(06-17-2017, 06:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-15-2017, 06:43 PM)KYjaggy Wrote: [ -> ]If Marrone's philosophy ended at being overtly structured and disciplined that would be great. The comments about the passing attempts going down, hopefully to zero even, are scary even if said tongue in cheek.
I think we are embarking on a mission to become an MJD/Garrard or more recently Texans/Bengalsesque team where we hope to run/defend our way into enough wins to squeak into the playoffs and then get walloped by a legitimate Super Bowl contender with a franchise QB.
Unless you have a franchise QB, there's no other course to take. Trying to act like we have a franchise QB, when we don't have one, trying to build the team around Blake Bortles, so far has been an abysmal failure.
I like the approach Dallas took. They built the rest of the team to the point where they could put a rookie QB in there and he would have a really easy time because he didn't have to carry the team.
Building our running game and our defense is a tremendous approach because if Blake fails this year, and we draft a new QB next year, the guy won't have to carry the team.
And besides, it sounds like you think building the defense and the running game means we can't keep trying to get a franchise QB. These are not mutually exclusive tasks.
Pittsburgh did that too right before they landed Roethlisberger.
(06-17-2017, 08:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-17-2017, 06:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Unless you have a franchise QB, there's no other course to take. Trying to act like we have a franchise QB, when we don't have one, trying to build the team around Blake Bortles, so far has been an abysmal failure.
I like the approach Dallas took. They built the rest of the team to the point where they could put a rookie QB in there and he would have a really easy time because he didn't have to carry the team.
Building our running game and our defense is a tremendous approach because if Blake fails this year, and we draft a new QB next year, the guy won't have to carry the team.
And besides, it sounds like you think building the defense and the running game means we can't keep trying to get a franchise QB. These are not mutually exclusive tasks.
Pittsburgh did that too right before they landed Roethlisberger.
And the Patriots. Look how well Garappolo did.
(06-17-2017, 10:39 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (06-17-2017, 08:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Pittsburgh did that too right before they landed Roethlisberger.
And the Patriots. Look how well Garappolo did.
There will be people that complain about anything that is said.
I personally like the new direction. Marrone just seems a more natural leader of men than Gus ever was.
Gus isn't and never was a leader of men. He is just a great friend
Elite defense and run game is what wins championships unless you have a HOF QB. Live the moves as of late.
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After watching Blake take the game on his shoulders and drive for TD after TD in 2015, I believe he can be a SB winning QB. He had issues with his arm this past season so I don't think it's fair to use his 2016 results to conclude that he can't get it done when it counts. The 2015 season is probably the most dissapointing season we've had to witness because Blake was playing good enough to win, but the defense and running game let the team down week after week.
(06-17-2017, 09:34 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]After watching Blake take the game on his shoulders and drive for TD after TD in 2015, I believe he can be a SB winning QB. He had issues with his arm this past season so I don't think it's fair to use his 2016 results to conclude that he can't get it done when it counts. The 2015 season is probably the most dissapointing season we've had to witness because Blake was playing good enough to win, but the defense and running game let the team down week after week.
I won't rank Bortles as an elite QB or anything, but anyone that thinks 2015 didn't show something either didn't actually watch it or doesn't understand football at all.
QBs throw interceptions, even Tom Brady does, remember his pick six in the Superbowl?
The difference between great teams and teams like the Jaguars is that great teams let their QBs win while for years the Jaguars have kept their QB from winning. Hopefully that changes this season.
Drew Brees has never thrown single digit ints in a season he started every game.
Roethlisberger has done it once.
Are they great QBs?
Brees hasn't had a winning record since 2013.
Roethlisberger hasn't won a playoffs game in five years.
None of that means Bortles will win a Superbowl, but I think there's been a serious misalignment of expectations thanks to Brady and Manning. People think QBs won't win unless they throw almost no interceptions. They also seem to think a franchise QB can carry any team.
They forget that Brees has Payton at coach, Roethlisberger has Tomlin, Brady has Belichick, Manning had Dungy. Bortles had Sprinkles.
Enough said?
Ice cream has consequences.
Can't say I was thrilled with the Marrone hire, but he's certainly saying a lot of things that I like hearing thus far.
I'll probably know by October if I like the hire or not.
I'm inclined to think I'll like it.
First off. After a long needed break I am back. Secondly FBT is right on. When says we won't run the ball 90% of the time. And it could cut down on Blakes turnovers. However the thorn in his side. Is history has shown with a stronger running offense. His win percentage has tanked.
