit wonder and fall off. And then with him coming over from Oakland with the 32nd ranked offense only to replace your 31st ranked offense was beyond a head scratching moment. 

 

2015's offensive output was a fluke and the results were truly based off of games that were mostly out of reach and no longer a contest. So now when we arrived to 2016 and we finally had a defense that could maintain the game in the first half. Our offense simply could not respond. They didn't know how to make heads from tails. They weren't used to seeing different schemes like they did this year. They weren't expecting Robinson to get taken out of the equation by a well coached defense and scheme that knows how to do that. I've said it a lot this year. But when you look at guys like Brown, Jones, Beckham, Green and Fitzgerald. Those guys don't sit still. They're moved in and out of the various receiving positions on the field to get them open one way or another. They don't just always go out there and line-up at the same position. I haven't seen them use Robinson like that at all that much this year under Olson or Hackett. 

 

But that's really been the biggest issue since day one. Poor coaching, poor personnel management and poor decision making which has sand trapped a very young and talented roster overall. This entire front office drank the kool-aid that was being passed around. That's why Caldwell focused virtually his entire off-season to fixing the defense this year because it was seen as this team's great bane last year. This offense was over hyped and praised for garbage time production in 2015 despite the fact that our quarterback was still making mistakes with the football, forcing passes that weren't there and fumbling it away with poor awareness in the pocket. Which this year, you can't say he's had no time because that's been arguably one of the biggest improvements we've seen in four years so far is the pass protection. The run blocking was poor earlier on, but now after seeing the last few weeks of production under Hackett's play calling it may have just been an issue with Olson all along. 

We've gone after low budget head coaches that get their on-the-job training here in Jacksonville.

 

Gus has turned this place into Camp Cupcake --- played really hard, learned a lot from this loss, yadda yadda yadda

 

This is what 14-46 looks like in the Gus lead locker room

 

Bradley and Bortles 

 

A coach with the ability to correct mistakes from happening week after week after week and QB with just mediocre accuracy would have this team at .500 right now. 

Quote:"At this point we don't know what else to do."


Every day Gus is the coach after that statement is what is wrong with this franchise.

Did he really say that? LMBO

Quote:I don't understand this part of your post.   What do you mean by this: 

 

"He was building a team that may win now but would lose 3-4 years into the future."

 

Please elaborate.  

 

 

Quote:I read every word of your theory on what is wrong with this franchise, anxiously waiting for more details as to exactly how the team is not " projecting the future of the NFL ". Could you elaborate?

 

I agree I haven't given a direct answer to this.   This entire post is speculation.  I don't know exactly why the two rebuilds failed.  But the entire point was to question if for instance Caldwell went through the right steps to build a team, but by the time he built what he envisioned (and even as he was building it), the NFL had already moved on.  Did he and the staff make his decisions too early and didn't adjust as the NFL was changing.  Like they shot for a moving target as if it were stationary.

 

We're reaching the point of being snakebitten.  JagsFanSince95 brough up even another point I didn't mention.  The fact that head coaches have come and gone and have had success elsewhere, not just players.  It's almost like the misfortune is not attached to any coach or players, but to the city of Jacksonville or the Jaguars franchise.  Like if Bradley had gone somewhere else, he'd have been a good coach.  If Bortles had gone to Arizona or New England, he'd be a good QB.  That's what is seems like right now.  

 

But snakebitten isn't really an answer to anything.   I can't just accept that no matter the coach they hire, no matter the GM, no matter the player they sign, they're still bad.  There's got to be an explanation.  Right now, we can say the players suck or the coaches must be bad.  But what if there is a deeper cause?

Quote:Did he really say that? LMBO

 

That quote was at the end of last year.

 

This one was after the tittians game this year:

 

"The first half was inexcusable," Bradley said. "We didn't come out to play. I don't know what the answer is. Do we play with some anxiety? Yeah, I can say I felt like we pressed too much. ... There's not a lot to be said, but it wasn't good enough obviously."

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl.../92872928/

 

It's beyond time that this gomer was shown the door. Even he admits that he can't fix the problems because HE ADMITTEDLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO! His plan failed and he knows nothing else. That's why he can't improve. That's why he can't make halftime or week to week adjustments. He doesn't understand what's wrong and doesn't know anything else but what he's already put in place. He cannot adapt and it's killing this team. 

Quote:That quote was at the end of last year.

 

This one was after the tittians game this year:

 

"The first half was inexcusable," Bradley said. "We didn't come out to play. I don't know what the answer is. Do we play with some anxiety? Yeah, I can say I felt like we pressed too much. ... There's not a lot to be said, but it wasn't good enough obviously."

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl.../92872928/

 

It's beyond time that this gomer was shown the door. Even he admits that he can't fix the problems because HE ADMITTEDLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO! His plan failed and he knows nothing else. That's why he can't improve. That's why he can't make halftime or week to week adjustments. He doesn't understand what's wrong and doesn't know anything else but what he's already put in place. He cannot adapt and it's killing this team. 

maybe make stillfiregus.com

Quote:"At this point we don't know what else to do."


Every day Gus is the coach after that statement is what is wrong with this franchise.

Whoa he said that? I must have missed it. That's an inexcusable thing for a coach to say. He should be gone.

Quote:Whoa he said that? I must have missed it. That's an inexcusable thing for a coach to say. He should be gone.

Yup has also said a bunch of other crazy things. 

Quote:What Shula curse?

 

Yeah, what does he mean Shula Curse? At least I understand the Marino curse, but we can't be cursed by someone who we didn't do wrong in some way or pummel on the field, can we?

 

My God, where would it end?

Quote:Whoa he said that? I must have missed it. That's an inexcusable thing for a coach to say. He should be gone.

It's taken very out of context (but still a bad thing for a coach to say.)

 

IIRC it was addressing one of two things specifically during a press conference.

 

It was either about the inability to get pressure on the QB after trying multiple blitzes, stunts and personnel groupings  --  or it was regarding the run blocking failures after trying a number of different scheme tweaks and various ways of using the TEs and RBs. 

Quote:It's taken very out of context (but still a bad thing for a coach to say.)


IIRC it was addressing one of two things specifically during a press conference.


It was either about the inability to get pressure on the QB after trying multiple blitzes, stunts and personnel groupings -- or it was regarding the run blocking failures after trying a number of different scheme tweaks and various ways of using the TEs and RBs.

Well my girlfriend went into labor about halfway thru the second quarter so I haven't really looked at anything regarding the team the past few days.

Quote:I agree I haven't given a direct answer to this.   This entire post is speculation.  I don't know exactly why the two rebuilds failed.  But the entire point was to question if for instance Caldwell went through the right steps to build a team, but by the time he built what he envisioned (and even as he was building it), the NFL had already moved on.  Did he and the staff make his decisions too early and didn't adjust as the NFL was changing.  Like they shot for a moving target as if it were stationary.

 

 

The NFL doesn't "move on" that fast.   I agree that if you built a team for 1969, and it's 2019, that won't work, but 3 years?   No, it doesn't move that fast.  

It's easily poor drafting, especially in the first round, and not ever getting a true franchise QB.

 

Year after year everyone blames the coaches and coordinators and wants them run out of town, which ends up happening, and they go on to have success elsewhere while we try someone new and the same thing happens.  It's like freaking groundhogs day.  You want to succeed, start drafting well, especially in round 1, and find your QB. OAK is the perfect example.

 

BTW, I'm not suggesting Bradley should stay.  This team needs a fresh start, but the real problem with this franchise for over a decade is simply not getting the right talent, simple as that.