(10-17-2017, 07:39 AM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2017, 07:12 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles was 65% in college. In case you didn't know completion % in college is irrelevant
Brissett has played in 9 NFL games and has 3 TD passes. Some of you have NO idea how to evaluate QBs
It gets worse, haveaseat wants Kizer lol.
It's hilarious. Brissett is awful. So bad that T.Y. Hilton only had 1 catch for 19 yards last night. He's another checkdown/backup QB
(10-17-2017, 08:08 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2017, 07:39 AM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]It gets worse, haveaseat wants Kizer lol.
It's hilarious. Brissett is awful. So bad that T.Y. Hilton only had 1 catch for 19 yards last night. He's another checkdown/backup QB
When the Jags ultimately move on from Bortles because he isn't good, will you also leave?
I'm thinking Brees would be a great idea. Wasn't Marrone Brees offensive coordinator at one point.
(10-15-2017, 08:43 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2017, 08:37 PM)WorldsBestPoster Wrote: [ -> ]I cant watch Bortles throw the ball again. Ever. Guy is struggling with screen passes.
I don't care who they put in there. Henne. Trade for Eli/Foles/Fitzpatrick. Bring back D-Rob to play QB. Sign John Manziel or Todd Bouman. Maybe let Bortles kick and let Jason Myers throw. I don't care if they pick a random fan from each game. Anything or anyone not named Blake Bortles.
I actually agree.
Nothing is precise with Bortles. No quick slant patterns .... everything just takes so long to develop due to his release and inability to drill a tight spiral
I struggle placing blame on Bortles and not the front office. You knew what you were getting.
(10-15-2017, 08:43 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2017, 08:37 PM)WorldsBestPoster Wrote: [ -> ]I cant watch Bortles throw the ball again. Ever. Guy is struggling with screen passes.
I don't care who they put in there. Henne. Trade for Eli/Foles/Fitzpatrick. Bring back D-Rob to play QB. Sign John Manziel or Todd Bouman. Maybe let Bortles kick and let Jason Myers throw. I don't care if they pick a random fan from each game. Anything or anyone not named Blake Bortles.
I actually agree.
Nothing is precise with Bortles. No quick slant patterns .... everything just takes so long to develop due to his release and inability to drill a tight spiral
I struggle placing blame on Bortles and not the front office. You knew what you were getting.
After seeing what Watson is doing, I’m kind of starting to think we don’t need a vet. Time to start drafting guys who play well from day one. Other teams are doing it, we done it the past couple of years. No excuse to get this right next season especially when they passed on two guys (Watson and Mahomes). I wanted Watson but I’m happy we have Fournette. They absolutely have to get it right next year to justify passing on guys this year.
The Tide bias in me wants A.J. to get a long hard look in the off-season. Got slammed for mentioning him here in 14, not looking like such a bad idea now.
(10-17-2017, 08:26 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2017, 08:08 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]
It's hilarious. Brissett is awful. So bad that T.Y. Hilton only had 1 catch for 19 yards last night. He's another checkdown/backup QB
When the Jags ultimately move on from Bortles because he isn't good, will you also leave?
While most people on the planet ( myself included) do not agree with his opinion, it is his opinion. If by some miracle he defies the odds and gets another year, will you?
(10-17-2017, 11:50 AM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]The Tide bias in me wants A.J. to get a long hard look in the off-season. Got slammed for mentioning him here in 14, not looking like such a bad idea now.
(10-17-2017, 08:26 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]When the Jags ultimately move on from Bortles because he isn't good, will you also leave?
While most people on the planet ( myself included) do not agree with his opinion, it is his opinion. If by some miracle he defies the odds and gets another year, will you?
I'll be here through everything.
However he has already made the claim that he became a Jags fan because of Bortles. So hopefully, his Bortles bias will be out the door once Bortles leaves to go to NYJ like he said.
(10-17-2017, 07:55 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2017, 07:44 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]If there's still more building to do on Offense, why is Bortles being blamed for literally everything (even when he's not even on the field)? This team is either a QB away, or it isn't. There's no in between.
If the Offense needs more building, then the QB shouldn't be fully blamed like he has been. If it's this current QB's fault, than whoever the new QB is should come in instantly and lead this team to at least 10 wins. Regardless of if he's a rookie, or a vet.
This team is in a very good/very bad position right now. It's not going to matter one bit who the QB is. A Rookie is going to get an awfully short leash and a Vet is going to get an even shorter leash. The amount of pressure that's going to be on any QB that joins this team is going to be so huge, it's going to be ridiculous. Especially with this bi-polar, flip-flopping fan base.
I agree.
However, the writing is on the wall that Bortles won't be around very much longer. If we are going to move on, I prefer it to be a cheap quarterback so we can fix some of the offensive issues and not put the next quarterback in another unwinnable situation.
