Quote:1 pick six doesn't change the fact that he will be the highest paid MLB in the NFL next year, and is a liability in coverage.
There were some people who wanted to trade Blackmon. You can't tell me there weren't because I remember the exact thread. It was days after he made his suspension public.
I think his salary will be the only thing that is the problem. I know everybody uses the "he's a liability in coverage" argument against him but IMO its a non issue. Through six games he has 7 passes defended along with his pick six today. If Bradley gets the defensive talent to where he wants and gets to play his style of D then Posluszny will look even better.
I'd trade Poz for a 6th rounder. I'm at the point where I'd do the same with MJD. These are guys who I can't see with the team past this year so we should get what we can now, and if anything spend what were spending on them on upgrades or equally skilled players in FA again next off-season.
Wouldn't trade Blackmon for a 1st rounder though. Too long it took us to find a guy like him, he's worth about 5 normal jaguar 1st rounders.
Poz is probably my favorite player on the roster along with Allen are our two most reliable players
If he would renegotiate his contract I would keep poz he is a tackle machine that rarely misses but he struggles to shed blocks and is often too slow to the point of attack
I still think it would take a first or second to replace him and we need those picks for the QB and the trenches with us needing to gut the oline though we have looked better and patzor or Bradfield looks like he could hold the Rt spot meaning it's just center and guards need replacing
whilst we need a pass rushing De and a few more big bodies on the d line all of which are more urgent than poz
If he would renegotiate I'd keep him if not I`d shop him for minimum of a 3rd
Quote:I think his salary will be the only thing that is the problem. I know everybody uses the "he's a liability in coverage" argument against him but IMO its a non issue. Through six games he has 7 passes defended along with his pick six today. If Bradley gets the defensive talent to where he wants and gets to play his style of D then Posluszny will look even better.
I agree with the liability in coverage thing being over blown. When it comes to his salary,It's not my money, and his salary isn't exactly cap prohibitive. Now that Monroe is gone we have no one to extend, and tons of cap space.
Quote:I think his salary will be the only thing that is the problem. I know everybody uses the "he's a liability in coverage" argument against him but IMO its a non issue. Through six games he has 7 passes defended along with his pick six today. If Bradley gets the defensive talent to where he wants and gets to play his style of D then Posluszny will look even better.
Him being a liability in coverage is an issue. How is it not? We are consistently gashed. Some of it is because of Posluszny.
I remember many saying I was crazy when said he was better then Green and Jones in college. Which is true.
Then laughed at again when said Blackmon was a difference maker. And the closest thing to Jsmooth we have had. Laughed at again.
And half the normal posters said Blackmon was a head case and trade him as well. I said he won't mess up again. He lost 10 million dollars. And be crazy to trade him.
And those saying Shorts was better thanks for the laugh.
Quote:Poz is probably my favorite player on the roster along with Allen are our two most reliable players
If he would renegotiate his contract I would keep poz he is a tackle machine that rarely misses but he struggles to shed blocks and is often too slow to the point of attack
I still think it would take a first or second to replace him and we need those picks for the QB and the trenches with us needing to gut the oline though we have looked better and patzor or Bradfield looks like he could hold the Rt spot meaning it's just center and guards need replacing
whilst we need a pass rushing De and a few more big bodies on the d line all of which are more urgent than poz
If he would renegotiate I'd keep him if not I`d shop him for minimum of a 3rd
you may be one of the only people ive heard say allen is one their favorite and im not slamming you in any way over that.... i actually think its quite an original choice.... but i do think its a little naive to think we could get a 1st round for really any player on our roster... even blackmon would probably only pull a 2nd or 3rd rounder at this point.... heck monroe was one of our best players and we only got a couple of Saturday picks for him.
Lay off of Poz. Through him an actual pass rush. And watch how much better he does. That was awesome his td. Can't wait till next weekend in stadium for the game.
I'd trade Poz for a 2nd rounder today and I'd take a high first for Blackmon.
Nothing against Blackmon, he's playing better than I thought he possibly could, but with a year's suspension hanging over our head like a Sword of Damocles I'd trade him if the value were good. The risk with him is just so high for a team that's trying to build a stable future.
Quote:you may be one of the only people ive heard say allen is one their favorite and im not slamming you in any way over that.... i actually think its quite an original choice.... but i do think its a little naive to think we could get a 1st round for really any player on our roster... even blackmon would probably only pull a 2nd or 3rd rounder at this point.... heck monroe was one of our best players and we only got a couple of Saturday picks for him.
Think there's some confusion with what I said, i think it would take a first or second round pick to upgrade the mlb position with a younger player.
I don't think he would fetch a first but I don't see the point of trading him for less than a 3rd unless you have a ready made replacement (as we did with joeckel in the monroe trade) and laroy reynolds doesn't seem to be beating out hayes so i doubt he can beat out poz.
