We were discussing this at work today. Out of all the teams that we play this year, what team is a thorn in your side?
Colts - Is it Andrew Luck and TY Hilton.
Texans - Now that they have what could be a good QB, plus JJ Watt and Clowney, Cushing and that defense.
Titans- that running game lead by Murray and spelled by Henry. Plus that strong offensive line. Now they added some legit receivers to go with Delanie Walker.
Charges - Philip Rivers just owns us.
Please don't move to AFC South, it could be any team.
(06-19-2017, 06:18 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]We were discussing this at work today. Out of all the teams that we play this year, what team is a thorn in your side?
Colts - Is it Andrew Luck and TY Hilton.
Texans - Now that they have what could be a good QB, plus JJ Watt and Clowney, Cushing and that defense.
Titans- that running game lead by Murray and spelled by Henry. Plus that strong offensive line. Now they added some legit receivers to go with Delanie Walker.
Charges - Philip Rivers just owns us.
Please don't move to AFC South, it could be any team.
The Texans worry me the most.
They are the first opponent of the season.
Though we added Albert and Robinson, our OL has matched up horribly against their front seven.
A bad game by our OL against a healthy Watt, Clowney, et al could see an early, immediate erosion of all of the work Bortles has put in this offseason.
That said, if we sneak out of Houston 1-0 and healthy, I like our chances.
Looking at the 2017 schedule -- the games that concern me most are against the:
tinhorns
steelers
bengals
cardinals
seahawks
I'm not as concerned as most with the tinhorns offense. I'm concerned with their pass rush pretty much exclusively.
I don't put much stock in Savage or Watson if the Jags have a healthy starting secondary of Ramsey/Bouye/Church/Gipson on the field.
(06-19-2017, 06:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the 2017 schedule -- the games that concern me most are against the:
tinhorns
steelers
bengals
cardinals
seahawks
I'm not as concerned as most with the tinhorns offense. I'm concerned with their pass rush pretty much exclusively.
I don't put much stock in Savage or Watson if the Jags have a healthy starting secondary of Ramsey/Bouye/Church/Gipson on the field.
Regarding your Texans analysis, we see things identically.
I would add the Chargers to that list. Not because they are a super bowl caliber team, because they aren't. But Rivers always manages to kill us.
I think we'll actually be okay against the Tacks, though.
(06-19-2017, 06:41 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 06:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the 2017 schedule -- the games that concern me most are against the:
tinhorns
steelers
bengals
cardinals
seahawks
I'm not as concerned as most with the tinhorns offense. I'm concerned with their pass rush pretty much exclusively.
I don't put much stock in Savage or Watson if the Jags have a healthy starting secondary of Ramsey/Bouye/Church/Gipson on the field.
Regarding your Texans analysis, we see things identically.
I would add the Chargers to that list. Not because they are a super bowl caliber team, because they aren't. But Rivers always manages to kill us.
I think we'll actually be okay against the Tacks, though.
Yes - Rivers is keen to pick us apart - but I just have a lot more confidence in this defense now that the Bradley effect has been removed and the secondary has been improved. The past two meeting of the Jags/bolts featured very poor defensive performance, coaching and game-planning. I'm hoping all three are improved.
Hopefully I'm not overly optimistic.
The Jags worry me the most. This team has a record of imploding and quick like.. If this team can get passed themselves, they have a chance.
Definitely not worried about the colts or titans. I expect the team to win games against them even if the Jaguars have another down year.
The Texans defense is good enough to make a game of it against the Jaguars even though I think the Jaguars are the more all around talented team.
The Chargers, although I think we might actually beat them this year.
As for the Texans, I keep thinking their offense will be so bad that they'll end up being a bottom feeder this year regardless of how good their defense is.