Yea, one thing that's for sure, Bortles' time here is done. It's simply just a matter of time now.
It's just so sad that here we are playing this stupid QB game again, when everybody believed we finally had one just a couple seasons ago.
Yeah. Normally when you draft top 5 quarterbacks, you invest into the offense to help them out. This offense had no talent when they drafted him and they turned most of their attention to the defense. Until this past offseason they drafted him two 2nd round receivers, only one of which has done anything, and two third round offensive linemen, only one of which is any good, and a 2nd round running back who is a healthy inactive every week. That actually isn't bad, but the results have been. But more importantly, they've brought in almost no veteran leadership. Julius Thomas was a massive bust without Peyton Manning. Jermey Parnell and Chris Ivory are mediocre on good days.
I pray that, whoever the next quarterback is, sees significant investments on his side of the ball in terms of draft picks and free agent money. In four seasons, one marquee free agent signing who busts is not going to cut it.
(10-17-2017, 06:02 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Normally when you draft top 5 quarterbacks, you invest into the offense to help them out. This offense had no talent when they drafted him and they turned most of their attention to the defense. Until this past offseason they drafted him two 2nd round receivers, only one of which has done anything, and two third round offensive linemen, only one of which is any good, and a 2nd round running back who is a healthy inactive every week. That actually isn't bad, but the results have been. But more importantly, they've brought in almost no veteran leadership. Julius Thomas was a massive bust without Peyton Manning. Jermey Parnell and Chris Ivory are mediocre on good days.
I pray that, whoever the next quarterback is, sees significant investments on his side of the ball in terms of draft picks and free agent money. In four seasons, one marquee free agent signing who busts is not going to cut it.
It almost felt that you were ready to say the front office didn’t do enough to help him then you started naming the things the did like drafting wideouts in the second round, drafting guards, signing tight ends, adding running backs and then you said “damn they actually did do a lot for this guy” lol
Just poking some fun but at some point Bortles has to improve himself. We can’t place the accountably on all the the other players around him and he hasn’t put in enough work to throw a decent spiral after 4 offseasons. He just has regressed terribly and has shown himself to not be the guy. Sucks for us but it is what it is.
(10-17-2017, 06:02 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Normally when you draft top 5 quarterbacks, you invest into the offense to help them out. This offense had no talent when they drafted him and they turned most of their attention to the defense. Until this past offseason they drafted him two 2nd round receivers, only one of which has done anything, and two third round offensive linemen, only one of which is any good, and a 2nd round running back who is a healthy inactive every week. That actually isn't bad, but the results have been. But more importantly, they've brought in almost no veteran leadership. Julius Thomas was a massive bust without Peyton Manning. Jermey Parnell and Chris Ivory are mediocre on good days.
I pray that, whoever the next quarterback is, sees significant investments on his side of the ball in terms of draft picks and free agent money. In four seasons, one marquee free agent signing who busts is not going to cut it.
Good point. Julius Thomas AND Toby Gerhart. Two great signings that helped Bortles. Haha
lol @ anyone calling Parnell mediocre. Lost all credibility there.
(10-17-2017, 06:02 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Normally when you draft top 5 quarterbacks, you invest into the offense to help them out. This offense had no talent when they drafted him and they turned most of their attention to the defense.
The three picks directly after Bortles were Marqise, Arob, and Linder.
(10-17-2017, 06:48 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2017, 06:02 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Normally when you draft top 5 quarterbacks, you invest into the offense to help them out. This offense had no talent when they drafted him and they turned most of their attention to the defense. Until this past offseason they drafted him two 2nd round receivers, only one of which has done anything, and two third round offensive linemen, only one of which is any good, and a 2nd round running back who is a healthy inactive every week. That actually isn't bad, but the results have been. But more importantly, they've brought in almost no veteran leadership. Julius Thomas was a massive bust without Peyton Manning. Jermey Parnell and Chris Ivory are mediocre on good days.
I pray that, whoever the next quarterback is, sees significant investments on his side of the ball in terms of draft picks and free agent money. In four seasons, one marquee free agent signing who busts is not going to cut it.
It almost felt that you were ready to say the front office didn’t do enough to help him then you started naming the things the did like drafting wideouts in the second round, drafting guards, signing tight ends, adding running backs and then you said “damn they actually did do a lot for this guy” lol
Just poking some fun but at some point Bortles has to improve himself. We can’t place the accountably on all the the other players around him and he hasn’t put in enough work to throw a decent spiral after 4 offseasons. He just has regressed terribly and has shown himself to not be the guy. Sucks for us but it is what it is.