On the other side of the coin is this. If Fournette can turn those yards to many tds or great runs. It will be a different type of rushing attack. And will give Blake a stronger chance to win more games.
Plus we didn't draft Westbrook for no reason. And plan on using his and Lee speed for great down the field throws.
And I have been on board with both Marrone and Hackett since day one. And have seen tremendous improvement on the offensive side of the ball. And hope that carries into this season. And we can at least reach 500.
(06-18-2017, 11:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Can't say I was thrilled with the Marrone hire, but he's certainly saying a lot of things that I like hearing thus far.
I'll probably know by October if I like the hire or not.
I'm inclined to think I'll like it.
Who did you want?
I know FBT wanted TC. I remember Brklyn going back and forth...pre hire he was staunch pro Marrone, post hire he was not so thrilled about it...now he's warming to him again.
I liked Marrone since his Buffalo days, but was open to any number of guys.
(06-18-2017, 03:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 11:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Can't say I was thrilled with the Marrone hire, but he's certainly saying a lot of things that I like hearing thus far.
I'll probably know by October if I like the hire or not.
I'm inclined to think I'll like it.
Who did you want?
I know FBT wanted TC. I remember Brklyn going back and forth...pre hire he was staunch pro Marrone, post hire he was not so thrilled about it...now he's warming to him again.
I liked Marrone since his Buffalo days, but was open to any number of guys.
I know you weren't asking me, but personally I wanted to see them go hard after harbaugh if possible, TC would have been my second choice only because of his age. I was okay with Marrone, but it was irritating that they had the better head coach on staff for years already and wasted a fourth year on Gus.
(06-18-2017, 03:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 03:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Who did you want?
I know FBT wanted TC. I remember Brklyn going back and forth...pre hire he was staunch pro Marrone, post hire he was not so thrilled about it...now he's warming to him again.
I liked Marrone since his Buffalo days, but was open to any number of guys.
I know you weren't asking me, but personally I wanted to see them go hard after harbaugh if possible, TC would have been my second choice only because of his age. I was okay with Marrone, but it was irritating that they had the better head coach on staff for years already and wasted a fourth year on Gus.
The worst part is that they could've gotten Swartz last year to run the defense, but they stuck with Fudge Royal instead. It was clear to all of us that Pus was the problem, but they refused to move on it. I put that squarely on Shad, and I think he's learned his lesson.
(06-18-2017, 03:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 03:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Who did you want?
I know FBT wanted TC. I remember Brklyn going back and forth...pre hire he was staunch pro Marrone, post hire he was not so thrilled about it...now he's warming to him again.
I liked Marrone since his Buffalo days, but was open to any number of guys.
I know you weren't asking me, but personally I wanted to see them go hard after harbaugh if possible, TC would have been my second choice only because of his age. I was okay with Marrone, but it was irritating that they had the better head coach on staff for years already and wasted a fourth year on Gus.
I'll never, ever, understand the rationale behind that decision. It was clearly obvious that Gus was at the controls of a flaming, smoking airplane which was spiraling towards the ground. Yes still,
still, they gave that putz another year. This is why I'm glad to see TC onboard again. The front office and the ownership suite both needed 'How to Run an NFL Franchise 101' instruction. If TC were to hang it up tomorrow, this franchise would be all the better for it in just the short amount of time he's been back.
(06-18-2017, 03:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 03:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Who did you want?
I know FBT wanted TC. I remember Brklyn going back and forth...pre hire he was staunch pro Marrone, post hire he was not so thrilled about it...now he's warming to him again.
I liked Marrone since his Buffalo days, but was open to any number of guys.
I know you weren't asking me, but personally I wanted to see them go hard after harbaugh if possible, TC would have been my second choice only because of his age. I was okay with Marrone, but it was irritating that they had the better head coach on staff for years already and wasted a fourth year on Gus.
Harbaugh would have been really nice. Still don't see how SF let him get away. I kinda understand going with Gus a 4th year, but I think Gus should have been fired after the first Tennessee game, at the latest. It would have been interesting to see what this team's record would have been if Marrone coached the last 8 games last year, based upon how the team performed the last two games.
(06-18-2017, 04:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 03:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I know you weren't asking me, but personally I wanted to see them go hard after harbaugh if possible, TC would have been my second choice only because of his age. I was okay with Marrone, but it was irritating that they had the better head coach on staff for years already and wasted a fourth year on Gus.