1 Seattle Seahawks 10 December 2017
I feel like this is the toughest game on the schedule as far as it’s positioning late in the season. The Jags have a favorable schedule and if they can finally scrap together some wins to keep the Divisional race close then this game sets up to be the game of the season. Seattle has one of the most complete teams in the league. They have solid foundational players at core positions. Youthful and Talented and will most likely be playing for a playoff or divisional position. If the Jaguars are in contention to win the usually languorously weak AFC South, then this game could be awesome to look forward to - with a ton of hype behind it if the circumstances go in the right way. This could be the game. The game that could show the league that the Jags are for real, or still a dud. Again, that’s if the Jaguars are contending in December. My hope is that the Jags can come into this game and potentially win or even remain competitive.
2 Cincinnati Bengals 5 November 2017
I think the Bengals are another team with a deep roster, they had a good off-season despite losing some starters on the O-Line. The Bengals will be fighting for the division (as we’ve come to expect from AFC North titles) and the Jags could be fighting to stay relevant or trying to break even and this could be a nice test to see where the team is with a good amount of football to be played. I ranked this game so high because of the Bengals talent as well as the time of year is a factor.
3-4 Tennessee 9/17, @ Tennessee 12/31
I’m going to say that Tennessee has the best team in the division. Mariota is a highly accurate precision passer who is in complete control of his offense. They have drafted extremely well since their GM has taken over. This roster is making Mike Malarkey look like a decent coach. I believe the first will be extremely important. A win in Houston would mean the Jags could take a commanding division lead while a loss in Houston would intensify the need to keep pace and keep the morale of fans and the team which is very fragile right now. I can’t stomach the thought of going 0-2 to Division opponents to start the Season.
My hope is that the December 31st match in Nashville will be a game of meaning. The burning rivalry between the two teams could be fueled once again by meaningful competition between us. I am beyond tired of playing for pride or trying to secure the top pick in the Draft. I’d hate to see a scenario where Tennessee is already holding the Division crown while the Jags have done well enough to miss out on the top QB, but poorly enough to be in the top 5. Sorry for the pessimism but it would be nice to be thinking about the playoffs on December 31st and not the off-season before week two ends. there is something erie to the fact that the Jaguars lose to Tennessee when it matters the most which can be frightening
5 @Pittsburgh Steelers 10/8
Week 5 in Pittsburgh could be a turning point for the Jags season and will be on of their toughest early tests. Hopefully, we will have beaten the worst roster in the league the week before vs the Jets and upsetting the Steelers at home could give the Jags serious momentum going into mid-season. The Steelers are a team on the decline, but can still do some serious damage as Roethlisberger has some of the best skill players in the league on his side. Winning in Pittsburgh would be motivating early on.
6-7 @ Houston Texans 10 September 2017,
VS Houston Texans 17 December 2017
The first game of the season in Houston, the crowd is going be pumped and the atmosphere is going to be all Houston. The D-Line is healthy and hungry and they match up better. Robinson/Albert need to be ready for this game. Jags tackles have been turnstiles against Houston the past three seasons. This is the game where the Jags can set the tone to usher in a new era by beating a division rival on the road. This could be the most important road opener in the history of the Jaguars franchise. A win could represent the breaking of mediocrity and embarrassment. This is honestly about a deep level of pride. This team, this city is famished for success. The painful ache of losing can be relieved, even if only for a week by beating Houston in game one. Not to mention that Ramsey V. Hopkins sounds like a per-per-view match
The Second Match-Up is another keystone in the schedule. The Texans should be a bit more together at this point with their QB situation have taken full shape. I believe Savage will be the QB most of the season and my bet would be that they take Savage into the playoffs. I think Savage is going to show up and keep the job as long as he can. The Jags could have the chance to claim their first AFC South crown come December. I see the Texans as our biggest rival, the Jags need to come into these games with a sense of swagger and confidence and put these clowns in their place.
These two games are going to be trench-wars. The Jags are going to be pounding away and eating clock, while the Texans try to hide their offensive flaws for another season.
8-9 Indianapolis Colts 3 December 2017
@ Indianapolis Colts 12 October 2017
A home game vs Indy could set the last part of the season into the usual disappointment or offer a spark of hope for a playoff berth. I ranked this game as 5th most important because Indy plays well in Jacksonville and this game is getting toward the end of the season with one divisional game remaining. Assuming Luck is healthy and the Colts finally start having more success, this game could be a nightmare if things are clicking for them. The Jags have a defense that can make trouble for Andrew Luck and TY Hilton historically, but the Jags need to prove that they can win TOP and stop giving away points on turnovers.
