11-29-2016, 11:07 PM
11-29-2016, 11:34 PM
Some Quick Hits about Bortles
-Bortles Regression this year might just be to our benefit if he does get it together, when it comes time to resign him it'll most likely drive down the price tag.
-He said coming out of college he preferred to be coached "hard" that's clearly not what he's had to this point in his career.
-Blake had a hand injury in the offseason that not only kept him from accepting the pro-bowl alternate invitation, but also kept him out of action for 6-8 weeks while it healed meaning he couldnt spend the most important downtime refining his throwing motion, it also didn't help that once it healed he opted to only spend a few days in california working with House and Dedeaux on his motion/mechanics rather than the weeks/months he spent out there the season before to marked improvement (he chose to stay in Duval and practice throwing to his receivers to develop more chemistry instead, but i trust that this offseason he'll decide against it or opt to bring them with him to Cali)
-After his first season, he stated that his arm "deteriorated" from the non-stop action of throwing from college, all throughout the pre-draft process and straight into TC and the season. It's possible that based on the sheer volume of throws we ask of him each week coupled with the beating he takes behind this porous O-Line that his arm is shot or otherwise injured.
-Playcalling hasn't been good, I'll admit Hackett's been better though. Fisch forcing him to throw screen after screen his rookie year made me groan as it's clearly not his forte, they also need to remove the shallow crosser to Lee from the playbook, everytime its off of Lee's hands/body (since he bodycatches a lot) into the air and in the defenders arms, ditto for the quick out that Blake stares down which has accounted for the Texans pick 6, The pick 6 to josh norman in the opener of 2014 etc. i've seen it too many times and cringe everytime i see it to start a play >_<.
-We need to call plays that cater to Bortles strengths, while his mechanics look shoddy in the pocket, he's somehow the #1 accurate quarterback in the NFL while rolling out of the pocket, not sure why it works but dont question it and call more of that, it just seems so obvious.
We haven't been doing him any favors, aside from the refs, Hurns dropping wide open passes (especially at key times), stranger things esque interceptions off players feet when trying to turf the ball etc. Robinson not winning 50/50 balls as regularly and drops a bit too, utter lack of a running game, porous Offensive line that can hardly block. I'd be frustrated too as a young player that when you do play well everything else around you breaks down. I feel for him but he does still need to play better, with better coaching comes a better playbook for him and an offseason to get healthy and refine his motion again, he's proven he can do it lets just see him show some consistency.
-Bortles Regression this year might just be to our benefit if he does get it together, when it comes time to resign him it'll most likely drive down the price tag.
-He said coming out of college he preferred to be coached "hard" that's clearly not what he's had to this point in his career.
-Blake had a hand injury in the offseason that not only kept him from accepting the pro-bowl alternate invitation, but also kept him out of action for 6-8 weeks while it healed meaning he couldnt spend the most important downtime refining his throwing motion, it also didn't help that once it healed he opted to only spend a few days in california working with House and Dedeaux on his motion/mechanics rather than the weeks/months he spent out there the season before to marked improvement (he chose to stay in Duval and practice throwing to his receivers to develop more chemistry instead, but i trust that this offseason he'll decide against it or opt to bring them with him to Cali)
-After his first season, he stated that his arm "deteriorated" from the non-stop action of throwing from college, all throughout the pre-draft process and straight into TC and the season. It's possible that based on the sheer volume of throws we ask of him each week coupled with the beating he takes behind this porous O-Line that his arm is shot or otherwise injured.
-Playcalling hasn't been good, I'll admit Hackett's been better though. Fisch forcing him to throw screen after screen his rookie year made me groan as it's clearly not his forte, they also need to remove the shallow crosser to Lee from the playbook, everytime its off of Lee's hands/body (since he bodycatches a lot) into the air and in the defenders arms, ditto for the quick out that Blake stares down which has accounted for the Texans pick 6, The pick 6 to josh norman in the opener of 2014 etc. i've seen it too many times and cringe everytime i see it to start a play >_<.
-We need to call plays that cater to Bortles strengths, while his mechanics look shoddy in the pocket, he's somehow the #1 accurate quarterback in the NFL while rolling out of the pocket, not sure why it works but dont question it and call more of that, it just seems so obvious.
