(09-02-2017, 11:49 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 11:07 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]You guys vastly underestimate how important it is to have a third-down back that can pass block. I've seen it written more than once in my life that coaches has patience with young backs who aren't useful in the passing game, even young runners that struggle to find the second level more often than not, but a back that can't protect the QB in passing situations will find his way to the bench very quickly.
Case in point: Lawrence Phillips. Steve Young's career was ended because Lawrence Phillips whiffed on a pass block and got him killed. Granted, Phillips had more than his fair share of issues anyway, but it's worth noting that after the 49ers gave up on him later on in that year, he never played for an NFL team again.
If Yeldon truly is the best pass blocker at the position on the team, you keep him, even if we are trotting out the NFL equivalent of junior varsity cheerleaders at the QB spot.
No. You find another good pass blocker after cuts, who is a better runner than Yeldon (that shouldn't be hard.)
By that logic, you hold onto Yeldon and see if someone better hits waivers. Cutting him before you have a replacement could leave with with Chris Ivory as a third-down back.
(09-02-2017, 11:07 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]You guys vastly underestimate how important it is to have a third-down back that can pass block. I've seen it written more than once in my life that coaches has patience with young backs who aren't useful in the passing game, even young runners that struggle to find the second level more often than not, but a back that can't protect the QB in passing situations will find his way to the bench very quickly.
Case in point: Lawrence Phillips. Steve Young's career was ended because Lawrence Phillips whiffed on a pass block and got him killed. Granted, Phillips had more than his fair share of issues anyway, but it's worth noting that after the 49ers gave up on him later on in that year, he never played for an NFL team again.
If Yeldon truly is the best pass blocker at the position on the team, you keep him, even if we are trotting out the NFL equivalent of junior varsity cheerleaders at the QB spot.
Ridiculous. Yeldon is a chronic fumbler who can't stay healthy and has a tendency to dance in the backfield when he's given a chance to carry anyway. If you need someone on third down to block and be a pass catching option line one of the TEs up as an H back.
(09-02-2017, 11:54 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 11:49 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]No. You find another good pass blocker after cuts, who is a better runner than Yeldon (that shouldn't be hard.)
By that logic, you hold onto Yeldon and see if someone better hits waivers. Cutting him before you have a replacement could leave with with Chris Ivory as a third-down back.
I'd rather play Ivory as a 3rd down back than Yeldon. I'd rather have
anyone than Yeldon. In my eyes, he is completely useless. You say see if someone better hits waivers and I'm telling you someone better
will hit waivers. It's inevitable, because Yeldon set the bar so low.
(09-02-2017, 11:58 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 11:54 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]By that logic, you hold onto Yeldon and see if someone better hits waivers. Cutting him before you have a replacement could leave with with Chris Ivory as a third-down back.
I'd rather play Ivory as a 3rd down back than Yeldon. I'd rather have anyone than Yeldon. In my eyes, he is completely useless. You say see if someone better hits waivers and I'm telling you someone better will hit waivers. It's inevitable, because Yeldon set the bar so low.
Then you replace Yeldon. I'm fine with that. If a guy has no role, like most of the guys we're cutting don't, then release them. If a guy is young, cheap, and the best on the team at a certain job, don't cut him until you've got an upgrade. If an upgrade presents itself this weekend, but all means cut Yeldon loose and get the guy. If not, don't kill your ox without finding a new way to plow the field.
(09-02-2017, 12:01 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 11:58 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'd rather play Ivory as a 3rd down back than Yeldon. I'd rather have anyone than Yeldon. In my eyes, he is completely useless. You say see if someone better hits waivers and I'm telling you someone better will hit waivers. It's inevitable, because Yeldon set the bar so low.
Then you replace Yeldon. I'm fine with that. If a guy has no role, like most of the guys we're cutting don't, then release them. If a guy is young, cheap, and the best on the team at a certain job, don't cut him until you've got an upgrade. If an upgrade presents itself this weekend, but all means cut Yeldon loose and get the guy. If not, don't kill your ox without finding a new way to plow the field.
