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[\quote]Allen Robinson: Injury cost him a ton...could see cheaper 1 year prove it deal or let go...6-7 Million[\quote]

No chance he would accept this imo
Guessing he'll ask for at least 15 mil a year despite the ACL tear

(09-26-2017, 12:40 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2017, 11:51 PM)Jagzfanfromiowa Wrote: [ -> ]I know I've said it once before, but if this team continues to play like they did against the Ravens, DAVE deserves a ton of credit.  He built this team, and right now they're looking like they could become something's special.

Wait a sec... I think you forgot that any and all credit goes to Coughlin. All of the blame is reserved for Caldwell.

well according to some on here the entire front office is nothing more than a bunch of blithering idiots who don't know anything about anything, and it's just so obvious Mr Khan is moving the team that anyone who can't see it is a blithering idiot too. plus most people on this board believe they know more about running a NFL franchise than the people who have never done anything other than work in NFL franchises, and a good many posters want to trade away every player that we get that is good

(09-26-2017, 05:06 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2017, 01:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Pick the 2 you most want and sign them to front loaded deals that use up this year's cap space while being friendly in years 2 through 4.

If we ONLY get to pick 2... I go with Smith and AR15 
Haven't seen enough from Lee to say we NEED to keep him.
I'd like to keep Colvin, but if he can go get starter money, good on him.
Omameh has been playing well, so this is a tough one to let go... but I imagine we could draft a stud OG and not miss him.
Grant is a speedy back, in which you can probably find in any and every draft.
Myers lol

The thing with Grant and Myers is they are RFA...so they will be cheaply tendered and if you get a draft pick for them great but most likely you will 7th round tender them and keep them both...so they will be back next year barring injury or implosion.

(09-26-2017, 09:52 PM)areed018 Wrote: [ -> ]This is what I think Dave should do...
If bortles can finish around 3500+, 25+ tds and 12 or less interceptions sign him to an incentive based deal like mentioned earlier.

Let go of Poz, Lee, and colvin
Franchise arob
Sign Telvin to a long term deal

Sign the best guard in free agency
Sign a decent lb to replace Poz if they don't believe in Blair Brown
Draft a guard in the 1st
Draft a corner in the 2nd
Draft a qb in the 3rd
Draft oline in 4th and 5th
BAP rest of the draft

This should give us a great oline, which bortles can play well behind. 3rd round qb will provide competition and keep bortles working. Cole and dede can fill Lee's shoes.

I could definitely see Poz/Lee/Colvin walking in FA b/c Colvin will get more from someone than we probably want to pay and how much money can you sink into WRs with Hurns/Lee/ARob...and Westbrook waiting in the wings.

As far as your draft:
1st - Quenton Nelson!!!!  He would make letting Omameh walk bearable or be Cann replacement if Omameh resigned
2nd- TE - Mark Andrews ....there are a lot of decent late 1st/2nd round TE prospects...Mercedes is getting old and could even walk at years end.
3rd - Best Available RB - I see Ivory/Yeldon being let go at year end and 3rd round will probably have nice RB value to pair with LF.
4th - QB - Developmental Guy...Riley Fergusson/Kyle Allen or whoever might fall
5th-7th - BAP

(09-27-2017, 09:39 AM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2017, 09:52 PM)areed018 Wrote: [ -> ]This is what I think Dave should do...
If bortles can finish around 3500+, 25+ tds and 12 or less interceptions sign him to an incentive based deal like mentioned earlier.

Let go of Poz, Lee, and colvin
Franchise arob
Sign Telvin to a long term deal

Sign the best guard in free agency
Sign a decent lb to replace Poz if they don't believe in Blair Brown
Draft a guard in the 1st
Draft a corner in the 2nd
Draft a qb in the 3rd
Draft oline in 4th and 5th
BAP rest of the draft

This should give us a great oline, which bortles can play well behind. 3rd round qb will provide competition and keep bortles working. Cole and dede can fill Lee's shoes.

I could definitely see Poz/Lee/Colvin walking in FA b/c Colvin will get more from someone than we probably want to pay and how much money can you sink into WRs with Hurns/Lee/ARob...and Westbrook waiting in the wings.