The first game against Indianapolis might be a trap game since the Jags have had success in Indianapolis. Again, assuming Luck is healthy, the Colts should be a very formidable opponent despite their rather weak roster, Luck gives them a chance to win every week. I honestly don’t know which Colts team we will see this season. I could see them being dominant or remain in mediocrity if they continue to let Luck take a beating each weekend.
10 Los Angeles Chargers 12 December 2017
At least Philip “Jag Killer” Rivers will be coming to Jacksonville. Even at their worst, the Chargers dominance of the Jags is almost a conspiracy. I’d hate to see another shameful loss to a mediocre team with an average roster and somehwhat declining QB
11 @ Arizona Cardinals 26 November 2017
Arizona might have a rough season; they have several core players in decline and their roster has been picked apart. Similarly, to the Steelers contest, the Jags will travel to Tempe, hopefully handling the Browns easily the prior week, against an experienced group playing for a Division. This game represents an opportunity to stay alive and not let a declining team with a probably so-so record in late November
12-15 New York Jets, Los Angeles Rams, Cleveland Browns, San Francisco 49ers
These four teams all have downright pitiful Rosters that are as bad or worse than that of the Jaguars. All have equally hopeless QB situations for the most part. The 49ers and Browns both drafted well, but are still in an overhaul while the Rams and Jets have assembled god-awful rosters that could be competing for the top picks in the draft - so they should be a cupcake game right?
These games are dangerous for the very fact that they are trap games. The Jaguars have done their best to sabotage themselves against teams they should be beating like the Browns and Rams or in this years case the Jets who might have one of the worst rosters in the last decade. Please Jags, don’t lose to the GD-Jets
16 Baltimore Ravens in London 24 September 2017
This is the game that stresses me out the very least. A game on practically home turf where they have seen most of their success in the past three years, early in the season against a competitive team. Like the Jaguars the Ravens have had some serious overhaul and culture shift in some ways, the Ravens are tired of being average since winning their 2nd Super Bowl. Every game matters on every Sunday, but on the stress-oximeter, they fall on the Green side
(06-19-2017, 06:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 06:41 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding your Texans analysis, we see things identically.
I would add the Chargers to that list. Not because they are a super bowl caliber team, because they aren't. But Rivers always manages to kill us.
I think we'll actually be okay against the Tacks, though.
Yes - Rivers is keen to pick us apart - but I just have a lot more confidence in this defense now that the Bradley effect has been removed and the secondary has been improved. The past two meeting of the Jags/bolts featured very poor defensive performance, coaching and game-planning. I'm hoping all three are improved.
Hopefully I'm not overly optimistic.
Isn't Gus the coordinator for the Chargers now? I think our streak of losses will end soon.
(06-20-2017, 02:49 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 06:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes - Rivers is keen to pick us apart - but I just have a lot more confidence in this defense now that the Bradley effect has been removed and the secondary has been improved. The past two meeting of the Jags/bolts featured very poor defensive performance, coaching and game-planning. I'm hoping all three are improved.
Hopefully I'm not overly optimistic.
Isn't Gus the coordinator for the Chargers now? I think our streak of losses will end soon.
Bradley, despite not being able to manage an entire team - has shown that his defenses steadily improved no matter where he was. I would not be so fast to dismiss his abilities as a coordinator. There is still a fair amount of blame to be placed on the GM who dismantled the roster, made poor draft choices and spent premier dollars on average stop-gap players.
(06-20-2017, 02:57 AM)TheAll22 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-20-2017, 02:49 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't Gus the coordinator for the Chargers now? I think our streak of losses will end soon.
Bradley, despite not being able to manage an entire team - has shown that his defenses steadily improved no matter where he was. I would not be so fast to dismiss his abilities as a coordinator. There is still a fair amount of blame to be placed on the GM who dismantled the roster, made poor draft choices and spent premier dollars on average stop-gap players.
