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Its not just Blake its the whole team. When people are held accountable they don't make stupid mistakes. Look at how much more disciplined everyone is playing. The defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down under Gus and if they made a stop Fowler would have a personal foul. Remember the delay of game on the kickoff..lol. The team was so undisciplined from top to bottom it was disgusting. Gus Bradley was a total buffoon of a head coach and it will be clearly evident as this season goes along.

(09-15-2017, 10:58 AM)Rooster Wrote: [ -> ]Its not just Blake its the whole team.  When people are held accountable they don't make stupid mistakes.  Look at how much more disciplined everyone is playing.  The defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down under Gus and if they made a stop Fowler would have a personal foul.  Remember the delay of game on the kickoff..lol.  The team was so undisciplined from top to bottom it was disgusting.  Gus Bradley was a total buffoon of a head coach and it will be clearly evident as this season goes along.

This is also very true.

Blake has only thrown one interception in his last 163 pass attempts. Just so you know, that's not only good, that's extremely good, even by Tom Brady standards.

(09-15-2017, 10:58 AM)Rooster Wrote: [ -> ]Its not just Blake its the whole team.  When people are held accountable they don't make stupid mistakes.  Look at how much more disciplined everyone is playing.  The defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down under Gus and if they made a stop Fowler would have a personal foul.  Remember the delay of game on the kickoff..lol.  The team was so undisciplined from top to bottom it was disgusting.  Gus Bradley was a total buffoon of a head coach and it will be clearly evident as this season goes along.

No INTs but 3 fumbles, 2 recovered by the defense. I'm confident Bortles is still going to break your hearts this year. 11/21 for 125 last week even with the run game going strong?

The qb position is not what it was a few years ago. Out side of Brady and Rodgers who is really a dominant qb? You can rank them who really will win 13 games a year solely on qb ability? No one. That era of football is over. Just look at the games. Look at what th chiefs did. What we did. That is what the league is turning into now. Heavy passing attacks look extremely weak right now. It a reason the top 7 rushing teams all won this past weekend.

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(09-15-2017, 11:30 AM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ]No INTs but 3 fumbles, 2 recovered by the defense.  I'm confident Bortles is still going to break your hearts this year.  11/21 for 125 last week even with the run game going strong?

Your hope is all you have until Sunday. 2 more days until 0-2

(09-15-2017, 11:31 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]The qb position is not what it was a few years ago. Out side of Brady and Rodgers who is really a dominant qb? You can rank them who really will win 13 games a year solely on qb ability? No one. That era of football is over. Just look at the games. Look at what th chiefs did. What we did. That is what the league is turning into now. Heavy passing attacks look extremely weak right now. It a reason the top 7 rushing teams all won this past weekend.

Hunt ripped it up on the ground but Smith also threw for 368 and 4 TDs. I don't think what "they did" and what "you did" is all that comparable.

(09-15-2017, 11:30 AM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ]No INTs but 3 fumbles, 2 recovered by the defense.  I'm confident Bortles is still going to break your hearts this year.  11/21 for 125 last week even with the run game going strong?

The running game is why he only attempted 21 passes. He also suffered 4 drops from receivers and a TE in that game.  Two of them for what should have been big gains.  But of course - every QB suffers drops. 
 
Still -  this thread (from my perspective)  is about a coaching staff trying to turn a poorly performing QB into one that doesn't single-handedly give away games. 
They are making strides in that direction, clearly. 

Can Bortles still go out there and make costly errors when asked to throw it 35 times?  Absolutely. Very possible.  Many would say "likely."  
But the new regime is bent on him not having to do that and it's starting to click.  Sunday will tell us just how much it's clicking IMO.

(09-15-2017, 11:34 AM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2017, 11:31 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]The qb position is not what it was a few years ago. Out side of Brady and Rodgers who is really a dominant qb? You can rank them who really will win 13 games a year solely on qb ability? No one. That era of football is over. Just look at the games. Look at what th chiefs did. What we did. That is what the league is turning into now. Heavy passing attacks look extremely weak right now. It a reason the top 7 rushing teams all won this past weekend.

