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Did anyone ever ponder that "racism" is the normal state of things? That people tend to want to associate with others who are like themselves? That groups of like-minded people wish to work toward common goals? These aren't radical ideas, nor are they inherently hateful.

(08-23-2017, 12:46 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-23-2017, 04:12 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps they don't feel America is at a point where things are equal yet.

It's not?
Did we not just have an 8 year term POTUS?

If you're insinuating that because there are still racist people out there things aren't equal you're being silly.
Firstly, racists aren't going to ever ever ever disappear.
Secondly, african-americans, hispanics, caucasians, jews, irish, italians... they all have the same equal rights.

They don't all have the same UPBRINGING and home and social moralities....
Which isn't the government or other races bringing them down.

You took a lot from a relatively simple line suggesting why people might be protesting.

I'm neither an American nor am I minority. I have no idea what day to day life is like in America. All I can say is there seems to be a large amount of Americans unhappy with how things are and from the sounds of it don't feel like they are all on an equal footing for various reasons.

(08-23-2017, 02:10 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-23-2017, 07:24 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]We don't agree much Dakota but you hit the nail on the head. Where was all this when Obama was in office? Nobody gave a crap of the Confederate flags and statues then. Why? It's just something for the left to cry about.

When you have a NAZI Racist in public office it heightens the awareness. That, and the fact that our country has gone totally off the deep end ....

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The guy left office in january

(08-23-2017, 06:58 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-23-2017, 12:46 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]It's not?
Did we not just have an 8 year term POTUS?

If you're insinuating that because there are still racist people out there things aren't equal you're being silly.
Firstly, racists aren't going to ever ever ever disappear.
Secondly, african-americans, hispanics, caucasians, jews, irish, italians... they all have the same equal rights.

They don't all have the same UPBRINGING and home and social moralities....
Which isn't the government or other races bringing them down.

You took a lot from a relatively simple line suggesting why people might be protesting.

I'm neither an American nor am I minority. I have no idea what day to day life is like in America. All I can say is there seems to be a large amount of Americans unhappy with how things are and from the sounds of it don't feel like they are all on an equal footing for various reasons.

So you only know what you see on TV then? No wonder you're so ill-informed.

(08-23-2017, 07:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-23-2017, 06:58 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You took a lot from a relatively simple line suggesting why people might be protesting.

I'm neither an American nor am I minority. I have no idea what day to day life is like in America. All I can say is there seems to be a large amount of Americans unhappy with how things are and from the sounds of it don't feel like they are all on an equal footing for various reasons.

So you only know what you see on TV then? No wonder you're so ill-informed.

I don't really watch TV for news but point taken. All my info comes from here, the internet and a handful of people I know in America.

(08-22-2017, 06:16 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]You need not look past current events. BLM, removing Confederate monuments, etc. Yet the statue of malcolm x in NYC remains unfettered.

What are these people protesting? Slavery? It hasn't happened in decades. Living conditions? Every person has a chance to make a good life for themselves. So, what's the deal? What are all these people so upset about?

Discuss.

No, I'll stop you right there.

Through division, one will conquer.

It's not the minorities but the powers at be that want civil war. This has been ongoing since the earth cooled.

When we can find the similarities in ourselves instead of the differences, then we can unite. Until then, popscorns!

(08-23-2017, 02:53 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever ponder that "racism" is the normal state of things? That people tend to want to associate with others who are like themselves? That groups of like-minded people wish to work toward common goals? These aren't radical ideas, nor are they inherently hateful.

Nope. Not really. That would require too much common sense for all people of different color and creeds to comprehend. I mean, it's pretty evident white people have a hard time dealing with white people. That's why over 80% of homicides are committed by white people towards other white people. It's why over 90% of homicides are committed by black people towards other black people.

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(08-23-2017, 09:26 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-23-2017, 07:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]So you only know what you see on TV then? No wonder you're so ill-informed.
I don't really watch TV for news but point taken. All my info comes from here, the internet and a handful of people I know in America.

Oh dear lord, you get "facts" from here?

Have you seen the people who post here???????? Banana

(08-24-2017, 11:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-23-2017, 09:26 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really watch TV for news but point taken. All my info comes from here, the internet and a handful of people I know in America.

Oh dear lord, you get "facts" from here?

Have you seen the people who post here????????

Haha, not facts no. It offers some insight into the left-right divide.

(08-22-2017, 06:16 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]You need not look past current events. BLM, removing Confederate monuments, etc. Yet the statue of malcolm x in NYC remains unfettered.

What are these people protesting? Slavery? It hasn't happened in decades. Living conditions? Every person has a chance to make a good life for themselves. So, what's the deal? What are all these people so upset about?