No, I don't remember that at all.
His defenses here were bottom of the league for three years in all facets, and were still bottom of the league in scoring when he left.
He was a terrible coach that made his reputation on one season in Seattle. That doesn't mean the Jaguars will win or anything, but if they lose I doubt Bradley is a big contributor for them.
Not 100% sure. I see a lot of games this year where I feel we should outright win. At least seven wins. And then I see maybe four games where I look at them as measuring tools to see where this team could be in the future. And in those four games I expect a loss but it depends on how the loss goes. Will it be a close contest or a flat out [BLEEP] beating?
From the NFC West:
Seattle - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Arizona - Measuring Tool - We Lose
L.A Rams - I expect a win here
S.F 49ers - I expect a win here
From the AFC North:
Pittsburgh - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Baltimore - 50/50 but I expect a win against them in London
Cincinnati - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Cleveland - I expect a win here
From the AFC South:
I won't break this down in it's entirety but I expect a minimum of breaking even in the division and going 3 - 3. The tinhorns have a highly questionable offense. The clots aren't the same team anymore. With or without a healthy Luck I see them beatable. And the tacks are also beatable.
Odd Division Games:
L.A Chargers - 50/50 but I expect Rivers to run right through us as usual
N.Y Jets - I expect a win here
So that's really seven wins I expect at the minimum with 50/50 games going either way between the Chargers and Ravens where we could be potentially bumped up to an eight or nine win team. And I think that's reasonable expectations. I am sick of settling on a below average season as a fan.
(06-19-2017, 06:49 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags worry me the most. This team has a record of imploding and quick like.. If this team can get passed themselves, they have a chance.
(06-19-2017, 10:27 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]The Chargers, although I think we might actually beat them this year.
As for the Texans, I keep thinking their offense will be so bad that they'll end up being a bottom feeder this year regardless of how good their defense is.
I agree and this was my first thought. Our schedule is very winnable but this team needs to overcome them first.
(06-20-2017, 07:57 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Not 100% sure. I see a lot of games this year where I feel we should outright win. At least seven wins. And then I see maybe four games where I look at them as measuring tools to see where this team could be in the future. And in those four games I expect a loss but it depends on how the loss goes. Will it be a close contest or a flat out [BLEEP] beating?
From the NFC West:
Seattle - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Arizona - Measuring Tool - We Lose
L.A Rams - I expect a win here
S.F 49ers - I expect a win here
From the AFC North:
Pittsburgh - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Baltimore - 50/50 but I expect a win against them in London
Cincinnati - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Cleveland - I expect a win here
From the AFC South:
I won't break this down in it's entirety but I expect a minimum of breaking even in the division and going 3 - 3. The tinhorns have a highly questionable offense. The clots aren't the same team anymore. With or without a healthy Luck I see them beatable. And the tacks are also beatable.
Odd Division Games:
L.A Chargers - 50/50 but I expect Rivers to run right through us as usual
N.Y Jets - I expect a win here
So that's really seven wins I expect at the minimum with 50/50 games going either way between the Chargers and Ravens where we could be potentially bumped up to an eight or nine win team. And I think that's reasonable expectations. I am sick of settling on a below average season as a fan.
This is almost exactly my evaluation of the schedule (at this early stage) as well.
(06-20-2017, 07:57 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Not 100% sure. I see a lot of games this year where I feel we should outright win. At least seven wins. And then I see maybe four games where I look at them as measuring tools to see where this team could be in the future. And in those four games I expect a loss but it depends on how the loss goes. Will it be a close contest or a flat out [BLEEP] beating?
From the NFC West:
Seattle - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Arizona - Measuring Tool - We Lose
L.A Rams - I expect a win here
S.F 49ers - I expect a win here
From the AFC North:
Pittsburgh - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Baltimore - 50/50 but I expect a win against them in London
Cincinnati - Measuring Tool - We Lose
Cleveland - I expect a win here
From the AFC South:
I won't break this down in it's entirety but I expect a minimum of breaking even in the division and going 3 - 3. The tinhorns have a highly questionable offense. The clots aren't the same team anymore. With or without a healthy Luck I see them beatable. And the tacks are also beatable.