Yeldon is no ox, he's more like a broken hoe. We haven't been able to plow our field, because all we had was that broken hoe.
I have this feeling that Yeldon is getting the Bortles treatment from DC, he is going to hold onto his top picks for as long as he can until he has exhausted every opportunity for them to show.
(09-02-2017, 09:47 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]He offers nothing of value that warrants a roster spot. IMO, being strong in pass protection is not a big value to even beat out what's on the roster.
Not getting the QB blown up on 3rd and long and being able to catch the ball on drop off plays on a consistent basis offers nothing of value?
Yall need to stop looking at where he was drafted and look at what he does bring to the team, Ivory and Grant are awful at blocking, we just dont know about Fournette yet since he is a rookie.
Yeldon has a lot of value on this team
(09-02-2017, 08:40 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell's record with high draft picks is atrocious. Bust after bust....
Then he followed those three fouls with a home run.
(09-02-2017, 01:32 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 08:40 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell's record with high draft picks is atrocious. Bust after bust....
Then he followed those three fouls with a home run.
Who? I hope you don't mean Jalen Ramsey, because if a GM wiffs on Joeckel, Bortles, Fowler, and then finally hits on his 4th top 5 pick - he should have been gone already.
Dave Caldwell is a major reason why the Jaguars have more losses than other NFL team in the past 5 years. Time to cut ties and bring in someone better.
(09-02-2017, 11:58 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 11:54 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]By that logic, you hold onto Yeldon and see if someone better hits waivers. Cutting him before you have a replacement could leave with with Chris Ivory as a third-down back.
I'd rather play Ivory as a 3rd down back than Yeldon. I'd rather have anyone than Yeldon. In my eyes, he is completely useless. You say see if someone better hits waivers and I'm telling you someone better will hit waivers. It's inevitable, because Yeldon set the bar so low.
Have you SEEN Ivory try to pick up a block? It's laughable at best.
(09-02-2017, 02:10 PM)mvannostran Wrote: [ -> ]Have you SEEN Ivory try to pick up a block? It's laughable at best.
Makes you wonder how in the hell someone could be so inept at it after seven friggin seasons of football.
(09-02-2017, 01:50 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 01:32 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]Then he followed those three fouls with a home run.
Who? I hope you don't mean Jalen Ramsey, because if a GM wiffs on Joeckel, Bortles, Fowler, and then finally hits on his 4th top 5 pick - he should have been gone already.
Dave Caldwell is a major reason why the Jaguars have more losses than other NFL team in the past 5 years. Time to cut ties and bring in someone better.
Did you ever consider the fact that a good head coach would have made all three of those players better than they were with Gus Bradley? How about the fact that Dante Fowler was injured his entire rookie season? Dave Caldwell made big mistakes on those two, obviously, but I have no reason to doubt the coaches held them back.
Yeldon is just a guy. His blocking is his greatest asset. We can find ways to compensate for that.
(09-02-2017, 01:19 PM)J-Mizzal Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2017, 09:47 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]He offers nothing of value that warrants a roster spot. IMO, being strong in pass protection is not a big value to even beat out what's on the roster.
Not getting the QB blown up on 3rd and long and being able to catch the ball on drop off plays on a consistent basis offers nothing of value?
Yall need to stop looking at where he was drafted and look at what he does bring to the team, Ivory and Grant are awful at blocking, we just dont know about Fournette yet since he is a rookie.
Yeldon has a lot of value on this team
"Yeldon has a lot of value".........as long as it is just blocking on third down. Nobody cares where he was drafted and from whom. He isn't worthy a roster spot, yet he still lingers on this roster, stealing a valuable spot. When do you think Yeldon will actually get on the field to show that world class blocking ability? I would have took Cook over Yeldon. Yeldon must have pics of Dave's wife from the X-mas party!