Quote:Is Cyprien not part of this defense thats 0-4 and giving up vast amount of points this year or something??
33rd overall....
as said...."meh"....
When/ if he starts playing better then I'll give him props.
Hey smart guy, how about you give the rookie time to develop before you start forming conclusions. He's four games into his career.
He hasn't played bad, by any means.
Quote:Hey smart guy, how about you give the rookie time to develop before you start forming conclusions. He's four games into his career.
He hasn't played bad, by any means.
He developed his conclusion on Cyprien the day he was drafted.
Quote:He developed his conclusion on Cyprien the day he was drafted.
Bingo. He didn't even know who Cyprien was when he was drafted but said he didn't "sound" like a good player.
slow down with the "beast" label
Quote:Hey smart guy, how about you give the rookie time to develop before you start forming conclusions. He's four games into his career.
He hasn't played bad, by any means.
PFF disagrees:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...ea-week-3/
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"Rough Day for the Rookie
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Rookie second round pick John Cyprien has been following a disappointing trend through three games. His grades have gotten worse every game from -1.7 in Week 1 to -2.6 in Week 2 to finally -3.1 on Sunday. The rookie was a complete non-factor against both the run and pass. In 37 snaps against the run he failed to record a single tackle. It was Cyrprien that was responsible for the Seahawks second touchdown when he lost Zach Miller after biting on a run fake. Many expected Cyprien’s transition to the NFL to be a rocky one after the dramatic step up in competition from Florida International, but he’s going to have to reverse this trend soon if he wants to stay on the field."
Eh I agree with some things you say TMD but I can't about this one on Cyp. He is fast, hits well, tackles well, makes some plays and plays a pretty big role already on the D. If I had to pick 3 of the best players on D I would take Cyprien, Gratz, and Poz.
Quote:PFF disagrees:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...ea-week-3/
<p style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana, geneva, sans-serif;">"Rough Day for the Rookie
<p style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana, geneva, sans-serif;">Rookie second round pick John Cyprien has been following a disappointing trend through three games. His grades have gotten worse every game from -1.7 in Week 1 to -2.6 in Week 2 to finally -3.1 on Sunday. The rookie was a complete non-factor against both the run and pass. In 37 snaps against the run he failed to record a single tackle. It was Cyrprien that was responsible for the Seahawks second touchdown when he lost Zach Miller after biting on a run fake. Many expected Cyprien’s transition to the NFL to be a rocky one after the dramatic step up in competition from Florida International, but he’s going to have to reverse this trend soon if he wants to stay on the field."
PFF is
terrible with defensive player ratings tbh.
Quote:PFF disagrees:
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/09/23/refo-jax-sea-week-3/'>https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/09/23/refo-jax-sea-week-3/</a>
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Rookie second round pick John Cyprien has been following a disappointing trend through three games. His grades have gotten worse every game from -1.7 in Week 1 to -2.6 in Week 2 to finally -3.1 on Sunday. The rookie was a complete non-factor against both the run and pass. In 37 snaps against the run he failed to record a single tackle. It was Cyrprien that was responsible for the Seahawks second touchdown when he lost Zach Miller after biting on a run fake. Many expected Cyprien’s transition to the NFL to be a rocky one after the dramatic step up in competition from Florida International, but he’s going to have to reverse this trend soon if he wants to stay on the field."
And that second TD pass to Miller was 100% prosinkis fault.
Quote:They seem to be bad with LB ratings. I'm not so sure about DB ratings. Do you have an example?
In our defense, Cyp plays the bandit role.
Part lb, part db.
Cyprien has played in four professional games so far so lets give him a little time to develop.
With that said, I did see Marshawn Lynch RUN OVER Cyprien and yesterday Brown did not even lose a step when Cyprien hit him.
I like seeing those two guys back there together because I see them as the future of the backfield. I don't think either played particularly well, and PFF backs that up...
Quote:PFF disagrees:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...ea-week-3/
<p style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana, geneva, sans-serif;">"Rough Day for the Rookie
<p style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana, geneva, sans-serif;">Rookie second round pick John Cyprien has been following a disappointing trend through three games. His grades have gotten worse every game from -1.7 in Week 1 to -2.6 in Week 2 to finally -3.1 on Sunday. The rookie was a complete non-factor against both the run and pass. In 37 snaps against the run he failed to record a single tackle. It was Cyrprien that was responsible for the Seahawks second touchdown when he lost Zach Miller after biting on a run fake. Many expected Cyprien’s transition to the NFL to be a rocky one after the dramatic step up in competition from Florida International, but he’s going to have to reverse this trend soon if he wants to stay on the field."
IIRC, PFF said Brent Grimes was the best CB in the NFL at one point.
Here's the problem with their grading system:
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If a player does something you would normally expect, then this scores a 0. If a linebacker makes an unblocked tackle 5 yards downfield or a tight end makes a wide-open catch for an 8-yard gain, they receive a score of 0 for that play.
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Grades are given for plays which are reasonably considered to be better or worse than the average or expected play. So for example, if the linebacker were to then force a fumble on that tackle, that would constitute a positive play and a positive grade. If the tight end were to in fact drop the wide-open pass, that would constitute a negative play and a negative grade.
Their grading system is pretty dumb, because a defensive player who is on the field for only a couple of plays but has one good play, and five 'average plays' rates higher than a player who is on the field the whole game having several average plays, but one bad play.
Quote:In our defense, Cyp plays the bandit role.
Part lb, part db.
Then that mades this:
"In 37 snaps against the run he failed to record a single tackle."
even worse.
Quote:They seem to be bad with LB ratings. I'm not so sure about DB ratings. Do you have an example?
Theyre good with LB ratings, its the DB ratings that are horrible.
Quote:True, but that's true for any rating system, you can't compare players who play a few downs vs. a player who plays just about every down. That's why there are minimums for statistical leaders. In any case, Cyprien is bering rated against only himself in this case.
Once again I ask: can you show me a case in the past where a PFF rating of a safety was obviously wrong? I truly have no idea whether or not PFF is accurate in rating safeties. I do know that I saw Cyprien flat out whiff on several tackles against Seattle.
The main writer at PFF thinks earl thomas is nothing special.
Quote:Then that mades this:
"In 37 snaps against the run he failed to record a single tackle."
even worse.
In the 4th quarter, 1st and 10 from indy 14 (11:03) 34-T.Richardson right end to IND 16 for 2 yards (37-J.Cyprien).