Discuss.

http://www.newsweek.com/dylann-roof-conf...war-344797

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati.../75573966/

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/09/...ainst.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...a07b7eeef9

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/10/us/white-s...index.html

https://www.propublica.org/article/when-...upremacist

Yeah...we minorities are trying to start a race war. Rolleyes

Black Lives Matter, despite what Fox, Breitbart, and Alex Jones drums into your head, was not designed to be anti white. It was designed to stop unjust police killings of blacks. There is a huge difference between being anti police brutality and anti white (unless you believe police function for the sole protection of whites).

The recent momentum against Confederate monuments (not WHITE monuments) was begun by Republican Nikki Haley, in the aftermath of the Dylan Roof massacre.

No, slavery hasn't happened in decades. But the insinuation that slavery has no lingering effects today is ridiculous on many levels.

If you consider yourself a patriotic, Christian American who at least believes in the 2nd Amendment, who has at least benefited from modern transportation mediums, your whole life has been impacted by things that happened and people who lived decades and even millenia ago

You revere confederates who formed their bigoted and traitorous entity 156 years ago.

For the past few months, the sports world and beyond have debated Colin Kaepernick's refusal to stand for the national anthem, which was penned in 1814-203 years ago.

We assert our freedoms, right, and limits on government based upon the Constitution, ratified in 1788-229 years ago. Based on your logic, because these rights were created centuries before we were born, we, in no way benefit from them.

Your love of guns is based on an invention from 1394 (623 years ago)-the gun- which was based on a discovery-gun powder- discovered around 850 AD, roughly 1200 years ago.

If you think Islam presents a problem for the world and negatively impacts people and policy, or if you think it represents a positive force in the world, it is based upon a guy born in 570 A.D., roughly 1500 years ago.

If you are Christian, your faith is grounded in a man who died roughly 2000 years ago. Some estimates put the Ten Commandments having been written circa 1513 B.C.-over 3500 years ago.

If you have ever driven anywhere, if you have ever landed safely in a plane, if you have ever had anything shipped by truck or train, you benefited by a technology-the wheel-invented 3500 BC-over 5000 years ago.

If something that happened over 5000 years ago can impact modern life, something that dominated the lives of people for centuries, ending less than 200 years ago, can have lingering and negative impacts.

You have a misunderstanding of our rights. Those rights were not created by the Constitution or any government, they are inherent. Your rights were there with you at the moment of conception and are inalienable. Guns represent the right to self defense and the armed opposition to tyranny. Guns being the best example since they are what the armies of the time used, but "arms" refers to the right to keep and carry weapons and those rights extend to any current or future conventional weapons that we might invent.

(08-26-2017, 03:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You have a misunderstanding of our rights. Those rights were not created by the Constitution or any government, they are inherent. Your rights were there with you at the moment of conception and are inalienable. Guns represent the right to self defense and the armed opposition to tyranny. Guns being the best example since they are what the armies of the time used, but "arms" refers to the right to keep and carry weapons and those rights extend to any current or future conventional weapons that we might invent.

This is so wrong it's laughable.

One word. Abortion

You have just been discredited, my friend.

(08-26-2017, 03:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You have a misunderstanding of our rights. Those rights were not created by the Constitution or any government, they are inherent. Your rights were there with you at the moment of conception and are inalienable. Guns represent the right to self defense and the armed opposition to tyranny. Guns being the best example since they are what the armies of the time used, but "arms" refers to the right to keep and carry weapons and those rights extend to any current or future conventional weapons that we might invent.

And try telling Hitler, Stalin, etc., etc., about those inherent rights. See how far that gets you.

Your "rights" are what you and your fellow citizens can make and keep. And they can be taken away by a relatively small number of people in a relatively small amount of time.

(08-26-2017, 03:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You have a misunderstanding of our rights. Those rights were not created by the Constitution or any government, they are inherent. Your rights were there with you at the moment of conception and are inalienable. Guns represent the right to self defense and the armed opposition to tyranny. Guns being the best example since they are what the armies of the time used, but "arms" refers to the right to keep and carry weapons and those rights extend to any current or future conventional weapons that we might invent.

That's funny.

People all over the world have their supposedly inalienable rights alienated all of the time.

(08-26-2017, 04:25 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2017, 03:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You have a misunderstanding of our rights. Those rights were not created by the Constitution or any government, they are inherent. Your rights were there with you at the moment of conception and are inalienable. Guns represent the right to self defense and the armed opposition to tyranny. Guns being the best example since they are what the armies of the time used, but "arms" refers to the right to keep and carry weapons and those rights extend to any current or future conventional weapons that we might invent.