As far as your draft:
1st - Quenton Nelson!!!!  He would make letting Omameh walk bearable or be Cann replacement if Omameh resigned
2nd- TE - Mark Andrews ....there are a lot of decent late 1st/2nd round TE prospects...Mercedes is getting old and could even walk at years end.
3rd - Best Available RB - I see Ivory/Yeldon being let go at year end and 3rd round will probably have nice RB value to pair with LF.
4th - QB - Developmental Guy...Riley Fergusson/Kyle Allen or whoever might fall
5th-7th - BAP

No thanks on RB in the 3rd, would rather go QB or oline.  I like the idea of Orlando Brown in the first.  Parnell has played pretty good but he will be 32 next year and Brown is a beast a 330+ pounds.  Good be our road grader and is also good in pass pro. 

1. Orlando Brown
2. Baker Mayfield
3. G
4. TE
5. BPA
6. BPA
7. BPA

I give credit to TC and Marrone if the team does well, not Caldwell.

D.C. Has been learning on the job for too long for me to credit the teams success to him.

(09-29-2017, 12:08 AM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ]I give credit to TC and Marrone if the team does well, not Caldwell.

D.C. Has been learning on the job for too long for me to credit the teams success to him.

 Both deserve credit. Caldwell has amassed the most TALENT/potential on one team in Jags history; yes I said it. 

  This team is more talented than the 14-2 Jags team. Talent doesn't win games but the future is bright with potential.

Dave deserves a lot of credit for the talent on the roster. Even if you give TC credit for all of this years acquisitions (which would be ridiculous). That represents a fraction of the talent spread across this team.

Dave deserves a ton of blame for hiring and keeping Bradley. This decision clearly stunted the growth of the team and cost us more wins than we will ever know. However, if we succeed or fail this year, he has been a huge part of it.

Dave Caldwell deserves BLAME for his Bortles draft pick. In fact, he should be fired for it.

(10-02-2017, 03:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Dave Caldwell deserves BLAME for his Bortles draft pick. In fact, he should be fired for it.

Though Dave Caldwell is still employed by the Jaguars,  the reality is he lost the autonomy associated with his job when Tom Coughlin was brought back to the organization.   Probably,  in significant part because of how Blake Bortles selection turned out.

Even with many quality players brought to the organization by Caldwell prior to this year,   the numerous mistakes he made will likely prevent him from having final say as an NFL G.M. again.

(10-02-2017, 03:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Dave Caldwell deserves BLAME for his Bortles draft pick. In fact, he should be fired for it.

Part1: Bortles
I have no issue with the selection, Despite that, I got killed for bemoaning the pick the day of the draft. Dave thought he had a QB, he took him and for the first two years, it seemed like there was something there. FFWD: It's not working out. I'm not even upset that DC kept him this season or extended the 5th year option.

The issue is that Bortles had serious flaws, magnified by overuse and a poor offensive system. This FO failed to realize and do anything about the situation before now which is too late in the game. There were opportunities to acquire young ascending players like Garrapolo or McCarron..Understandable, those trades would be very costly. The team then passed on every QB in the draft last year (QB's went much higher based on potential). This is where I can't forgive DC.

Looking at this defense, I think two conditional first rounders would be more than worth it for Garrapolo. I'd gladly send the Bengals my 2nd.

I am not willing to wait on Bortles any longer because this team won't be playing a defense led by Dan Pees every weak that gifts Marcedes Lewis 3 TD's by putting a back-up rush LB in coverage. Bortles may be able to hide his flaws here and there, but I could never take this team into January just to have the mistakes come out again. It's always a matter of time with Blake. I felt this way win or loss before Sunday afternoon.

Part II: Overall Team
There is credit being given to DC where he deserves but his track record has some serious bad marks from Free Agents to draft picks to Coaches and the Brandon Albert disaster. There's a lot, I don't know of any GM that has survived this much and the way he dismantled the prior team to recreate and then again was very unorthodox. I like a good amount of what he has done and he has a good reputation with people in the business from what people have told me in my circles.