We haven't been doing him any favors, aside from the refs, Hurns dropping wide open passes (especially at key times), stranger things esque interceptions off players feet when trying to turf the ball etc. Robinson not winning 50/50 balls as regularly and drops a bit too, utter lack of a running game, porous Offensive line that can hardly block. I'd be frustrated too as a young player that when you do play well everything else around you breaks down. I feel for him but he does still need to play better, with better coaching comes a better playbook for him and an offseason to get healthy and refine his motion again, he's proven he can do it lets just see him show some consistency.
11-30-2016, 03:09 AM
Blake is done. He averages 2 TDS during garbage time each game.
This is a playoff caliber team with a QB that can make all the throws.
This is a playoff caliber team with a QB that can make all the throws.
11-30-2016, 06:21 AM
Bortles Bortles Bortles Bortles Bortles Bortles Bortles Bortles Bortles.
11-30-2016, 08:09 AM
Quote:Some people may not remember this, but Tom Brady wasn't exactly a prolific passer numbers-wise early in his career. He was just a clutch player when it was needed (which was the thing that made him really good).people seem to forget that until he got moss he only hit over 25 once an now goes 30+ every year
When he was young, and the Pats won 3 SBs in 4 years, the Pats had a really good running game and a very good defense that they relied on in those years. Brady made clutch plays when he had to. But, they weren't winning because he was flinging the ball all over the place each game.
11-30-2016, 08:16 AM
My biggest problem with this idea and your pretty little numbers is how you BLATANTLY disregard the fact that he's been the turnover king at the quarterback position since 2014. What good is he doing this football team by throwing for gaudy numbers when he's literally taking two steps forward and three or four huge leaps backwards? His numbers trend in the opposite direction as well. Those other guys you listed throw the majority of their numbers and overall production in the first halves of football games. They don't put their teams in terrible situations by gifting them fumbles, interceptions and interceptions that go all the way back for a TD. Nice try though.
11-30-2016, 08:44 AM
Quote:I fell asleep at "I think". Most confident people don't "think", they "know". You just have a low self esteem and bring NOTHING to this forum. Go ahead and create an intelligent thread, I challenge you to use your useless intelligence and high school dropout IQ.
Damn dude. That's the best you got. Ouchie...my feelings are hurt. You want a hanky?
11-30-2016, 08:52 AM
Quote:You want a hanky?
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11-30-2016, 09:19 AM
Quote:I'm not saying the Jaguars are the worst rushing team in the league, but if you take out Blake's runs the yards per rush go down dramatically. If your point is Blake is bad then you really need to find another argument than "the Jaguars rushing game is fine," because it's not.
They are not good either way.
11-30-2016, 09:30 AM
I like Bortles but his delivery motion scares me a little bit. He needs to work on his mechanics this offseason because he has definitely regressed this year. He doesn't make good decisions either. I wonder how good he can be with better coaching.
Looking back at his td stats last year, he didn't have that many garbage time tds, even though it felt like it. In all the games that were out of hand in 2015, he scored a combined 6 tds in the last 5 mins of those games.
Looking back at his td stats last year, he didn't have that many garbage time tds, even though it felt like it. In all the games that were out of hand in 2015, he scored a combined 6 tds in the last 5 mins of those games.
12-01-2016, 08:08 AM
Quote:My biggest problem with this idea and your pretty little numbers is how you BLATANTLY disregard the fact that he's been the turnover king at the quarterback position since 2014. What good is he doing this football team by throwing for gaudy numbers when he's literally taking two steps forward and three or four huge leaps backwards? His numbers trend in the opposite direction as well. Those other guys you listed throw the majority of their numbers and overall production in the first halves of football games. They don't put their teams in terrible situations by gifting them fumbles, interceptions and interceptions that go all the way back for a TD. Nice try though.I'd give manning the crown for turnover king in the last lets say six years he lead the league in picks at least twice oswieler an old fitz lead it now maybe pick six king but not TO king
12-01-2016, 08:45 AM
Quote:I'd give manning the crown for turnover king in the last lets say six years he lead the league in picks at least twice oswieler an old fitz lead it now maybe pick six king but not TO king
Okay. So, again, you're comparing a 3rd overall pick to a guy that's already won two superbowls at the QB position and has his team at a 7 - 3 or 8 - 3 record. And you're comparing him to two other quarterbacks. Fitzpatrick, a journeyman QB at best that was a former 7th round selection for a reason. And then Osweiler, a former 2nd round pick who has just 14 NFL career starts who also has his team in a much better position than Bortles' has ours.