And try telling Hitler, Stalin, etc., etc., about those inherent rights. See how far that gets you.

Your "rights" are what you and your fellow citizens can make and keep. And they can be taken away by a relatively small number of people in a relatively small amount of time.

This.

(08-26-2017, 04:10 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2017, 03:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You have a misunderstanding of our rights. Those rights were not created by the Constitution or any government, they are inherent. Your rights were there with you at the moment of conception and are inalienable. Guns represent the right to self defense and the armed opposition to tyranny. Guns being the best example since they are what the armies of the time used, but "arms" refers to the right to keep and carry weapons and those rights extend to any current or future conventional weapons that we might invent.

This is so wrong it's laughable.

One word. Abortion

You have just been discredited, my friend.

Hardly, it's no different than any other murder. Just because the law forbids it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just because the law permits doesn't mean it's moral.

(08-26-2017, 04:25 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2017, 03:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You have a misunderstanding of our rights. Those rights were not created by the Constitution or any government, they are inherent. Your rights were there with you at the moment of conception and are inalienable. Guns represent the right to self defense and the armed opposition to tyranny. Guns being the best example since they are what the armies of the time used, but "arms" refers to the right to keep and carry weapons and those rights extend to any current or future conventional weapons that we might invent.

And try telling Hitler, Stalin, etc., etc., about those inherent rights. See how far that gets you.

Your "rights" are what you and your fellow citizens can make and keep. And they can be taken away by a relatively small number of people in a relatively small amount of time.

And that's why brilliant men codified the right to self defense in our country, because the one constant in human nature is to exert one's will over another. That's why Hitler, Stalin, et al. had to be informed by the point of a gun, and why their primary strategy for evil was to remove weapons from the population. And it's why we don't stop fighting their political descendants in our country who want us to follow that path.

I'm not really shocked that you guys don't understand the basic premises of our country, it explains why you feel about it as you do.

(08-22-2017, 06:16 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]You need not look past current events. BLM, removing Confederate monuments, etc. Yet the statue of malcolm x in NYC remains unfettered.

What are these people protesting? Slavery? It hasn't happened in decades. Living conditions? Every person has a chance to make a good life for themselves. So, what's the deal? What are all these people so upset about?

Discuss.

You're painting things with a broad brush with the title of this thread.

I'm a "minority" and certainly not trying to start a civil war.

What (I think) your thread/post is about has more to do with far leftists than race.

While a group like BLM may have started with good intentions as Bullseye talked about, they aren't perceived in that way. The group has been hijacked by far left groups that do very bad things in their name. While I don't necessarily agree with Bullseye about "unjust police killings of black people", I can certainly understand it.

As far as taking down and/or destroying monuments (confederate or otherwise), I don't think that it's about race (minorities) it's more about far leftists trying to erase history. Many of these monuments have been in place for how many years? And they are just now "offensive"? That's not a race thing, it's a far left ideology thing.

It's no different than "atheists" being "offended" by a cross in the middle of the desert. These "atheists" are nothing more than far left wing people.

(08-26-2017, 07:09 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2017, 04:10 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]This is so wrong it's laughable.

One word. Abortion

You have just been discredited, my friend.

Hardly, it's no different than any other murder. Just because the law forbids it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just because the law permits doesn't mean it's moral.

How can it be murder if it is happening hundreds of times daily? As it stands people don't have rights at the point of conception.

It's not even debatable.

(08-26-2017, 07:35 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2017, 07:09 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Hardly, it's no different than any other murder. Just because the law forbids it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just because the law permits doesn't mean it's moral.

How can it be murder if it is happening hundreds of times daily? As it stands people don't have rights at the point of conception.

It's not even debatable.

Have not all the great genocides been murder even though the individual slaughter happened thousands of times daily? They have the rights, they are simply oppressed as the Left would have us be.

I think it would be good to realize that, the leftists and the rightists who seem to be daily rioting, vandalizing, battling in the streets-- these people are the tiniest slice of the American population.

Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, blacks and whites, play golf together, go to parties together, and are married to each other. 99.99% of the population think the .01% of the population that are acting out in the streets ought to go home, get a job, do something else, and in many cases, go to jail.

This whole idea of a "civil war" is ridiculous. People watch too much TV news and think this stuff is happening right outside their door.

I play golf with liberals and conservatives. And we get along great. We share a few pitchers of beer afterwards and laugh about the political situation.

Let's not be ridiculous. There's no "civil war" brewing except in the heads of some of the extreme media who are ginning up the drama to get more clicks on their websites.

And to anyone who really thinks there is some sort of "civil war" brewing, I say, turn off the TV, turn off the radio, get off the internet, get out of the house and meet some real people.

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