I just don;t think that DC knows the game or knows athletes enough to make the best decisions. I go back toe Joeckel pick, this was my first indication that DC was not going to be successful. DC raved about analytics (which I love) and we try to sell folks on Blaine Gabbert needing .02 more seconds to throw and he would have a better passer rating than Tom Brady, Matt Ryan or Peyton Manning. Right there, I realize that this man does not know the game, he doesn't see athletes or feel in his gut how a guy is going to evolve. Joeckel had one trait, he looked the part of a LT but when I saw his games, I did not see a franchise piece.

Part III: The bad news
DC has survived the bad decisions (all GM's make bad moves) but his problem is going to be replenishing the tank. Caldwell has some serious issues upcoming. DC is staring at a cycle of having to replace bad draft picks and bad FA signings with Free Agents. Meanwhile, these young defenders are going to be looking to get paid. Ramsey is going to be somewhere near a $20M+ cap hit and could likely be the highest paid CB at his position. Smith, Jack, Ngonque are all going to command high dollars and they are a homegrown talent you want to see stay. Same for Poz, Church and maybe Jackson. DC is going to have to find the jar players that he can pull off the shelf when the big money signings fade away with bloated contracts that DC handed out. DC is going to have to keep spending big money to maintain his roster and he better hope he has the success he has had this season and not the Sergio Browns or Dan Skuta's of the league.

I know people felt like this team was ascending, but Caldwell needs to start hitting on more picks bec and find a competent QB

(10-03-2017, 03:17 AM)TheAll22 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017, 03:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Dave Caldwell deserves BLAME for his Bortles draft pick. In fact, he should be fired for it.

Part1: Bortles
I have no issue with the selection, Despite that, I got killed for bemoaning the pick the day of the draft. Dave thought he had a QB, he took him and for the first two years, it seemed like there was something there. FFWD: It's not working out. I'm not even upset that DC kept him this season or extended the 5th year option.

The issue is that Bortles had serious flaws, magnified by overuse and a poor offensive system. This FO failed to realize and do anything about the situation before now which is too late in the game. There were opportunities to acquire young ascending players like Garrapolo or McCarron..Understandable, those trades would be very costly. The team then passed on every QB in the draft last year (QB's went much higher based on potential). This is where I can't forgive DC.

Looking at this defense, I think two conditional first rounders would be more than worth it for Garrapolo. I'd gladly send the Bengals my 2nd.

I am not willing to wait on Bortles any longer because this team won't be playing a defense led by Dan Pees every weak that gifts Marcedes Lewis 3 TD's by putting a back-up rush LB in coverage. Bortles may be able to hide his flaws here and there, but I could never take this team into January just to have the mistakes come out again. It's always a matter of time with Blake. I felt this way win or loss before Sunday afternoon.

Part II: Overall Team
There is credit being given to DC where he deserves but his track record has some serious bad marks from Free Agents to draft picks to Coaches and the Brandon Albert disaster. There's a lot, I don't know of any GM that has survived this much and the way he dismantled the prior team to recreate and then again was very unorthodox. I like a good amount of what he has done and he has a good reputation with people in the business from what people have told me in my circles.

I just don;t think that DC knows the game or knows athletes enough to make the best decisions. I go back toe Joeckel pick, this was my first indication that DC was not going to be successful. DC raved about analytics (which I love) and we try to sell folks on Blaine Gabbert needing .02 more seconds to throw and he would have a better passer rating than Tom Brady, Matt Ryan or Peyton Manning. Right there, I realize that this man does not know the game, he doesn't see athletes or feel in his gut how a guy is going to evolve. Joeckel had one trait, he looked the part of a LT but when I saw his games, I did not see a franchise piece.

Part III: The bad news
DC has survived the bad decisions (all GM's make bad moves) but his problem is going to be replenishing the tank. Caldwell has some serious issues upcoming. DC is staring at a cycle of having to replace bad draft picks and bad FA signings with Free Agents. Meanwhile, these young defenders are going to be looking to get paid. Ramsey is going to be somewhere near a $20M+ cap hit and could likely be the highest paid CB at his position. Smith, Jack, Ngonque are all going to command high dollars and they are a homegrown talent you want to see stay. Same for Poz, Church and maybe Jackson. DC is going to have to find the jar players that he can pull off the shelf when the big money signings fade away with bloated contracts that DC handed out. DC is going to have to keep spending big money to maintain his roster and he better hope he has the success he has had this season and not the Sergio Browns or Dan Skuta's of the league.