The worst part is that they could've gotten Swartz last year to run the defense, but they stuck with Fudge Royal instead. It was clear to all of us that Pus was the problem, but they refused to move on it. I put that squarely on Shad, and I think he's learned his lesson.
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The irony of the part in bold is that most people thought Khan would not be as patient as Weaver was when it came to firing coaches.
(06-18-2017, 04:13 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'll never, ever, understand the rationale behind that decision. It was clearly obvious that Gus was at the controls of a flaming, smoking airplane which was spiraling towards the ground. Yes still, still, they gave that putz another year. This is why I'm glad to see TC onboard again. The front office and the ownership suite both needed 'How to Run an NFL Franchise 101' instruction. If TC were to hang it up tomorrow, this franchise would be all the better for it in just the short amount of time he's been back.
(Emphasis added)
Reading Crush's account of the coaches clinic during OTAs bears that out. Based upon his account, it didn't appear to be a wasted moment throughout. Mistakes were identified and corrected immediately.
Furthermore, Caldwell made an admission earlier in the offseason that speaks of Coughlin's influence over the organization. Caldwell indicated that in retrospect, he did not place enough emphasis on special teams. Considering that the Jaguars under TC always seemed to have good special teams, and that except for one year, the Jaguars stunk at special teams under Bradley/Caldwell, you hit the nail on the head with this analysis, homebiscuit.
This is an older article regarding Marrone. Seems he is flexible in terms of philosophy...
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...-look-like
NFL.com analyst Harrison from his "Head Coach Power Rankings"
Quote:26) Doug Marrone, Jacksonville Jaguars
Marrone toils in the weirdest coaching environment among all the first-year guys. The expectations for the Jags always seem to measure inversely with the subsequent results. The confidence in the (franchise?) quarterback wavers at best. And the word on the street is that Tom Coughlin's footprint is all over the Jaguars operation. Thus, Marrone must produce wins with a successful former head coach looking over his shoulder and a quarterback whose recent play has been erratic at best (and no other QB waiting in the wings), all against the backdrop of what has been a losing culture in Jacksonville.
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap300000...r-rankings
(06-21-2017, 02:40 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]NFL.com analyst Harrison from his "Head Coach Power Rankings"
Quote:26) Doug Marrone, Jacksonville Jaguars
Marrone toils in the weirdest coaching environment among all the first-year guys. The expectations for the Jags always seem to measure inversely with the subsequent results. The confidence in the (franchise?) quarterback wavers at best. And the word on the street is that Tom Coughlin's footprint is all over the Jaguars operation. Thus, Marrone must produce wins with a successful former head coach looking over his shoulder and a quarterback whose recent play has been erratic at best (and no other QB waiting in the wings), all against the backdrop of what has been a losing culture in Jacksonville.
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap300000...r-rankings
He's not wrong, but it's interesting to think about how different the story line may have been had the move been made last off-season.
Ascending young QB, roster full of talent waiting to be coached up, and a team that clearly underachieved looking for the right hire.
Perspective can really change based on timing.
Yeah, if they're ranking Marrone alone, but with TC keeping him in check he should rank right near the top.
(06-21-2017, 04:00 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, if they're ranking Marrone alone, but with TC keeping him in check he should rank right near the top.
I love you guys who think Coughlin just craps excellence. Now that he's been hired, nothing that goes wrong will ever be his fault, and everything that goes right will be his idea.
(06-21-2017, 05:18 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2017, 04:00 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, if they're ranking Marrone alone, but with TC keeping him in check he should rank right near the top.
I love you guys who think Coughlin just craps excellence. Now that he's been hired, nothing that goes wrong will ever be his fault, and everything that goes right will be his idea.
I hear you.
I remember the
"too many hats" period.
The
salary cap debacle.
And I had a front row view of NY media and fans that wanted him gone on three separate occasions.
One of those times ended with TC relenting some of his domineering nature to smooth things over and keep his job. Something he
should have done during his stint in Jacksonville in the 90's.
(06-21-2017, 05:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2017, 05:18 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]I love you guys who think Coughlin just craps excellence. Now that he's been hired, nothing that goes wrong will ever be his fault, and everything that goes right will be his idea.
I hear you.
I remember the "too many hats" period.
The salary cap debacle.
And I had a front row view of NY media and fans that wanted him gone on three separate occasions.
One of those times ended with TC relenting some of his domineering nature to smooth things over and keep his job. Something he should have done during his stint in Jacksonville in the 90's.
Yeah, I remember the one year they wanted him gone in NY he stayed and won another SB