Odd Division Games:
L.A Chargers - 50/50 but I expect Rivers to run right through us as usual
N.Y Jets - I expect a win here
So that's really seven wins I expect at the minimum with 50/50 games going either way between the Chargers and Ravens where we could be potentially bumped up to an eight or nine win team. And I think that's reasonable expectations. I am sick of settling on a below average season as a fan.
If we can't rush the passer against Seattle, the Rams, or San Francisco, we have failed as a defense and will deserve to lose most likely.
I think we beat the Raven, and Cleveland will be a tougher game than most think.
Dalton has become a Phillip Rivers, Jr. when it comes to us, though now we should have the secondary to cover those receivers.
We SHOULD beat the Jets, but I could possibly see a young team still learning how to win coming off the London trip without a bye getting tripped up in the big apple.
(06-20-2017, 02:24 AM)TheAll22 Wrote: [ -> ]1 Seattle Seahawks 10 December 2017
I feel like this is the toughest game on the schedule as far as it’s positioning late in the season. The Jags have a favorable schedule and if they can finally scrap together some wins to keep the Divisional race close then this game sets up to be the game of the season. Seattle has one of the most complete teams in the league. They have solid foundational players at core positions. Youthful and Talented and will most likely be playing for a playoff or divisional position. If the Jaguars are in contention to win the usually languorously weak AFC South, then this game could be awesome to look forward to - with a ton of hype behind it if the circumstances go in the right way. This could be the game. The game that could show the league that the Jags are for real, or still a dud. Again, that’s if the Jaguars are contending in December. My hope is that the Jags can come into this game and potentially win or even remain competitive.
2 Cincinnati Bengals 5 November 2017
I think the Bengals are another team with a deep roster, they had a good off-season despite losing some starters on the O-Line. The Bengals will be fighting for the division (as we’ve come to expect from AFC North titles) and the Jags could be fighting to stay relevant or trying to break even and this could be a nice test to see where the team is with a good amount of football to be played. I ranked this game so high because of the Bengals talent as well as the time of year is a factor.
3-4 Tennessee 9/17, @ Tennessee 12/31
I’m going to say that Tennessee has the best team in the division. Mariota is a highly accurate precision passer who is in complete control of his offense. They have drafted extremely well since their GM has taken over. This roster is making Mike Malarkey look like a decent coach. I believe the first will be extremely important. A win in Houston would mean the Jags could take a commanding division lead while a loss in Houston would intensify the need to keep pace and keep the morale of fans and the team which is very fragile right now. I can’t stomach the thought of going 0-2 to Division opponents to start the Season.
My hope is that the December 31st match in Nashville will be a game of meaning. The burning rivalry between the two teams could be fueled once again by meaningful competition between us. I am beyond tired of playing for pride or trying to secure the top pick in the Draft. I’d hate to see a scenario where Tennessee is already holding the Division crown while the Jags have done well enough to miss out on the top QB, but poorly enough to be in the top 5. Sorry for the pessimism but it would be nice to be thinking about the playoffs on December 31st and not the off-season before week two ends. there is something erie to the fact that the Jaguars lose to Tennessee when it matters the most which can be frightening
5 @Pittsburgh Steelers 10/8
Week 5 in Pittsburgh could be a turning point for the Jags season and will be on of their toughest early tests. Hopefully, we will have beaten the worst roster in the league the week before vs the Jets and upsetting the Steelers at home could give the Jags serious momentum going into mid-season. The Steelers are a team on the decline, but can still do some serious damage as Roethlisberger has some of the best skill players in the league on his side. Winning in Pittsburgh would be motivating early on.
