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Quote:Manziel might be 5'11.

 

My guess is that he comes into the combine at 5'10'' - 5'11'' and 185 - 195 lbs.

 

Dude is small.

 

Ifedi vs Manziel

 

Look how much shorter he is than Ifedi -- who is listed at 6'5''

Quote:SPREAD OPTION, He runs the spread option, he is not a pro style qb. Mark Brunell came from the pro style system at Washington, you can't even compare the two. 

 

You guys really don't understand the gap between the two offenses, its night and day...That is why Gabbert has struggled, you take away his initial reads, he panics and holds the ball too long. The rest is history

Gabbert struggles because he's not a good quarterback and was drafted on the basis that he looks the part.

 

A good quarterback at the base can adjust and that's primarily why it's something that's generally overlooked on most draft boards. That's the difference between players like Blaine Gabbert and players like Cam Newton.

Quote:In the end, it comes down to whether he's a good QB or not, and people think he's a good QB, which is why he's so high on most mock drafts.

 

I don't think he'll be better than Bridgewater but you'd be a fool to write him off already. Manziel is incredibly talented and compensates very well for his height.

Pay attention to RG3 this year...Gabbert as well. With spread option qbs its not about beating their physical tangibles its about taking away their initial reads, forcing them to hold the ball while blitzing and containment in the pocket. It is difficult to transition to a pro style system unless you can observe from the bench. If Mariota and Manziel got a chance to sit for a year or two and watch and learn, he would be a beast. But as it is now, they are lambs led to slaughter. Defenses have figured out how to defend the read option, the nfl has said read option qbs are hittable. The future is not good for read option qbs. Adjustment takes time, time the jags or any other top 15 team doesnt have...

Quote:SPREAD OPTION, He runs the spread option, he is not a pro style qb. Mark Brunell came from the pro style system at Washington, you can't even compare the two. 

 

You guys really don't understand the gap between the two offenses, its night and day...That is why Gabbert has struggled, you take away his initial reads, he panics and holds the ball too long. The rest is history

 

Why can't the spread option work in the NFL?

I see ya'll hatin' 

Quote:Why can't the spread option work in the NFL?

Its called stack the box to limit the qb/rb run plays and play press coverage on the outside to limit the bubble screens and short routes. Have safeties over top to provide assistance for the long ball. Stopping traditional offense depends on how good the qb is, a spread option can be beat with a specific scheme such as the one I just mentioned.

Teddy

Teddy

Teddy

 

But if we dont get the number 1 pick, I think we go Clowney 

head: Teddy

heart: Manziel

gut: Clowney

Quote:In the end, it comes down to whether he's a good QB or not, and people think he's a good QB, which is why he's so high on most mock drafts.

 

I don't think he'll be better than Bridgewater but you'd be a fool to write him off already. Manziel is incredibly talented and compensates very well for his height.

 

Easy to do with a dominant offensive line and Mike Evans at your disposal. He's talented, yes, but I think his game will translate very poorly to the next level compared to Russell Wilson (the guy who the talking heads will bring up a thousands-plus times between January and April after Manziel declares).

 

Can't believe there are still Clowney proponents on this board.

Quote:Easy to do with a dominant offensive line and Mike Evans at your disposal. He's talented, yes, but I think his game will translate very poorly to the next level.

 

Can't believe there are still Clowney proponents on this board.

That is the thing that people also don't see, Mariota and Manziel play behind All American offensive lines. Impossible to get a consistent rush against them, that will change playing with the jags

Quote:Pay attention to RG3 this year...Gabbert as well. With spread option qbs its not about beating their physical tangibles its about taking away their initial reads, forcing them to hold the ball while blitzing and containment in the pocket. It is difficult to transition to a pro style system unless you can observe from the bench. If Mariota and Manziel got a chance to sit for a year or two and watch and learn, he would be a beast. But as it is now, they are lambs led to slaughter. Defenses have figured out how to defend the read option, the nfl has said read option qbs are hittable. The future is not good for read option qbs. Adjustment takes time, time the jags or any other top 15 team doesnt have...

 

Game. Set. Match. 

Quote:That is the thing that people also don't see, Mariota and Manziel play behind All American offensive lines. Impossible to get a consistent rush against them, that will change playing with the Jags.

 

We all know Johnny Manziel had the best left tackle in the country the last two years and have that guy now. But without being a TAMU fan, I don't know anything else about the Aggies.

Quote:Can't believe there are still Clowney proponents on this board.

 

Why not? The Jaguars can certainly upgrade one of the defensive end positions. If we miss out on Teddy Bridgewater, it might be a good idea to start with defense because of all the blowouts.

Quote:Mark Brunell is 6-1 and was a mobile quarterback until he tore two knee ligaments. You don't think he was pretty successful?

 

Johnny Manziel does not depend on his legs as much as Braxton Miller.

Once again, you prove just how clueless you really are.

Head: Teddy

Heart: Mariota

Gut: Teddy

 

 

Teddy is the right call at #1 for sure, but part of me is going to be disappointed when Mariota turns into a more well rounded and poised Kaepernick.

Quote:Who will be our first round pick?

 

Basically:

 

Head - Who we should draft.

Heart - Who you want us to draft.

Gut - Who you think we will draft.

 

H: Teddy

H: Teddy

G: Clowney

 

Teddy

Teddy

Teddy

 

 

I mean, it's obvious isn't it?

Quote:Once again, you prove just how clueless you really are.

 

How so? A completely clueless person would not know the information I provided.

Quote:Pay attention to RG3 this year...Gabbert as well. With spread option qbs its not about beating their physical tangibles its about taking away their initial reads, forcing them to hold the ball while blitzing and containment in the pocket. It is difficult to transition to a pro style system unless you can observe from the bench. If Mariota and Manziel got a chance to sit for a year or two and watch and learn, he would be a beast. But as it is now, they are lambs led to slaughter. Defenses have figured out how to defend the read option, the nfl has said read option qbs are hittable. The future is not good for read option qbs. Adjustment takes time, time the jags or any other top 15 team doesnt have...

 

When did this discussion go from "Why Manziel's draft stock is high" to "Why the read option won't work in the NFL"?

 

Also, the fundamentals of the quarterback position don't drastically change from a spread offense to a pro-style offense. Habits, maybe, but not fundamentals.

 

Which, again, is why offensive schemes are almost a non-issue to scouts when grading QBs.

Quote:Easy to do with a dominant offensive line and Mike Evans at your disposal. He's talented, yes, but I think his game will translate very poorly to the next level compared to Russell Wilson (the guy who the talking heads will bring up a thousands-plus times between January and April after Manziel declares).

 

Can't believe there are still Clowney proponents on this board.

 

Pretty difficult to argue against the ol' "he's good because of these guys" argument.

 

We'll see when he gets here.

 

As for Clowney, like someone stated in another thread, him being doubled all year is EXACTLY why people love him. Double teaming him in the NFL would only result in other players succeeding around him and the prospect of having one defensive player so dominant that he makes players around him good is an interesting prospect.

 

Of course, it's not all guaranteed, but there's the chance, and that's sort of the NFL draft in a nutshell.

Quote:Head: Teddy

Heart: Mariota

Gut: Teddy

 

 

Teddy is the right call at #1 for sure, but part of me is going to be disappointed when Mariota turns into a more well rounded and poised Kaepernick.

 

 

I wouldn't worry. I know young kids like you are easily swayed by the morons on ESPN and other sites that are artificially overhyping Mariota so they can get the RG3/Luck drama flowing, but he's not even close.

 

You're heart needs to be looked at by a medical doctor.