Hunt ripped it up on the ground but Smith also threw for 368 and 4 TDs.  I don't think what "they did" and what "you did" is all that comparable.

I'll give you that. Those passing yards made it a blowout. I'm more so focused on controlling the game running but Ill concede that to you. But I've watched Bortles carve up this tacks teams basically since he's been in the league. He is capable of that against you guys so this should be a major concern of yours.

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There really aren't many and that can drop back that many times and be successful anyway. Qb play is down in the league and it's smart for the coaching staff to place an emphasis on running the ball with the pass complementing the ground game. Unless you got Brady or Rodgers I really don't want my guy dropping back 35 plus times a game. You have to be really good to do that and that to me is why football is looking trash league wide. To many teams have gotten hellbent on forcing their guy to be the next Manning. Just play football how it was intended to be played

(09-15-2017, 11:30 AM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ]No INTs but 3 fumbles, 2 recovered by the defense.  I'm confident Bortles is still going to break your hearts this year.  11/21 for 125 last week even with the run game going strong?

According to PFF Bortles played better than Mariota.

The good news for all of us is we can see if the Jaguars really are as good as they looked in Sunday or if they're going to resume their Gus Bradley performances.

Still they've been led by Marrone for three full games and for all of them they've been much better than they were under Gus.

With each passing week it's looking more and more like you won't be able to count on the Jaguars performing under their talent level, and the team has a stronger talent level than the rest of the division in my opinion.

(09-15-2017, 10:58 AM)Rooster Wrote: [ -> ]Its not just Blake its the whole team.  When people are held accountable they don't make stupid mistakes.  Look at how much more disciplined everyone is playing.  The defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down under Gus and if they made a stop Fowler would have a personal foul.  Remember the delay of game on the kickoff..lol.  The team was so undisciplined from top to bottom it was disgusting.  Gus Bradley was a total buffoon of a head coach and it will be clearly evident as this season goes along.

Actually, the Jags D last year was very good at getting off the field on 3rd downs and got better at it as the season went along.  They ended up 10th in the league for the year at it and were one of the best down the stretch.  They were very good during the last two games under Marrone, but this trend started while Gus was still here.  Gus isn't/wasn't a bad defensive coach/coordinator.  He just isn't suited to be a head coach with his poor game/clock management and the defensive talent didn't mature and gel in time to be able to nullify some of the mistakes made on offense.

Makes sense that if Bortles isn't throwing interceptions then people would be saying, "But look at his fumbles!" Same amount of fumbles as Aaron Rodgers in roughly the same amount of pass attempts and sacks.

If Bortles isn't playing down by two scores , has a semblance of a run game, isn't constantly throwing in 3rd and longs, backed up onto his own side of the field the entire game, then he can have success as an NFL quarterback. I know, shocking, right?

(09-15-2017, 11:49 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2017, 11:30 AM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ]No INTs but 3 fumbles, 2 recovered by the defense.  I'm confident Bortles is still going to break your hearts this year.  11/21 for 125 last week even with the run game going strong?

According to PFF Bortles played better than Mariota.

The good news for all of us is we can see if the Jaguars really are as good as they looked in Sunday or if they're going to resume their Gus Bradley performances.

Still they've been led by Marrone for three full games and for all of them they've been much better than they were under Gus.

With each passing week it's looking more and more like you won't be able to count on the Jaguars performing under their talent level, and the team has a stronger talent level than the rest of the division in my opinion.

I think it's obvious from what we saw Sunday that the goofy Gus days are far behind us. Discipline and good physical conditioning are two hallmarks of a Marrone team.

(09-15-2017, 11:54 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Makes sense that if Bortles isn't throwing interceptions then people would be saying, "But look at his fumbles!"  Same amount of fumbles as Aaron Rodgers in roughly the same amount of pass attempts and sacks.

If Bortles isn't playing down by two scores , has a semblance of a run game, isn't constantly throwing in 3rd and longs, backed up onto his own side of the field the entire game, then he can have success as an NFL quarterback.  I know, shocking, right?