6-7 @ Houston Texans 10 September 2017,
VS Houston Texans 17 December 2017
The first game of the season in Houston, the crowd is going be pumped and the atmosphere is going to be all Houston. The D-Line is healthy and hungry and they match up better. Robinson/Albert need to be ready for this game. Jags tackles have been turnstiles against Houston the past three seasons. This is the game where the Jags can set the tone to usher in a new era by beating a division rival on the road. This could be the most important road opener in the history of the Jaguars franchise. A win could represent the breaking of mediocrity and embarrassment. This is honestly about a deep level of pride. This team, this city is famished for success. The painful ache of losing can be relieved, even if only for a week by beating Houston in game one. Not to mention that Ramsey V. Hopkins sounds like a per-per-view match
The Second Match-Up is another keystone in the schedule. The Texans should be a bit more together at this point with their QB situation have taken full shape. I believe Savage will be the QB most of the season and my bet would be that they take Savage into the playoffs. I think Savage is going to show up and keep the job as long as he can. The Jags could have the chance to claim their first AFC South crown come December. I see the Texans as our biggest rival, the Jags need to come into these games with a sense of swagger and confidence and put these clowns in their place.
These two games are going to be trench-wars. The Jags are going to be pounding away and eating clock, while the Texans try to hide their offensive flaws for another season.
8-9 Indianapolis Colts 3 December 2017
@ Indianapolis Colts 12 October 2017
A home game vs Indy could set the last part of the season into the usual disappointment or offer a spark of hope for a playoff berth. I ranked this game as 5th most important because Indy plays well in Jacksonville and this game is getting toward the end of the season with one divisional game remaining. Assuming Luck is healthy and the Colts finally start having more success, this game could be a nightmare if things are clicking for them. The Jags have a defense that can make trouble for Andrew Luck and TY Hilton historically, but the Jags need to prove that they can win TOP and stop giving away points on turnovers.
The first game against Indianapolis might be a trap game since the Jags have had success in Indianapolis. Again, assuming Luck is healthy, the Colts should be a very formidable opponent despite their rather weak roster, Luck gives them a chance to win every week. I honestly don’t know which Colts team we will see this season. I could see them being dominant or remain in mediocrity if they continue to let Luck take a beating each weekend.
10 Los Angeles Chargers 12 December 2017
At least Philip “Jag Killer” Rivers will be coming to Jacksonville. Even at their worst, the Chargers dominance of the Jags is almost a conspiracy. I’d hate to see another shameful loss to a mediocre team with an average roster and somehwhat declining QB
11 @ Arizona Cardinals 26 November 2017
Arizona might have a rough season; they have several core players in decline and their roster has been picked apart. Similarly, to the Steelers contest, the Jags will travel to Tempe, hopefully handling the Browns easily the prior week, against an experienced group playing for a Division. This game represents an opportunity to stay alive and not let a declining team with a probably so-so record in late November
12-15 New York Jets, Los Angeles Rams, Cleveland Browns, San Francisco 49ers
These four teams all have downright pitiful Rosters that are as bad or worse than that of the Jaguars. All have equally hopeless QB situations for the most part. The 49ers and Browns both drafted well, but are still in an overhaul while the Rams and Jets have assembled god-awful rosters that could be competing for the top picks in the draft - so they should be a cupcake game right?
These games are dangerous for the very fact that they are trap games. The Jaguars have done their best to sabotage themselves against teams they should be beating like the Browns and Rams or in this years case the Jets who might have one of the worst rosters in the last decade. Please Jags, don’t lose to the GD-Jets
16 Baltimore Ravens in London 24 September 2017
This is the game that stresses me out the very least. A game on practically home turf where they have seen most of their success in the past three years, early in the season against a competitive team. Like the Jaguars the Ravens have had some serious overhaul and culture shift in some ways, the Ravens are tired of being average since winning their 2nd Super Bowl. Every game matters on every Sunday, but on the stress-oximeter, they fall on the Green side
I can agree with most of this but I'd swap the Bengals and Steelers. As I see it, the Steelers are likely winning their diivision with an extremely deep roster while the Bengals look to me like a team on the decline. I'm not about to concede the Bengals game.
The Patriots of course, as well as that of Seahawks. And Titans!
Who are we kidding? The team that worries me the most is the Jaguars.
Any team that can score more than 20?