Especially considering the state of our defense which is young and new ,having a fixture in the middle of the park commanding the d (especially with lowery injured and likely to be cut) and rookies and new faces galore in the secondary, poz being there with his experience and reliability can only help their integration so I don't see the use in trading him unless we are getting an offer we can't refuse, which to me is a third up.
Added though I agree he is overpayed he is one of the lone positions of current strength par marks in our defense. There is lots of potential but very little actual proven talent (i am going off marks's latest perfomances which have been top)
If we have cap issues a different story but we are bathing in cap space so holding onto him until we have upgraded the front 4 and the secondary are settled and fully integrated seems like a good idea to me.
As for allen, i like the reliable players, the guy that does his job day in day out. You get players like shorts or blackmon who will have great days or great plays, then you wont hear about them for a few weeks or make a key drop on third or in the redzone which he should have taken in. Allen is very good in coverage and does well against the run, you never really hear about him blowing coverage or missing his lane and come to think of it, teams rarely get big gains round the right edge with him and alualu, He goes out there, fits really well into this defense and does his job, i like that.
Quote:I'd trade Poz for a 2nd rounder today and I'd take a high first for Blackmon.
Nothing against Blackmon, he's playing better than I thought he possibly could, but with a year's suspension hanging over our head like a Sword of Damocles I'd trade him if the value were good. The risk with him is just so high for a team that's trying to build a stable future.
^^^^^ bam... to all those people who said the"trade blackmon" crowd didnt exist.... im pretty sure this guy was one of them.... of course, this is the also the guy who calls BG better than henne and refuses to let any actual game footage cloud that distorted perspective while claiming anyone who doesnt see it his way to have henne bias glasses on.... but point is, the tools of our fanbase are certainly alive and kickin as they were when blackmon's incident first happen..... every player has possible consequences looming over their head... if any player falls on their leg wrong they will be out just as long as blackmon would be for lighting up another joint.... like it or not thats the reality.
Lol to those that somehow forget the several topics made about trading Blackmon. The only way we part with this kid is if he gets suspended for a year, or his contract runs out and he decides to get mega money on a better team. Hopefully were in the position to keep his interest when that time comes.
Quote:Lay off of Poz. Through him an actual pass rush. And watch how much better he does. That was awesome his td. Can't wait till next weekend in stadium for the game.
What in the Yodaspeak are you talking about? :p
Uhhh, guys, what happened to "don't get rid of talent until you have a proper replacement"? If we continuously try to trade any player who seems to be even slightly good, we'll never get away from being 0-16. Seriously, unless we're starving for cap room or have a replacement why would you trade Poz? He's easily our best LB and isn't even 30 yet.
The solution to getting good isn't trading away everyone that is even slightly good.
Quote:Uhhh, guys, what happened to "don't get rid of talent until you have a proper replacement"? If we continuously try to trade any player who seems to be even slightly good, we'll never get away from being 0-16. Seriously, unless we're starving for cap room or have a replacement why would you trade Poz? He's easily our best LB and isn't even 30 yet.
The solution to getting good isn't trading away everyone that is even slightly good.
your not trading him away just to trade him away... your sticking to the idea of gathering picks for more players like josh evans to come in for a fraction of the price and offer a long term solution to a position.... he played pretty good yesterday btw, liked his enthusiasm.
Never understood the point on trading reliability for the next big thing. Even Baseball players know how valuable a utility player is.
Quote:your not trading him away just to trade him away... your sticking to the idea of gathering picks for more players like josh evans to come in for a fraction of the price and offer a long term solution to a position.... he played pretty good yesterday btw, liked his enthusiasm.
People are suggesting taking a 6th or 7th rounder for him. Do you honestly believe that we will get Poz level production from a 6th or 7th round player?
Quote:People are suggesting taking a 6th or 7th rounder for him. Do you honestly believe that we will get Poz level production from a 6th or 7th round player?
Maybe not in the6th or 7th... But you don't think we can get someone who can be as productive for less than 10 mil next year outta fa?. The picks can be used on other positions cause I will give you that is hard to draft a late round good lb.
Quote:Maybe not in the6th or 7th... But you don't think we can get someone who can be as productive for less than 10 mil next year outta fa?. The picks can be used on other positions cause I will give you that is hard to draft a late round good lb.
Start by looking at who will be available in FA. Then consider how much you may have to overpay to bring him here. By the end of the day you may end up with a lesser LB at around the same salary.
The right way to do it would be thru the draft. But as you said its hard to find good LBs in the later rounds. It may take a earlier pick.
This is all just theory:
But say Blackmon has a similar game against the Chargers this weekend. How much do you think he's worth and what would a team desperate for a WR be willing to give?
TBH I can't think of a team that wants to win now and is that desperate other than the Pats.