(09-15-2017, 01:14 PM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ] (09-15-2017, 11:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The running game is why he only attempted 21 passes. He also suffered 4 drops from receivers and a TE in that game. Two of them for what should have been big gains. But of course - every QB suffers drops.
Still - this thread (from my perspective) is about a coaching staff trying to turn a poorly performing QB into one that doesn't single-handedly give away games.
They are making strides in that direction, clearly.
Can Bortles still go out there and make costly errors when asked to throw it 35 times? Absolutely. Very possible. Many would say "likely."
But the new regime is bent on him not having to do that and it's starting to click. Sunday will tell us just how much it's clicking IMO.
Not so much the lack of attempts I was talking about so much as the 52% completion percentage. That's all well and good when you're in control all game long thanks to your defense and run game. I'll be interested to see how he does when one or both of those units are struggling and he has to put the game on his shoulders.
No doubt he's been better under Marrone. Still a pretty small sample size at this point though.
The problem with this line of thinking is that you are assuming qbs are supposed to be able to put the team on their back. Unless they are Brady or Rodgers, every other qb is practically incapable of doing that. As a fan of just football this is something I'm realizing. To win games you have to do multiple things well not just have a good qb. Getting a solid qb is hard enough and that is not good enough to win. Even a good qb need some other good aspects of a team to be successful. It takes a truly elite generational qb to overcomes major deficiencies on a football team.
(09-15-2017, 01:34 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with this line of thinking is that you are assuming qbs are supposed to be able to put the team on their back. Unless they are Brady or Rodgers, every other qb is practically incapable of doing that. As a fan of just football this is something I'm realizing. To win games you have to do multiple things well not just have a good qb. Getting a solid qb is hard enough and that is not good enough to win. Even a good qb need some other good aspects of a team to be successful. It takes a truly elite generational qb to overcomes major deficiencies on a football team.
I see where you're coming from. But there are going to be times throughout a season where every QB is asked to go out there and win it for their team. Even non-elite QBs are capable of doing it from time to time. Are you confident Bortles can? Not saying he can't, just asking a legitimate question.
Say your defense is amazing. Say LF is the second coming of Jim Brown. Say you guys do make the playoffs. You're going to be facing the best of the best when it comes to that point. Your defense could get matched up with the #1 offense. Your run game could get matched up with the #1 stop defense. Those are the times Bortles is going to prove he's worthy of being your starter.
Even the best units have bad days. Good teams find a way to overcome and win anyway. Occasionally a team can "hide their QB" and make a deep playoff run. But it's not the norm.
(09-15-2017, 01:50 PM)SDM Wrote: [ -> ] (09-15-2017, 01:34 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with this line of thinking is that you are assuming qbs are supposed to be able to put the team on their back. Unless they are Brady or Rodgers, every other qb is practically incapable of doing that. As a fan of just football this is something I'm realizing. To win games you have to do multiple things well not just have a good qb. Getting a solid qb is hard enough and that is not good enough to win. Even a good qb need some other good aspects of a team to be successful. It takes a truly elite generational qb to overcomes major deficiencies on a football team.
I see where you're coming from. But there are going to be times throughout a season where every QB is asked to go out there and win it for their team. Even non-elite QBs are capable of doing it from time to time. Are you confident Bortles can? Not saying he can't, just asking a legitimate question.
Say your defense is amazing. Say LF is the second coming of Jim Brown. Say you guys do make the playoffs. You're going to be facing the best of the best when it comes to that point. Your defense could get matched up with the #1 offense. Your run game could get matched up with the #1 stop defense. Those are the times Bortles is going to prove he's worthy of being your starter.
Even the best units have bad days. Good teams find a way to overcome and win anyway. Occasionally a team can "hide their QB" and make a deep playoff run. But it's not the norm.
Again just going off of how football works, if he can rely on a running game and defense but has to make plays on his own then yes I do believe he can. The issue the past few years he couldn't even get a three yard run out of the backs we had. The only way the ball moved was if he threw it. No qb will excel in that environment. And defenses that were stopping our run were not even stacking the box. Now if he plays against a team who is taking the run away because they focused on it, then yes I do believe he can make plays in that position.
