Quote:True. And if Joeckel or Cyprien turn out to be a bust - then we'll have a complaint. Here's hoping they take a pass rusher in the 2nd round next year.
I'd take a pass rush anyway we can get it, be it changing schemes, drafting or free agents. I think our biggest problems are a 1A and 2A problem with the QB and Pass Rush. Both are almost equally important for us to get anywhere.
Quote:I wouldn't say we focused on defense this offseason really. If anything there was more balance (more so than in most years with Gene's Myth)
But some of the points can be attributed to Gabbert becoming an interception machine. Through 5 games last year, he threw 3 interceptions. Through 5 games this year he's thrown 7. And he didn't even play in two of those games!
I'd say our Defense is about equal to last year's. A little worse stat wise. I think in the long run we'll see an improvement because of the choices made. I don't think our Defense would be doing much better with Derek Cox and Pot Roast. Maybe Darryl Smith (But he wasn't part of last year's defense very much).
Next week is the scary week.
You almost have to throw next week out when looking at stats, unless they just come out and catch everyone off guard that game will be so lopsided it would be useless to evaluate. That said the Chicago game last year was a lot like I expect next weeks game to be.
Quote:Why so much anger man? stop assuming things it's not getting you anywhere, we can't discuss what they might or might not do only what they have done. Also try and avoid those naughty words it's a quick exit and the last thing we need is more members banned because they can't have a conversation without getting vulgar.
As if I care. These forums are plagued by Jagwhyers and Tebowstans. It's pretty clear what they have done-somehow, Caldwell miraculously got rid of some of the best veterans on this team, and STILL put a halfway decent compliment of rookies and cheap free agents on the field in a year that doesn't matter. You should be bowing and worshipping him.
Quote:I wouldn't say we focused on defense this offseason really. If anything there was more balance (more so than in most years with Gene's Myth)
But some of the points can be attributed to Gabbert becoming an interception machine. Through 5 games last year, he threw 3 interceptions. Through 5 games this year he's thrown 7. And he didn't even play in two of those games!
I'd say our Defense is about equal to last year's. A little worse stat wise. I think in the long run we'll see an improvement because of the choices made. I don't think our Defense would be doing much better with Derek Cox and Pot Roast. Maybe Darryl Smith (But he wasn't part of last year's defense very much).
Next week is the scary week.
Also agree Gabbert is worse then ever, figured it would take the year to evaluate him one last time but 3 games in I don't see how he could turn it around. Short of a movie making ending he's done.
Quote:As if I care. These forums are plagued by Jagwhyers and Tebowstans. It's pretty clear what they have done-somehow, Caldwell miraculously got rid of some of the best veterans on this team, and STILL put a halfway decent compliment of rookies and cheap free agents on the field in a year that doesn't matter. You should be bowing and worshipping him.
Mrs Caldwell is that you?
"Gratz will bust! Cyp is a bust! Who is Josh Evans? I can't spell Sedrreieckzick marks!"
It's a work in progress. Jesus Christ. No there isn't a pass rush, yes I'm sure it's on Gus and Dave's mind. Stop acting like we had a horrible draft.
Good analysis! Sounds like Caldwell ought to be in the computer world: making complications with things that do not need tinkering.
Cheers
Quote:You almost have to throw next week out when looking at stats, unless they just come out and catch everyone off guard that game will be so lopsided it would be useless to evaluate. That said the Chicago game last year was a lot like I expect next weeks game to be.
To be fair, the Chicago game last year we held them to 3 in the first half.
If we hold the Broncos to 3 for the first
quarter I will crown this defense as exceptional.
Quote:"Gratz will bust! Cyp is a bust! Who is Josh Evans? I can't spell Sedrreieckzick marks!"
It's a work in progress. Jesus Christ. No there isn't a pass rush, yes I'm sure it's on Gus and Dave's mind. Stop acting like we had a horrible draft.
When have I ever said the draft was bad? I've been critical of free agent movements more then anything.
Quote:To be fair, the Chicago game last year we held them to 3 in the first half.
If we hold the Broncos to 3 for the first quarter I will crown this defense as exceptional.
We hold the Broncos to 3 points in the 1st quarter I'll be thrilled
Quote:"Gratz will bust! Cyp is a bust! Who is Josh Evans? I can't spell Sedrreieckzick marks!"
It's a work in progress. Jesus Christ. No there isn't a pass rush, yes I'm sure it's on Gus and Dave's mind. Stop acting like we had a horrible draft.
Can someone have an opinion with out being blasted? Can someone speak their mind without being blasted? Take it easy.Oh and you can look up Marks name on the main site on the link "Team" here is a link to help you next time.......
http://www.jaguars.com/team/roster.html
I'm sure we all know it is a work in progress EricC85 is just explaining how the defense isn't playing well either even with the attention the defense received this off season. We are looking for some sort of consistent play from one of the units on the team. There isn't one. That's all he is trying to say.
Quote:Can someone have an opinion with out being blasted? Can someone speak their mind without being blasted? Take it easy.Oh and you can look up Marks name on the main site on the link "Team" here is a link to help you next time.......http://www.jaguars.com/team/roster.html
I'm sure we all know it is a work in progress EricC85 is just explaining how the defense isn't playing well either even with the attention the defense received this off season. We are looking for some sort of consistent play from one of the units on the team. There isn't one. That's all he is trying to say.
The attention the defense received. I'm guessing that you don't know how a rebuild works, either. The attention they received came through the draft. The "attention" it received involved letting go of some veterans.
If you expected consistency from a defense that is playing a ton of rookies...well, you don't know much about football and you should probably talk to your wife before posting on the forum.
