Quote:Anybody ever think what if Henne has improved as a qb?? Ijs... People act like you cant get better, he has been on the bench 2 years... So i know he is healthy.. He can probably bring a manage the game element that Blake cant give you right now..
At Henne's age, you are what you are. Henne is like a 60 year old union worker. You are done learning and just trying to maintain.
Quote:What we know for certain is that even when Henne played with quality players around him (look back at his dolphins time) he was garbage holding everyone back. He's been in the league ten years, he's always been garbage, he always will be garbage. If you like seeing the occasional TD then be glad you're seeing Bortles in games, because even though he's playing like [BAD WORD REMOVED] this season he's still having a better season than Henne has ever had.
How has Bortles been better in the win column? Sure he has more yards (thanks to garbage time!) but I'll take fewer yards per game and more wins any time.
Na, Henne sucks. I'd rather Henne get cut and Allen start getting reps. Neither one would be the answer though, so might as well stick it out with Bortles. Bring in competition during the offseason.
Quote:How has Bortles been better in the win column? Sure he has more yards (thanks to garbage time!) but I'll take fewer yards per game and more wins any time.
How many games a team wins isn't solely on a QB. Bortles didn't goose Marks and make him immediately jump offsides on forth down salting the game away. Bortles didn't repeatedly fail to cover punts and fumble trying to field them. Bortles didn't repeatedly fumble the ball away as a running back. He's thrown his share of interceptions, but reading this thread you'd think that just handing the ball off fifty times a game would be enough to win for the Jaguars, which is moronic. If just being a crappy game manager that throws more ints than TDs were enough for this team the coaches would just make Bortles do that.
Quote:At Henne's age, you are what you are. Henne is like a 60 year old union worker. You are done learning and just trying to maintain.
Lol..Damn thats bad..
Quote:Have you ever seen Henne play?
THIS!!! ^^^
Quote: Yes, Henne is an immobile QB who needs a decent pocket to throw. In Miami and here when he played he did not have a line that was worth anything. This year we are doing a better job of pass blocking. Therefor I expect Henne would put up a better performance compared to what we have seen from him in the past.\
The bottom line here is that if Henne is worse than Bortles is right now then Henne should not be on the team, even as a backup.
Exactly why I've been baffled that he is still on the team. Notice, the talk has been about Brandon Allen, not Henne.
Quote:Seriously, as badly as Blake is playing if Henne is any worse then he should not even have a backup job in the NFL. So why are the coaches so against pulling Bortles when he is obviously completely out of sorts. Give him a game or two off. It is not like we could be much worse.
It probably does actually get worse with Henne, but for the sake of Blake's fatigued arm I wouldn't argue the decision. I'd rather see what Allen has, but I suspect they'll want to play Henne first, and you probably want someone with experience going up against the pass rushes of the Bills, Broncos and Vikings. Those aren't exactly games for a rookie making his first start.
Bortles is on a multi-game losing streak. He's directly been responsible for a couple of those losses (AT LEAST). Different announcers/analysts criticize him about something different each and every week. Everyone with eyesight sees the wobbling ducks, terrible decisions, and pitiful offensive drives most of the game.
Questions from many people about benching BB for a myriad of different reasons are legit.
Regardless of Bortles losing streak and struggles, the very first game Henne plays, there will be a ton of critics all over him; "See, I told you he sucked. He lost the game. He's terrible."
It probably wouldn't even take a full game for people to crow about it. I can hear it now.
As bad as we saw Henne play a couple years ago, there's no way he's any worse than what Bortles has been doing lately. Bortles' play lately has been about as bad as any QB I've ever seen. I mean, it's Geno Smith level (when Geno looked completely lost). Henne might be bad, but NO WAY he's worse than that.
That's not even considering the level of talent Henne had to play with back then as compared to what the Jags have now. The WRs back then were a complete JOKE compared to what's on the roster now. The O-line is much better. The defense is much better.
Don't forget that Henne hasn't taken a snap in two years, and he stunk up the field the last time he did.
Thread makes no sense period! You know you what you have in Henne, if anything you put Allen out there or you let the season play out with BB5 to see if he can get out of this slump.
Then give Blake through the Vikings game, and if we still haven't won a game by then, start Allen. ...that's my preferred plan all along if they could just keep Henne the backup.
To put things in perspective, Henne is the last jag QB to put together a 3 game win streak.