Blake is not this horrible qb the media makes him out to be. He is capable with a team and coach around him.
(09-15-2017, 09:30 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-ja...terception
I've been going on and on about Marrone and Hackett mitigating Blake's mistakes to anyone who will listen.
Here's your proof.
Quote:Doug Marrone has apparently been very good for [font=Georgia,]Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles.[/font]
According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bortles has thrown a career-high 98 consecutive passes without an interception. That's a streak that dates to the Jaguars' 21-20 loss to Houston on Dec. 18, 2016 -- head coach Gus Bradley's final game.
Marrone took over as the interim coach for the final two games of the 2016 season and was hired as Bradley's replacement in January. Since Marrone has been in charge, Bortles has completed 63.3 percent of his passes (62 of 98) for 751 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions (though he did lose two fumbles).
You just had to go and jinx it, didn't ya?
Once we put the adults in charge, things sure changed in a hurry. Let's hope they stay changed.
Ok but he did throw a pick and a picked 2 pt play in preseason
(09-15-2017, 09:41 PM)myrick31 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok but he did throw a pick and a picked 2 pt play in preseason
Man, did you hyper extend your elbow with that reach?
(09-16-2017, 06:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-15-2017, 09:41 PM)myrick31 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok but he did throw a pick and a picked 2 pt play in preseason
Man, did you hyper extend your elbow with that reach?
lol...and he threw picks in practice too.
21 pass attempts Vs. 39 rushing attempts. It's pretty straight forward philosophy wise. Let your defense and running game win games and just let your QB manage the game. I don't have a problem with this approach as long as we're winning games.
The tacks struggled on the ground last week. And they really got away from their identity. In contrast, Mariota had 41 attempts Vs. 21 rushing attempts. And by looking at the box score they didn't really have to abandon the ground game like they did. Going into the final quarter last week they were only down by three points when it was 16 - 13.
Mularkey might start showing his ineptitude this year as a coach. I think Marrone and Hackett will gameplan better against Mularkey in tomorrow's contest. And I think they'll stand strong by their philosophy as long as the game is manageable and within a one score possession.
(09-15-2017, 10:21 AM)The Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]So when Marrone was the OC and Bortles sucked was Marrone still good for him?
The last time Marrone was an OC for anybody was in 2008 for the Saints. Not sure what that has to do with Bortles though.
(09-16-2017, 09:34 AM)HolsterHusto Wrote: [ -> ] (09-15-2017, 10:21 AM)The Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]So when Marrone was the OC and Bortles sucked was Marrone still good for him?
The last time Marrone was an OC for anybody was in 2008 for the Saints. Not sure what that has to do with Bortles though.
Give him a break. He's a tacks fan. He can't be expected to keep up with the NFL when he's busy "pleasing" his sister-wife.
(09-16-2017, 09:19 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The tacks struggled on the ground last week. And they really got away from their identity. In contrast, Mariota had 41 attempts Vs. 21 rushing attempts. And by looking at the box score they didn't really have to abandon the ground game like they did. Going into the final quarter last week they were only down by three points when it was 16 - 13.
Honestly, I think we panicked. The run game was getting stuffed early on and it became apparent that OAK was going to pretty much move the ball at will.
Something we've been discussing on our forum is that Murray ran against more stacked boxes last year than any other RB. And our OC has publicly stated that "we're just going to run right at the loaded boxes". We need to utilize the play action more as well as get Walker involved earlier on in this matchup. When we open up the offense Mariota generally tends to thrive (granted it didn't work out last week, but it happens). It still feels like they don't trust him as much as they should. They say he's our franchise QB, but they don't act like it.
Quote:Mularkey might start showing his ineptitude this year as a coach.
Start showing? Yeaaaah, we all already know the dude sucks.
This needs to be done
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Marcedes Lewis can't catch the flu.
He got to go
Great thread. Bortles is on fire...not
Bortles had a great day. So far he is 20-34, 223 YDS, 1 TD, 2 INT
Better than Marriota.
Having Bortles as the starting QB is like handing Marrone the keys to a Honda Civic, patting him on the butt and telling him to go win the Daytona 500!