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Quote:I'm not a big Tyrod guy personally. 

 

He'll be looking for starter money.

You don't bring in competition for starter money. You bring in a replacement.

Then perhaps we should be bringing in a replacement. 

If Bortles continues to play as he's playing, then yes - we don't have a QB and need a replacement.

 

I don't mind if we pay like Tyrod starter money as a replacement.

 

If Bortles turns it around and wins the job back - great.

 

If he doesn't, then we've got a starter anyway.

 

Right now we need a starter - and Tyrod is a more certain starter than what we've got.  Enough of these hopes and great expectations.  Prayers don't win football games.

Quote:If Bortles continues to play as he's playing, then yes - we don't have a QB and need a replacement.

 

I don't mind if we pay like Tyrod starter money as a replacement.

 

If Bortles turns it around and wins the job back - great.

 

If he doesn't, then we've got a starter anyway.

 

Right now we need a starter - and Tyrod is a more certain starter than what we've got.  Enough of these hopes and great expectations.  Prayers don't win football games.

I suppose if the price is right...

 

but I'm against giving Tyrod some Brock Osweiler contract. 

I don't buy into the 'better than what we have' philosophy.  I want somebody that is actually a good QB.

Quote:I don't buy into the 'better than what we have' philosophy.  I want somebody that is actually a good QB.

 

I am sick of that too. Simply being "better than what we have" is just a way of saying, "We have very little talent on the roster," which is absolutely not true at all.

 

If Tony Romo was 10 years younger, I would want him.

Absolutely. I'm tired of being hopeful for the QB position. I'm tired of it being a big reason we lose. I'm tired of picking busts year after year and waiting way too long for them to develop. Time to pick up a guy with a low ceiling and a high floor and Tyrod is a pretty safe quarterback choice. He won't necessarily lose you the game all the time, and think about how often this team loses because of its QB play.

 

I don't think people realize just how much this team would improve with just average quarterback play. A new head coach to install a new attacking defense that actually causes turnovers and you've got yourself a contender.

 

Jacksonville has the pieces in place on offense. It just needs a kick in the butt from a new coach and quarterback.

Tyrod is a good QB.  If you disagree, oh well... that's your opinion.

 

IMO, he's a good QB who is also better than our starter.

Quote:Tyrod is a good QB. If you disagree, oh well... that's your opinion.


IMO, he's a good QB who is also better than our starter.

Exactly.


Even with Bradley...this team would look considerably better with a better QB.

Tyrod is less turnover prone but I think Bortles is better all around and if he fixes his mechanic issues he'll be fine I hope.

I just don't think Taylor is that good and running quarterbacks always end up getting hurt.

 

Always.

Quote:Tyrod is a good QB.  If you disagree, oh well... that's your opinion.

 

IMO, he's a good QB who is also better than our starter.

I'm not saying he isn't a good QB.

Just not my preference.

 

 

Quote:Tyrod is less turnover prone but I think Bortles is better all around and if he fixes his mechanic issues he'll be fine I hope.

11 turnovers in 14 games in 2015

 

 

 

BTW.... according to sportrac, he isn't even a FA?

So we're hoping and guessing that the Bills don't want him.

 

 

Why would we want him if the Bills don't?

lol

Quote:I'm not saying he isn't a good QB.

Just not my preference.



11 turnovers in 14 games in 2015




BTW.... according to sportrac, he isn't even a FA?

So we're hoping and guessing that the Bills don't want him.



Why would we want him if the Bills don't?

lol

He can be cut after this cause his salary goes up. I dont really like the idea of taking another organizations word for it so to speak because they can always easily be wrong. Weve seen plenty of organizations be terrible at evaluating quarterbacks just this season alone. But yeah tyrod isnt that good.

Quote:Tyrod is less turnover prone but I think Bortles is better all around and if he fixes his mechanic issues he'll be fine I hope.

Other than durability, what does he have on Tyrod? Tyrod has a much stronger arm, way better mechanics, and far better athleticism. He has accuracy issues but still not as badly as Blake's accuracy issues. 

Quote:Other than durability, what does he have on Tyrod? Tyrod has a much stronger arm, way better mechanics, and far better athleticism. He has accuracy issues but still not as badly as Blake's accuracy issues. 

 

Blake had everything better than Tyrod last year. It is just a down year for him.

Quote:Other than durability, what does he have on Tyrod? Tyrod has a much stronger arm, way better mechanics, and far better athleticism. He has accuracy issues but still not as badly as Blake's accuracy issues. 

 

  Height.  

Quote:Height.  

 

That is a big one (literally) but what goes on inside a player's head is more important than the distance between your head and the floor. Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler are the tallest QBs now. Blake Bortles needs to use his height (6-5) in the pocket to put balls where receivers can get them. Then he needs to make sure being two inches shorter than Houston's QB does not put him at a disadvantage. 

Quote:That is a big one (literally) but what goes on inside a player's head is more important than the distance between your head and the floor. Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler are the tallest QBs now. Blake Bortles needs to use his height (6-5) in the pocket to put balls where receivers can get them. Then he needs to make sure being two inches shorter than Houston's QB does not put him at a disadvantage. 

 

  Though I agree that good height range by itself is only one part of the overall package for a QB,  it can provide major advantages..  Basically,  I mentioned height in answer to the above question.  Nothing more should be read into that,  as this season there's no question Tyrod Taylor is performing much better than Blake Bortles.

 

  Brock Osweiler's height probably works to a disadvantage for him.  

Quote:  Height.  

I mean, sure...but Blake leads the league in passes batted down by dline the past 3 years so is that a notable plus?

Quote:I mean, sure...but Blake leads the league in passes batted down by dline the past 3 years so is that a notable plus?

 

 Height hasn't help Blake Bortles for the most part this season.   Yet,  if Bortles is back with the Jaguars in 2017 and everything is done to try to help him get his playing career back on track,  height is going to be a major reason why Bortles will get another opportunity with the team.

Quote: Height hasn't help Blake Bortles for the most part this season.   Yet,  if Bortles is back with the Jaguars in 2017 and everything is done to try to help him get his playing career back on track,  height is going to be a major reason why Bortles will get another opportunity with the team.

This is just speculation, but I wonder if it could be construed as a negative if it is merely height by itself without feel. 

 

Brees and Russ Wilson are consistently among the bottom of the league in passes batted down because they have learned how to manipulate the pocket to find proper throwing lanes to see and also throw through. I would guess that skill is developed and also translates to pocket manipulation when it comes to the subtleties of moving in the pocket to avoid a pass rush since they are also two of the best at that.

 

Blake has shown some ability to avoid a rush, but also some mind numbing inability to sense when it is coming too. When he does avoid the rush it is always to escape the pocket and run or throw from outside the tackle box, never just a subtle sidestep or pocket climb and then delivering a pass. He doesn't know how to manipulate the pocket or throwing lanes. It could be that his height has always been a crutch that has hindered him from learning the nuances he needs at this level in that regard.