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Quote:I agree with Sexton in that I would like to see a QB change, but not to Henne. I know what we have in Henne, a vet backup with a proven background of inconsistent mediocrity. I would like to see Allen get a start or two over the last 4 games, in order to see if he has anything worthwhile to his game.

I get your sentiment about Allen, and agree.


But I don't think throwing him in there right away against the Vikings is the best way to go.

The Vikes are definitely one of the best defenses (especially on the back end). Any of the Jags QBs are gonna struggle with them.

Bortles should've been benched for atrocious play a few games ago. They wouldn't do it.. Inept coaching yet again.


Bortles will start this next game. If he's struggling badly again in the 1st half, "MAYBE" the coaches pull him for Allen/Henne.


But I doubt it.

Quote:Just no.  that's a mild form of let's give a woman abuser one more chance of not hitting his girlfriend.  Just say no.   This is so painful to watch.  If he wins via real competition then he earns it.  Otherwise, Just no.

Weird comp, but ok.


Of course have competition, we need a back up plan for sure, however, I still have hope he can turn it around with another off season to get back to basics.

Quote:Can we expel the myth that Blake Bortles has a good arm?


You contradict yourself when you say, he throws wobbly, inaccurate passes and then say he has a "good arm"


Draft pundits started throwing out the Roethlisberger comparisons but he's more Tim Tebow than Big Ben

Tebow could lead this team to wins

I just wonder why the major regression from Bortles, Robinson and Hurns in a single season after so much progress in 2015?? What changed??

Quote:I just wonder why the major regression from Bortles, Robinson and Hurns in a single season after so much progress in 2015?? What changed??

Bortles regression is the reason for the others you listed. 

 

It's really just one regression. Though Hurns' drops are concerning, Robinson just started phoning it in after Bortles hung them all out to dry several weeks in a row. It's hard to blame him for doing so. 

Quote:Bortles regression is the reason for the others you listed.


It's really just one regression. Though Hurns' drops are concerning, Robinson just started phoning it in after Bortles hung them all out to dry several weeks in a row. It's hard to blame him for doing so.

So what happened between 2015 and now to cause Bortles to go from nice progression to serious regression???

Quote:So what happened between 2015 and now to cause Bortles to go from nice progression to serious regression???

 

His already shaky footwork and throwing motion went from "moderately improved from his rookie year" to "worse than ever" and his accuracy became significantly worse as a result. 

 

Between working with Fisch, Scelfo, Hackett, Olson and House  - he's just had way too many cooks in the kitchen in the past three years and he's so confused now he can't throw the most basic of football passes anywhere near consistently. 

Quote:His already shaky footwork and throwing motion went from "moderately improved from his rookie year" to "worse than ever" and his accuracy became significantly worse as a result.


Between working with Fisch, Scelfo, Hackett, Olson and House - he's just had way too many cooks in the kitchen in the past three years and he's so confused now he can't throw the most basic of football passes anywhere near consistently.

So...


- Bortles due to poor mechanics

- DC for drafting a QB with poor mechanics??

- Too many coaches

- Too many bad coaches??


Most importantly...can a better coaching staff help him?

Sound familiar?


WEAKNESSES Winds to uncork it deep and generate slightly above-average arm strength. Operated in an offense where he made a lot of one-look reads and short lateral tosses. Does not spin spirals consistently -- too many throws come out with loose wobble and could struggle to cut the wind and handle the elements of cold-winter climates. Tends to throw off his back foot when pressured, negating his accuracy. Works heavily out of the gun -- will have to adapt to snaps under center and deep drops. Operates an offense predicated on the short passing game that inflates his completion percentage. Ball handling/security could stand to improve (fumbled nine times as a junior). Struggled to throw receivers open vs. better competition (see Ohio State in 2012 and South Carolina in '13) and will require time to adjust to the closing speed of NFL defensive backs. Footwork could use some polishing -- deteriorates under duress and does not look natural on deep drops. Is only a two-year starter, can improve his overall understanding of the game and become more consistent with his mechanics.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1

BOTTOM LINE Possesses ideal size, athletic ability, intangibles and enough arm strength to develop into an upper-echelon quarterback. Is not yet a franchise quarterback, but has all the physical ingredients to become an outstanding NFL starter and his arrow is very clearly ascending. Warrants top-10 consideration.

Quote:Most importantly...can a better coaching staff help him?

Draft research articles have shown that it is exceedingly rare for a QB to successfully overhaul major mechanical flaws. Tweaks like Aaron Rodgers made are possible (and he got years to train them on the bench), but major ones like Blakes/Leftwich/Tebow's stay like that forever. Color me skeptical that Blake becomes essentially the first one to break that mold. 

Quote:Most importantly...can a better coaching staff help him?

 

He made marginal improvement and then regressed.  It's possible he can get it together, but somewhat unlikely. 

he has to put the work in HIMSELF during an offseason and obviously he didn't do that.

I have to think injury is seriously impacting his throwing ability. It would be hard to explain this amount of regression otherwise. Would it not?

Good fences make good neighbors.

 

Howdy neighbor!

 

Get off my damn fence.

Quote:I have to think injury is seriously impacting his throwing ability. It would be hard to explain this amount of regression otherwise. Would it not?

 

this type of regression is not unprecedented. take Josh Freeman for example.

Quote:this type of regression is not unprecedented. take Josh Freeman for example.

True. Looking into it further is it really that much of a regression? He really wasn't all that good last year either, sans the stats.

Quote:True. Looking into it further is it really that much of a regression? He really wasn't all that good last year either, sans the stats.

 

i dont know.  his deep ball accuracy was on point last year. defenses have put a stop to that.  he has grit and toughness. that's about it.

 

we went from a guy with perfect mechanics but no grit, to a guy with only grit.  God help us.

Quote:But...it is the same coaching that made those guys look promising last year? Nothing changed coaching wise. 

 

And I understand that but you really don't think that the coaching staff just messed up hard this season because its like half the offense having problems not just one player?

So if the coach made these players look good one season ago how is it that hard to make them look good again and not garbage?

something most have changed in the system unless you think it is all coincidence?

Apparently, Bortles isn't held accountable for his play.  I haven't heard anything from the coaches about the possibility of benching him.  That sends a message to the team.  The sooner we move on from him the better.  His throwing motion is atrocious and every year we would have to hope it doesn't revert back to it's old ways?  Do we really want that?  Even in his season last year his QBR wasn't good.  He's not a franchise QB.  The sooner everyone realizes that...the better off we will be.