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Did you listen to Tomlin's post game comments? He said they suck and those that do not get better will not be on the team. A very different mentality then we have here.
I'm not sure about this point. The roster turnover here from last year to now suggests otherwise.
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And, just in general and directed at no one in particular, it seems there's a pretty obvious consensus that Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne aren't worth their salt and simply shouldn't be starting in the NFL. I find it really difficult to jump on the "Bradley's Seat Should Be Heating Up" Train because of the mind-numbing state the roster was in even before he arrived.
Perhaps idealistic, but I don't think Bradley or Caldwell should have to go down on the Gabbert/Henne ship.
A second point -- to those suggesting the Jaguars MUST tank the season to get Teddy (and, yes, there are some of you), how can you possibly then turn around and say you'd find it hard to keep Bradley for going 0-16?
Quote:Bradley and Caldwell have absolutely zero pressure on their shoulders and it shows. They have 2 years to fail as hard as they can. In case my fellow Jag fans have not figured it out we are tanking, the process has already begun.
I have so much respect for the 60K Jag fans that show up to Everbank week in and week out knowing we are going to get slaughtered without a single play to drool on or over-hype for future hope.
I respect Khan dividing business and football decisions but would like to see a little less cheerleading and defending of poor play and a little more authoritative leadership.
Did you listen to Tomlin's post game comments? He said they suck and those that do not get better will not be on the team. A very different mentality then we have here.
That is because the window is closing on Tomlin and that crew. They are the 2001 Jaguars. This is their last shot and it is slipping away. They are about to go into a total rebuild as well. They've skirted the salary cap for a couple of years and have held on to some guys for a little too long and have lost other guys due to lack of cap space. Tomlin is desperate.
Bradley will not be on the hot seat for at least 3 years. With that said, his current blind support of Gabbert will wear thin sooner rather than later. I realize he his just trying to give the guy a little confidence. i realize that there is not anybody available to replace him who is a whole lot better. I even realize that this organization was willing to write this season off from the very beginning in order to try to get a franchise QB next year.
None of that makes it suck any less and none of that makes hearing Bradley sing the praises of an obvious bust pick any easier.
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A second point -- to those suggesting the Jaguars MUST tank the season to get Teddy (and, yes, there are some of you), how can you possibly then turn around and say you'd find it hard to keep Bradley for going 0-16?
Because they don't want Bradley (even if they wanted him
before they didn't want him) because he's a Defensive Coach, and the 30 other teams in the NFL that hired coaches last year all hired offensive guys.
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A second point -- to those suggesting the Jaguars MUST tank the season to get Teddy (and, yes, there are some of you), how can you possibly then turn around and say you'd find it hard to keep Bradley for going 0-16?
I think you already know the answer.
If I were in the Jaguars ownership position, I would stay the course with the current regime unless it's almost certain that they are on a path of failure. Considering the overall lack of experienced talent on the roster, it's hard to come to the conclusion in 2013 that Dave Caldwell and Gus Bradley will ultimately fail.
Looking at the Jaguars situation objectively, I think the organization needs stability at GM, Head Coach, and the with systems that are in place. If more change is made, it's likely that some of the players that were added this year won't fit in the plans of yet another regime.
Quote:I'm not sure about this point. The roster turnover here from last year to now suggests otherwise.
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And, just in general and directed at no one in particular, it seems there's a pretty obvious consensus that Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne aren't worth their salt and simply shouldn't be starting in the NFL. I find it really difficult to jump on the "Bradley's Seat Should Be Heating Up" Train because of the mind-numbing state the roster was in even before he arrived.
Perhaps idealistic, but I don't think Bradley or Caldwell should have to go down on the Gabbert/Henne ship.
A second point -- to those suggesting the Jaguars MUST tank the season to get Teddy (and, yes, there are some of you), how can you possibly then turn around and say you'd find it hard to keep Bradley for going 0-16?
Some good points but if we are going to be this bad then our roster purge should have been much greater. We have a grand total of 7- 10 players that are keepers. The rest of the roster needs to go.
My dissatisfaction with Bradley has nothing to do with the Gabby/ Henne ship. It has more to do with defending players that are not going to be here next year and the overall pseudo - confidence he tries to paint with. He has nothing to lose this year personally, ball up your iron fist and slam the table. You want a tough team? It starts from the top.
