Quote:I don't see any real benefit to winning games other than to make a desperate fanbase happier. Losing games has not stopped any of the young guys such as Cyp from developing. I guess you can give the momentum argument, but you're still missing the playoffs, and will face an even longer offseason than the teams playing in the postseason.
Winning is what happens when young players such as Cyp develop, and I'm not sure it can be helped. And it doesn't just make the fanbase happier, it makes the players and coaches and everybody in the Jags organization happier.
Improving to the point where "winning takes care of itself" validates Gus' coaching philosophy and validates all of the work the players and coaches have put in to get better every day all year. It also reinforces all the work the team will put in during the off-season leading up to next year. There is nothing meaningless about these wins.
Yeah, I want that franchise quarterback too, but this team is doing everything it can to win games every week, and I'm not about to be disappointed in them when they accomplish that goal.
Quote:Or you could say the jags forced 3 turnovers and won the game. Turnovers are part of football and what good defenses strive to get.
It's probably a combination of both the Jaguars Defense forcing the turnovers and Brandon Weedon not making good decisions.
The key reason why I picked the Jaguars to beat the Browns on the road in this game was seeing Weeden not functioning well with decision making when under pressure earlier this season. Yet, it takes a Defense to get Weeden in adverse conditions, whether it's with pressure, coverage, or both.
Weeden seems to be the type of QB who would thrive under test tube/ ideal conditions. I saw a sample of this in the 2nd pre-season game this summer. Unfortunately for him, those conditions rarely exist throughout an NFL regular season game.
Quote:I was part of the tanking group. I wanted the #1 pick at all costs. I wanted us to go 0-16. But, now that I realize it, it doesn't matter where you draft. As long as you hit on your pick, it shouldn't matter where you draft. Pick #1 can be just as valuable as pick #3 if you hit on the pick. I enjoy winning, and hope we win out.
I trust Caldwell.
#1 and #3 are not the same. If there's a player that you feel strongly about and decides to draft at at #3, then you can certainly pick him at #1 without the risk of losing him to another team. #1 gives you full option to do what you want to do.
Quote:Lol at tankers finally realizing winning is a good thing.
Please answer my previous question: how does finishing 4-12 will be more beneficial for the team going into next season vs finishing 2-14?
Quote:Please answer my previous question: how does finishing 4-12 will be more beneficial for the team going into next season vs finishing 2-14?
It's reallly not that simple. You are not the onlly one who have this mindset. You say you want the first pick so the team can improve. The team is improving right now and are winning games. Isn't that what you want?
Quote:#1 and #3 are not the same. If there's a player that you feel strongly about and decides to draft at at #3, then you can certainly pick him at #1 without the risk of losing him to another team. #1 gives you full option to do what you want to do.
I think fans are much more attached to players than NFL front offices are.
Quote:No. You just assume getting the first pick guarantees improvement. Meanwhile, the team has won 3 of 4 and has actually improved. No assumptions needed.
Are you listening at all? A lost does not negate improvement, you seem to think it does.
Quote:Unfortunately, we can't win unless we draft Teddy first overall
does your sarcasm ease up when we become a good team? Don't get me wrong i enjoy it. Just wondering if your using it to avoid the pain.
Quote:Are you listening at all? A lost does not negate improvement, you seem to think it does.
Maybe I am just going out on a limb here.
But wouldn't a win mean the team has improved
more than if the team lost?
Its still possible for players to improve in some areas but still lose. We have the worst QB, maybe the worst interior o-line, and one of the worst pass rushes in the league. Those areas will be overhauled this offseason, and they are the main reason we are losing this year.
Quote:Its still possible for players to improve in some areas but still lose. We have the worst QB, maybe the worst interior o-line, and one of the worst pass rushes in the league. Those areas will be overhauled this offseason, and they are the main reason we are losing this year.
But wins show a higher level of improvement. Right?
Quote:#1 and #3 are not the same. If there's a player that you feel strongly about and decides to draft at at #3, then you can certainly pick him at #1 without the risk of losing him to another team. #1 gives you full option to do what you want to do.
Gene Smith made a (short) career out of the above philosophy ...
Quote:Maybe I am just going out on a limb here.
But wouldn't a win mean the team has improved more than if the team lost?
Not necessarily. If the Texans improved 3x as much as the last game and we only improved 2x as much since the last game, that could result in a Loss for the Jags but improvement for both teams.
On the other hand, if both teams got 2x worse then before, the Jags win but actually got worse during that period.
Therefore a win does not necessarily mean that we improved more.
Quote:Gene Smith made a (short) career out of the above philosophy ...
The point is that it gives them the full option to either take the player they are most comfortable with or trade down.
Quote:Gene Smith made a (short) career out of the above philosophy ...
I think the worst thing a GM can do is essentially marry himself to a player. As you mentioned, Smith did that alot with no regard for value or common sense.
I think a good GM thinks he can get a good player at 1, 3, 5, 10, wherever they are picking.
Quote:But wins show a higher level of improvement. Right?
It might show improvement in areas of the team that are going to be changed. Chad Henne is trash, but lets say he performs mediocre cause the Texans suck too. He throws 250 yards 1 td no interceptions. And we win because of that. I dont think that speaks to the improvement of the team as a whole, because hes going to be gone next year.
That being said all the young players are improving and im glad to see that, and hope it continues. I want the team to lose due to Chad Henne being horrible, so we have an easier time finding a replacement.
Quote:It might show improvement in areas of the team that are going to be changed. Chad Henne is trash, but lets say he performs mediocre cause the Texans suck too. He throws 250 yards 1 td no interceptions. And we win because of that. I dont think that speaks to the improvement of the team as a whole, because hes going to be gone next year.
That being said all the young players are improving and im glad to see that, and hope it continues. I want the team to lose due to Chad Henne being horrible, so we have an easier time finding a replacement.
If the team was winning because of MJD, Meester, Babin and guys who are not in the long terms plans I would agree. But just looking at the last few weeks, the improved play we have seen are from most of the rookies and young veterans like Branch, Hayes, Ball, Pasztor, Shorts and Harbor.
Henne clearly gives them a better chance to win but I think it is almost by default. Because Gabbert is bad that anybody would give them a better chance.
I'm surprised that no one has brought up the benefits of winning to the business of the Jacksonville Jaguars. While a handful of fans debate if it's better to win two or three games. or argue as to how many quarterbacks can dance on the head of a pin, there are thousands of people in Jacksonville who equate winning with success.
This team needs fans. Fans aren't going to buy into the argument that losing is really winning. Do you realize how many people out there, current or potential season ticket buyers, don't know who Teddy Bridgewater is? Do you realize how many people don't care where they draft, they just want to see the team win and get caught up in the excitement a winning team brings to a city.
At the time of the bye I was really dreading the Thursday night game. I was afraid the Jaguars would be 1-11, with the prospect of 30,00 people being at the game, and the team and city being open to the ridicule we've had to endure way too many times.
But guess what! Now I'm really looking forward to the game. A night game with a lot of energy and enthusiasm and an actual chance of winning. People are fired up and happy. For a 3-9 team that's all I can ask. And Shad Khan and the rest of us can have a smile on our face.
Agree with the above completely.
There is actually a little buzz for this game around town.
Quote:Agree with the above completely.
There is actually a little buzz for this game around town.
It's more than a little. From what i've been around people are PUMPED!!!!