Quote:The attention the defense received. I'm guessing that you don't know how a rebuild works, either. The attention they received came through the draft. The "attention" it received involved letting go of some veterans.
If you expected consistency from a defense that is playing a ton of rookies...well, you don't know much about football and you should probably talk to your wife before posting on the forum.
Geno Hayes, Will Blackmon, Sendrick Marks, Roy Miller are all starters on defense and not a single one was drafted..........When discussing the defense we are discussing the entire unit, try and keep up.
Quote:Geno Hayes, Will Blackmon, Sendrick Marks, Roy Miller are all starters on defense and not a single one was drafted..........When discussing the defense we are discussing the entire unit, try and keep up.
"A ton." Not the entire defense. Try to use your imagination.
Here's where you're not smart: You asked, "Is the defense really better?" The answer is no. It's not. It's not getting worse, though. It's got a lot of young potential with promising rookies from all over the draft. This was obviously (well, maybe not obviously for you) a draft to lay the groundwork for a new defense, not a draft to supplement a defense that just needed a couple more pieces.
Quote:"A ton." Not the entire defense. Try to use your imagination.
Here's where you're not smart: You asked, "Is the defense really better?" The answer is no. It's not. It's not getting worse, though. It's got a lot of young potential with promising rookies from all over the draft. This was obviously (well, maybe not obviously for you) a draft to lay the groundwork for a new defense, not a draft to supplement a defense that just needed a couple more pieces.
2 pages in and now we can have a conversation.
I welcome your point and without questioning your intelligence would counter your point with the following;
to rebuild this franchise do you not agree we would've been better served to plug holes on the defensive side and address the glaring issues on offensive side of the ball or even the pass rush?
What is the point of replacing players to stay the same, I'd argue these player where replaced with the belief the defensive side of the ball would improve not get worse or stay the course. Are you suggesting players like Evans, Hayes, Marks, Miller are to be center pieces of this new defense we are building? How is it not a spoiled offseason if everything we did was to equal the same production as last year?
Let's ask this question If we spend next year drafting a QB (any QB doesn't matter who at this point) and we get some young RB a few linemen and the offense has the same production as this group is it progress?
Progress is marked by results, not the changing of personal or the promise of future results, and as of today we have no progress, this is of concern to me.
Quote:Also look at the scoring we've allowed 163 points in 5 games that's an average of 32.6 points per game.
Last year into 5 games we allowed 138 points in 5 games for an average of 27.6 points per game. On the season we only averaged 27.75 points per game.
Again I don't see the improvement, and we spent an entire offseason on this side of the ball?
I thought they were getting a little better. But then I watched today. They played terrible today.
As for your average points given up a game stat. I will add this...
Gabbert has thrown 3 pick sixes this season. That doesn't help the pts given up stat.
Quote:I thought they were getting a little better. But then I watched today. They played terrible today.
As for your average points given up a game stat. I will add this...
Gabbert has thrown 3 pick sixes this season. That doesn't help the pts given up stat.
That's fair, Gabbert being bad has to account for some of the trouble on the defensive side of the ball. I will admit the QB play this year has been worse then I can ever remember, I'm actually missing Luck McClown.
I don't agree. You speak of "plugging holes" like you're Gene Smith or Mike Mularkey and we're only a few moves away.
The defense was awful. There was no talent there. The one guy I agree with you on is Daryl Smith, but he was hurt and there was no telling how he'd play when he came back, and if he was worth a big contract.
Cox was always hurt. I don't watch many Chargers games, so this may be hearsay, but I've heard he's not even playing that well.
Knighton was overrated and Marks is already playing at the same caliber.
Evans? Maybe he'll be a diamond in the rough. Maybe Miller and Hayes and Marks are pieces to the puzzle, but the centerpieces are the high draft picks-guys like Cyprien and Gratz.
The offense is much more complete than the defense. While there was nobody worth keeping on the defense, on the offense we have the left tackle in Joeckel, we'll rebuild the rest of the offensive line, and have the talent at QB. Blackmon and Shorts have already shown that they're talented. It's also much easier to fix an offense with one or two skill players, compared to the defense.
Quote:I don't agree. You speak of "plugging holes" like you're Gene Smith or Mike Mularkey and we're only a few moves away.
The defense was awful. There was no talent there. The one guy I agree with you on is Daryl Smith, but he was hurt and there was no telling how he'd play when he came back, and if he was worth a big contract.
Cox was always hurt. I don't watch many Chargers games, so this may be hearsay, but I've heard he's not even playing that well.
Knighton was overrated and Marks is already playing at the same caliber.
Evans? Maybe he'll be a diamond in the rough. Maybe Miller and Hayes and Marks are pieces to the puzzle, but the centerpieces are the high draft picks-guys like Cyprien and Gratz.
The offense is much more complete than the defense. While there was nobody worth keeping on the defense, on the offense we have the left tackle in Joeckel, we'll rebuild the rest of the offensive line, and have the talent at QB. Blackmon and Shorts have already shown that they're talented. It's also much easier to fix an offense with one or two skill players, compared to the defense.
We can just agree to disagree here. We have dire needs at RG, C, LG, now (RT), RB, TE, QB that's at least 5 possibly 7 starters we need on that side of the ball alone. Just about the ONLY position we seem ok at is WR and that's after drafting 4 WR in the last 3 drafts so even calling that position ok is risky.
Needs at RG, C, LG, RT, RB, and TE can be taken care of in the 2nd and 3rd days of the draft. Which, gasp, may be why David Caldwell is racking up picks later in the draft?
I don't expect us to instantly upgrade them all in one year, either. So when we aren't Peyton Manning's Broncos next year, don't come back saying I TOLD YOU SO.