Henne obviously isn't the future, but there is possibly some value in putting a guy out there whose confidence isn't shot for the benefit of the rest of the players on offense. This would also take the pressure off Bortles and give him the opportunity to focus on fixing himself.
If we are indeed mathematically out of the playoffs, the Jags need to pull Bortles and give him a chance to recuperate if the next game turns ugly again.
If he indeed is our franchise quarterback, keeping him in the game for the remainder of the season is not going to do his body any good.
My opinion is he is nursing something that is throwing everything off and he is not seasoned enough at the position to offset it. Big Ben, Brady and even Peyton knew their limitations when hurt and worked around it.
I still believe MJD would have had a bit more career left in him if the Jags wouldn't have worn him out during those hopelessly lost seasons where we had no chance for the playoffs. You play until the end but he was getting banged and bruised and carrying the team on his shoulders.
Old link below, but speaks volumes on the lack of direction and rebuilding the Jags have so desperately have been chasing.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.press-citizen.com/story/sports/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/2015/03/06/maurice-jones-drew-jacksonville-jaguars-star-returement/24504353/'>http://www.press-citizen.com/story/sports/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/2015/03/06/maurice-jones-drew-jacksonville-jaguars-star-returement/24504353/</a>
Quote:IMO, the Bortles issue is why we need a new GM. I am afraid Caldwell won't address the QB situation in the draft even if he truly believes Bortles is damaged goods. In my opinion, Caldwell doesn't seem like a guy who is very good at admitting his failures, as he hasn't re-addressed any premium positions in the draft where he has taken busts. The whole "I'm young and smarter than everybody in the room" thing was cool for awhile, but his days as a GM are over IMO.
We need someone to come in who can look at this roster through an unbiased lens and do what needs to be done without doing things that might save their job.
A fair question that I think should be raised is does Shad Khan have enough football knowledge to make the proper evaluation whether to continue with Dave Caldwell as GM or go in another direction instead?
Dave Caldwell has improved the Jaguars roster substantially. Yet, because of some of the key mistakes that Caldwell has already made, with the jury still out on some of the team's high draft picks, it seems like a difficult call whether Caldwell should be retained. So much should depend on what type of improvements has Caldwell planned for 2017 and beyond. That's what Khan probably should ask Caldwell about in the coming weeks.
Quote:Bortles is on a multi-game losing streak. He's directly been responsible for a couple of those losses (AT LEAST). Different announcers/analysts criticize him about something different each and every week. Everyone with eyesight sees the wobbling ducks, terrible decisions, and pitiful offensive drives most of the game.
Questions from many people about benching BB for a myriad of different reasons are legit.
Regardless of Bortles losing streak and struggles, the very first game Henne plays, there will be a ton of critics all over him; "See, I told you he sucked. He lost the game. He's terrible."
It probably wouldn't even take a full game for people to crow about it. I can hear it now.
As bad as we saw Henne play a couple years ago, there's no way he's any worse than what Bortles has been doing lately. Bortles' play lately has been about as bad as any QB I've ever seen. I mean, it's Geno Smith level (when Geno looked completely lost). Henne might be bad, but NO WAY he's worse than that.
That's not even considering the level of talent Henne had to play with back then as compared to what the Jags have now. The WRs back then were a complete JOKE compared to what's on the roster now. The O-line is much better. The defense is much better.
Wrong!
How could Mularky possibly be worse than Del Rio?
How could Gus possibly be worse than Mularky?
Every change isn't for the better. If you really want to see Henne in a game maybe someone should get you a bib, instead.
Quote:How could Mularky possibly be worse than Del Rio?
How could Gus possibly be worse than Mularky?
Every change isn't for the better. If you really want to see Henne in a game maybe someone should get you a bib, instead.
Mularkey is so bad.....
look at the dumpster fire in TN...
oh.......wait.....
Quote:Bart Scott made the case for Chad Henne and ripped into Blake Bortles as a QB. This after Blake Bortles best game recently:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bart-s...-horrible/
Bart Scott has had it out for Bortles ever since he got in front of a camera.
Like every chance he gets he talks about his garbage time stats and his awful play.
As a former Raven, I imagine he isn't too fond of the Jaguars in general either.
What good does starting Henne do right now anyway? I am a BB5 critic, but until highly paid WR's can catch balls that hit their hands, BB5 remains the starter.