I know people felt like this team was ascending, but Caldwell needs to start hitting on more picks bec and find a competent QB

I think when Blake is gone.  Caldwell may be as well.  Not that caldwell is bad.  Just Blake is a mess.  And DrJeckyl or Mr Hyde

When Blake goes, Caldwell needs to go right along with him.

I don't understand the logic behind a GM being tied to a QB he selected. QBs are undoubtedly the hardest position to nail in a draft and even if you do there's so much that can go wrong in his development. Why should Caldwell for example he fired because Bortles gets let go when he overall has made very solid picks.

(11-26-2017, 09:37 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the logic behind a GM being tied to a QB he selected. QBs are undoubtedly the hardest position to nail in a draft and even if you do there's so much that can go wrong in his development. Why should Caldwell for example he fired because Bortles gets let go when he overall has made very solid picks.

Maybe it isn't so much that as not being able to admit you made a mistake and move on. Caldwells ego has cost this franchise years with Gus Bradley and Blake Bortles.

I think that's a bit disingenuous. It's the coaches that decided to stick with Bortles. It's not like Marrone and Coughlin were begging Caldwell to get another QB and he's insisting that he's our guy. I'm sure if they approached him and told him that we need to start looking for a QB, he'd say "I'll see what I can do" and make some moves. Not fair to blame Caldwell for sticking with Bortles. Fact is Marrone and Coughlin made a decision to stick with Bortles this year, and it hasn't exactly been disastrous, he's just not very good. But you take a look around the league and other than Watson who's now on IR what exactly could we have done to upgrade anyway? I know Keenum has been lighting it up but hind sight is always gonna be 20/20.

(11-27-2017, 10:06 AM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]I think that's a bit disingenuous. It's the coaches that decided to stick with Bortles. It's not like Marrone and Coughlin were begging Caldwell to get another QB and he's insisting that he's our guy. I'm sure if they approached him and told him that we need to start looking for a QB, he'd say "I'll see what I can do" and make some moves. Not fair to blame Caldwell for sticking with Bortles. Fact is Marrone and Coughlin made a decision to stick with Bortles this year, and it hasn't exactly been disastrous, he's just not very good. But you take a look around the league and other than Watson who's now on IR what exactly could we have done to upgrade anyway? I know Keenum has been lighting it up but hind sight is always gonna be 20/20.

Is it fair to blame Caldwell for holding on to Gus Bradley 2 years too long?

Again you're putting too much on Caldwell. I guess you could argue he should've been lobbying for firing Gus Bradley sooner, but the team made a concentrated effort not to make our team a revolving door of Coaches, as that's hardly a recipe for success either. With that in mind, we really only held onto Gus Bradley one year too long. I think that can be forgiven, last year should've been similar to this year in terms of record. But I'm not so sure sole blame lies with Caldwell. We all know Gus Bradley was historic levels of Bad but so was this team. It was pretty obvious to most everyone that Gus Bradley was trash 2 years ago but I can understand the guys up top giving him a prove it year which he failed.

Again the Key is the long term success of this franchise. I think it's important to not be so hasty to make big coaching changes. Sure everyone was calling for Gus' head since season 1. The wiser ones were calling for his head at the end of season 2. But hell some people are calling for Marrone's head after last night.

(11-27-2017, 10:08 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2017, 10:06 AM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]I think that's a bit disingenuous. 

Is it fair to blame Caldwell for holding on to Gus Bradley 2 years too long?

Sure. You just have to blame the owner too. Since it's been made clear repeatedly that he was part of that decision to give Bradley the time promised to right the ship. That wasn't up to Caldwell alone and no one knows for sure if he'd have parted ways sooner were it his decision.

Anyone screaming to fire Caldwell over one pick is an absolute moron. He has brought this crappy franchise to relevance. He has brought in alot of talent thats making mediocre coaches like Marrone look good. I guess NE’s GM should be fired too since he almost fails in every draft. Quit.