As far as tanking, I support it because I believe Teddy is one of those special QB's that can turn around a franchise and deliver a Super Bowl. Can we please just have a little excitement in the process like the Houston game last year. Even though we lost ,that was my favorite game of the year because we competed and showed some heart. Give us 3-4 plays a game to get excited about and show us something.
Clock on this regime starts ticking when Caldwell drafts his own hand-picked franchise QB. And there's going to be tremendous pressure on him to take that guy in the 2014 draft, likely #1 overall, regardless of whether a player fitting that mold exists. I'm worried what happens if Teddy, or whoever the consensus top QB is after the season, is not the answer and we force the issue. I'm not in favor of taking a QB that will help win games but will never be the kind of guy that is a catalyst to building a perennial Super Bowl contender. Maybe that's being greedy, but how do Panthers fans feel about their chances of winning a title with Cam Newton, and if he doesn't win one, does that make it a wasted pick?
Quote:Some good points but if we are going to be this bad then our roster purge should have been much greater. We have a grand total of 7- 10 players that are keepers. The rest of the roster needs to go.
My dissatisfaction with Bradley has nothing to do with the Gabby/ Henne ship. It has more to do with defending players that are not going to be here next year and the overall pseudo - confidence he tries to paint with. He has nothing to lose this year personally, ball up your iron fist and slam the table. You want a tough team? It starts from the top.
As far as tanking, I support it because I believe Teddy is one of those special QB's that can turn around a franchise and deliver a Super Bowl. Can we please just have a little excitement in the process like the Houston game last year. Even though we lost ,that was my favorite game of the year because we competed and showed some heart. Give us 3-4 plays a game to get excited about and show us something.
We have only played 4 games and we still have 12 to go.
This is the worst pro team I have ever had the misfortune to witness, but taking a giant crap on all the players who are clearly out of their depth, when are still the only ones we have for the rest of the season is not the way to go.
Quote:Tom Landry.
Landry was part of the 1960 expansion Dallas team. A completely different era of football with only 12 other teams.
Gus Bradley is on the hot seat if the team continues it's ineptitude for the entire season. He'll get another year, but the seat will be warming.
Regards....................the Chiefjag
I agree with the Chief. The instant gratification society we live in today is far different than the Tom Landry era at the beginning of the Cowboys. People today have come to demand results much quicker. His decision that Gabbert is his guy will only hasten the arrival of the hot seat for the Coach!
Quote:Bradley and Caldwell have absolutely zero pressure on their shoulders and it shows. They have 2 years to fail as hard as they can. In case my fellow Jag fans have not figured it out we are tanking, the process has already begun.
I have so much respect for the 60K Jag fans that show up to Everbank week in and week out knowing we are going to get slaughtered without a single play to drool on or over-hype for future hope.
I respect Khan dividing business and football decisions but would like to see a little less cheerleading and defending of poor play and a little more authoritative leadership.
Did you listen to Tomlin's post game comments? He said they suck and those that do not get better will not be on the team. A very different mentality then we have here.
Loved Tomlin's press conference. I want that kind of coach here. Not all nicey nice.
Quote:I'm not sure about this point. The roster turnover here from last year to now suggests otherwise.
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And, just in general and directed at no one in particular, it seems there's a pretty obvious consensus that Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne aren't worth their salt and simply shouldn't be starting in the NFL. I find it really difficult to jump on the "Bradley's Seat Should Be Heating Up" Train because of the mind-numbing state the roster was in even before he arrived.
Perhaps idealistic, but I don't think Bradley or Caldwell should have to go down on the Gabbert/Henne ship.
A second point -- to those suggesting the Jaguars MUST tank the season to get Teddy (and, yes, there are some of you), how can you possibly then turn around and say you'd find it hard to keep Bradley for going 0-16?
I am one who wishes that the team tank the season to get Bridge....but that doesn't necessarily mean 0-16 with zero progress during the season in certain team area. I also understand you can have a lousy final record but still show progress.