12-01-2016, 09:04 AM
Quote:Okay. So, again, you're comparing a 3rd overall pick to a guy that's already won two superbowls at the QB position and has his team at a 7 - 3 or 8 - 3 record. And you're comparing him to two other quarterbacks. Fitzpatrick, a journeyman QB at best that was a former 7th round selection for a reason. And then Osweiler, a former 2nd round pick who has just 14 NFL career starts who also has his team in a much better position than Bortles' has ours.no not comparing him to any just sayin if u look at the season's he lead the league in picks manning teams weren't 8-3 an really just pointing to the fact that they're people who have thrown more this year an he's never lead the league in picks so to call him the turn over king is a little dumb but whatever he sure can throw some pick sixes tho
12-01-2016, 09:06 AM
Eli consistently hovers the top five in the turnover category is the only reason I brought him up he has lead the league multiple times in picks
12-01-2016, 09:07 AM
Quote:no not comparing him to any just sayin if u look at the season's he lead the league in picks manning teams weren't 8-3 an really just pointing to the fact that they're people who have thrown more this year an he's never lead the league in picks so to call him the turn over king is a little dumb but whatever he sure can throw some pick sixes tho
It's not dumb. It's a factual statement. Since 2014 he's the league leader in turnovers between fumbles being lost, interceptions being thrown and he's also thrown ten pick six's as well since 2014. And he's coming off his 40th career NFL start. I just think it's hilarious that fans like you are "okay" with that or actually try to deflect the fact that he's a terrible quarterback and cannot be trusted to protect the football. The elite quarterbacks don't make those mistakes. To put that into perspective. Mariota has thrown 30+ TDs in the redzone with 0 INT's since his career started and he has 24 NFL career starts.....
12-01-2016, 09:55 AM
Quote:It's not dumb. It's a factual statement. Since 2014 he's the league leader in turnovers between fumbles being lost, interceptions being thrown and he's also thrown ten pick six's as well since 2014. And he's coming off his 40th career NFL start. I just think it's hilarious that fans like you are "okay" with that or actually try to deflect the fact that he's a terrible quarterback and cannot be trusted to protect the football. The elite quarterbacks don't make those mistakes. To put that into perspective. Mariota has thrown 30+ TDs in the redzone with 0 INT's since his career started and he has 24 NFL career starts.....stats from year player was drafted r a lil sketchy did u know Arob has the most receiving tds by wrs since entering the league(Odell is 2) elite qbs do make those mistakes example Eli manning I wasn't say in ur opinion was dumb or anything just say in I want better just like you an every one else but I'm not gonna throw in the dumpster fire that is chad henne or sign Romo or any other new thread u wanna start Romo couldn't stay healthy behind that godly oline do people not realize what would happen here he didn't even last a series i wasn't tryna say he wasn't play in like garbage it's just where's all these options people seem to think we have we have a back up who was basically the back up qb to a rb in miami only option we have is Allen
12-01-2016, 10:04 AM
But to call him the turn over king is dumb maybe the turn over king of his draft but there r 100s of qbs who have thrown more picks than him for sure more pick 6s idk but since entering the league Eli manning has the most turnovers than any qb in the league see I can do it too
12-01-2016, 10:09 AM
It's fans like me naw it's fans like you lol I whine about real problems bro namath u make real jags fans look weak sucka chin up well win one day
12-01-2016, 10:12 AM
Quote:It's fans like me naw it's fans like you lol I whine about real problems bro namath u make real jags fans look weak sucka chin up well win one dayEnglish. It's hard.
12-01-2016, 10:13 AM
Quote:English. It's hard.lol it'll never change brother man ur just beatin a dead horse