Take a chill pill.  2 turnovers in the last 3 games by any QB is an acceptable amount.  The OP said mistakes had been mitigated under Marrone and they have, but the absence of mentioning the fumbles could and probably did lead some to believe that no turnovers had been committed which isn't true.

(09-15-2017, 12:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2017, 11:54 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Makes sense that if Bortles isn't throwing interceptions then people would be saying, "But look at his fumbles!"  Same amount of fumbles as Aaron Rodgers in roughly the same amount of pass attempts and sacks.

If Bortles isn't playing down by two scores , has a semblance of a run game, isn't constantly throwing in 3rd and longs, backed up onto his own side of the field the entire game, then he can have success as an NFL quarterback.  I know, shocking, right?

Take a chill pill.  2 turnovers in the last 3 games by any QB is an acceptable amount.  The OP said mistakes had been mitigated under Marrone and they have, but the absence of mentioning the fumbles could and probably did lead some to believe that no turnovers had been committed which isn't true.

I see and appreciate your point/intent - but the two fumbles were actually cited in the OP.

(09-15-2017, 12:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2017, 12:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Take a chill pill.  2 turnovers in the last 3 games by any QB is an acceptable amount.  The OP said mistakes had been mitigated under Marrone and they have, but the absence of mentioning the fumbles could and probably did lead some to believe that no turnovers had been committed which isn't true.

I see and appreciate your point/intent - but the two fumbles were actually cited in the OP.

Of course it was.  

Maybe I should take the pill, but I see what was meant as a positive thread about Bortles beginning to be spun into a negative one. I simply get tired of the uninformed informing people with half facts and misinformation.

(09-15-2017, 12:57 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe I should take the pill, but I see what was meant as a positive thread about Bortles beginning to be spun into a negative one.  I simply get tired of the uninformed informing people with half facts and misinformation.

(09-15-2017, 11:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The running game is why he only attempted 21 passes. He also suffered 4 drops from receivers and a TE in that game.  Two of them for what should have been big gains.  But of course - every QB suffers drops. 
 
Still -  this thread (from my perspective)  is about a coaching staff trying to turn a poorly performing QB into one that doesn't single-handedly give away games. 
They are making strides in that direction, clearly. 

Can Bortles still go out there and make costly errors when asked to throw it 35 times?  Absolutely. Very possible.  Many would say "likely."  
But the new regime is bent on him not having to do that and it's starting to click.  Sunday will tell us just how much it's clicking IMO.

Not so much the lack of attempts I was talking about so much as the 52% completion percentage. That's all well and good when you're in control all game long thanks to your defense and run game. I'll be interested to see how he does when one or both of those units are struggling and he has to put the game on his shoulders.

No doubt he's been better under Marrone. Still a pretty small sample size at this point though.

(09-15-2017, 01:14 PM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2017, 11:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The running game is why he only attempted 21 passes. He also suffered 4 drops from receivers and a TE in that game.  Two of them for what should have been big gains.  But of course - every QB suffers drops. 
 
Still -  this thread (from my perspective)  is about a coaching staff trying to turn a poorly performing QB into one that doesn't single-handedly give away games. 
They are making strides in that direction, clearly. 

Can Bortles still go out there and make costly errors when asked to throw it 35 times?  Absolutely. Very possible.  Many would say "likely."  
But the new regime is bent on him not having to do that and it's starting to click.  Sunday will tell us just how much it's clicking IMO.

Not so much the lack of attempts I was talking about so much as the 52% completion percentage. That's all well and good when you're in control all game long thanks to your defense and run game. I'll be interested to see how he does when one or both of those units are struggling and he has to put the game on his shoulders.

No doubt he's been better under Marrone. Still a pretty small sample size at this point though.

This is the key.
Will Blake be able to make that crucial throw on 3rd and 8 late in the fourth
Great D and running can win you plenty of games but Blake will have to make plays when either faulters. During those situations is when I will judge him under Marrone