Quote: I agree with the Chief. The instant gratification society we live in today is far different than the Tom Landry era at the beginning of the Cowboys. People today have come to demand results much quicker. His decision that Gabbert is his guy will only hasten the arrival of the hot seat for the Coach!
You say people (fans) have instant gratification and demand results quicker....however, it actually IS a lot easier in todays NFL to rebuild/ have success than ever before. Free agency and the changing rules since the days of Landry have made it so.
Quote:I don't think this conversation should even start until next season, assuming we do draft a QB. Most likely we'll really be able to judge Caldwell and Bradley beginning with the third season.
If we don't draft or pickup a solid free agent QB I'm going straight to the store and buying a freaking Dolphins jersey because that will tell me this team is not trying. I'll support a loser while they rebuild and go through some bad times, but when or if it becomes completely obvious the team is making no effort to get better thats when I'm done. Not supporting a team that isn't trying. Really, how many more times can I hear "we need to reduce the mistakes"? How many more years of that? What you NEED to do is draft a QB that doesn't suck. It's been obvious for so long Gabbert is not the answer, I get for business reasons you have to give him a chance. He had it, he's done nothing with it. Jags have to cut the losses and move on now.
I don't care if he goes 0-16 he doesn't need to go. Who would realistically come and coach an 0-16 team that has fired two coaches in two years? Like everyone else is saying give him til year 3 and if we're still struggling for a few wins its time to reevaluate things.
I don't know why but I think Bradley and Caldwell are gonna pan out to be a good team. Bradley's taken Pete Carroll's whole system and ran with it. Compare their first drafts and how many roster transactions the Seahawks had Carroll's first year trying to find the right guys to build around. We don't have the wins to show for it yet but realistically we don't have much talent to work with, yet. :yes:
Quote:If we don't draft or pickup a solid free agent QB I'm going straight to the store and buying a freaking Dolphins jersey because that will tell me this team is not trying. I'll support a loser while they rebuild and go through some bad times, but when or if it becomes completely obvious the team is making no effort to get better thats when I'm done. Not supporting a team that isn't trying. Really, how many more times can I hear "we need to reduce the mistakes"? How many more years of that? What you NEED to do is draft a QB that doesn't suck. It's been obvious for so long Gabbert is not the answer, I get for business reasons you have to give him a chance. He had it, he's done nothing with it. Jags have to cut the losses and move on now.
Goodbye and don't come back
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A second point -- to those suggesting the Jaguars MUST tank the season to get Teddy (and, yes, there are some of you), how can you possibly then turn around and say you'd find it hard to keep Bradley for going 0-16?
So that win or lose, they can call him a bum.
Quote: You say people (fans) have instant gratification and demand results quicker....however, it actually IS a lot easier in todays NFL to rebuild/ have success than ever before. Free agency and the changing rules since the days of Landry have made it so.
It is also easier when the best available free agent QB is Drew Brees and not Matt Cassel. Or you have the second pick in 2012 when RGIII is the second best player.
Quote:Clock on this regime starts ticking when Caldwell drafts his own hand-picked franchise QB. And there's going to be tremendous pressure on him to take that guy in the 2014 draft, likely #1 overall, regardless of whether a player fitting that mold exists. I'm worried what happens if Teddy, or whoever the consensus top QB is after the season, is not the answer and we force the issue. I'm not in favor of taking a QB that will help win games but will never be the kind of guy that is a catalyst to building a perennial Super Bowl contender. Maybe that's being greedy, but how do Panthers fans feel about their chances of winning a title with Cam Newton, and if he doesn't win one, does that make it a wasted pick?
Pretty much. I worry about forcing a QB as well, and then regretting it when Clowney is posting 15 sacks a year and blowing up RB's in the backfield. I usually don't get into the whole draft process until the college bowls, but hopefully there's an option for our 2nd round pick.
Quote:Pretty much. I worry about forcing a QB as well, and then regretting it when Clowney is posting 15 sacks a year and blowing up RB's in the backfield. I usually don't get into the whole draft process until the college bowls, but hopefully there's an option for our 2nd round pick.
By that same token, I worry about passing on Teddy throwing 4000~ yards, 25 TD's a year while we get an 'adequate' Quarterback who makes us competitive enough to fight for the playoffs, but not enough to win in them.