(10-17-2017, 07:36 PM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2017, 06:02 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Normally when you draft top 5 quarterbacks, you invest into the offense to help them out. This offense had no talent when they drafted him and they turned most of their attention to the defense. Until this past offseason they drafted him two 2nd round receivers, only one of which has done anything, and two third round offensive linemen, only one of which is any good, and a 2nd round running back who is a healthy inactive every week. That actually isn't bad, but the results have been. But more importantly, they've brought in almost no veteran leadership. Julius Thomas was a massive bust without Peyton Manning. Jermey Parnell and Chris Ivory are mediocre on good days.
I pray that, whoever the next quarterback is, sees significant investments on his side of the ball in terms of draft picks and free agent money. In four seasons, one marquee free agent signing who busts is not going to cut it.
Good point. Julius Thomas AND Toby Gerhart. Two great signings that helped Bortles. Haha
(10-17-2017, 08:01 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2017, 06:02 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Normally when you draft top 5 quarterbacks, you invest into the offense to help them out. This offense had no talent when they drafted him and they turned most of their attention to the defense.
The three picks directly after Bortles were Marqise, Arob, and Linder.
Yeah, I don't want to say that they didn't do anything in the draft, because they did, but they didn't do enough when you consider the lack of pre-existing talent and how less-than-stellar most of the draft picks turned out to be. He's been relying mostly on UDFAs.
But, the free agency thing has been the biggest issue. You can't have a bunch of draft picks and UDFA's with no real veteran leadership and expect much. They've only signed one big money offensive free agent in 4 years and he was bad.
(10-17-2017, 07:44 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]lol @ anyone calling Parnell mediocre. Lost all credibility there.
And you think Parnell is good? Good grief. Teams were willing to pay Luke Joeckel and Kelvin Beachum more money coming off ACL tears than a healthy Parnell.
OK... let's forget about Bortles first couple seasons where the talent level was so bad.
In the past 2 seasons, he has had WRs (AR15, Hurns, Lee) that are good enough to be considered good (and at one point, the Allens were the talk of the league)
The OL the past 2 seasons have pass protected better than we've seen any OL do since 07. While run blocking was still poor, it has improved slightly to this season.
The RB group has gotten better every season for Bortles since he was drafted.
And an all star borderline elite defense was built to back him up.
And he still isn't playing well. Inaccurate, sporadic, and decision making is still iffy.
He's in his 4th year. He's a top 5 pick. He's been outplayed by 7th rounders and 1st rounders drafted before and after him on equally mediocre teams.
I'm not saying Bortles has the best team around him. But I've said in many other posts... if you draft a dude top 5 and you ALSO need to build an elite D an elite run game and have 3 star WRs and a stud at TE............ well good luck with all that.
Bortles should be better than he is by now. He isn't.
There is no two ways about it. Dude has some talent... just not enough, not enough to warrant his draft spot (not his fault) and not enough to warrant keeping him (time to be some other teams project)
(10-17-2017, 07:44 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]lol @ anyone calling Parnell mediocre. Lost all credibility there.
He's playing much better than last year.
(10-18-2017, 03:23 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]OK... let's forget about Bortles first couple seasons where the talent level was so bad.
In the past 2 seasons, he has had WRs (AR15, Hurns, Lee) that are good enough to be considered good (and at one point, the Allens were the talk of the league)
The OL the past 2 seasons have pass protected better than we've seen any OL do since 07. While run blocking was still poor, it has improved slightly to this season.
The RB group has gotten better every season for Bortles since he was drafted.
And an all star borderline elite defense was built to back him up.
And he still isn't playing well. Inaccurate, sporadic, and decision making is still iffy.
He's in his 4th year. He's a top 5 pick. He's been outplayed by 7th rounders and 1st rounders drafted before and after him on equally mediocre teams.
I'm not saying Bortles has the best team around him. But I've said in many other posts... if you draft a dude top 5 and you ALSO need to build an elite D an elite run game and have 3 star WRs and a stud at TE............ well good luck with all that.
Bortles should be better than he is by now. He isn't.
There is no two ways about it. Dude has some talent... just not enough, not enough to warrant his draft spot (not his fault) and not enough to warrant keeping him (time to be some other teams project)
Right. When does Bortles himself just need to play better? When does he elevate his game? I see all qbs deal with dropped passes and bad olines but they do their jobs as a qb to keep finding the open man and consistently deliver the ball on time. That’s what the good ones do. Thats how Luck has been carrying his team these past few years. He keeps finding the open man even with a linemen hitting him ever play. Hilton drops passes just like an other wideout but Luck consistently finds him when he’s open and puts the ball on the money.
The sad part is they aren’t even asking Blake to do a lot and he still can’t take advantage of his decreased workload as well as advantageous matchups. He is what he is.
AJ McCarron would be a great addition next year and will come will a much lower price tag than Brees or Cousins. However he probably wants to be a starter in this league and wants at least 2 year guaranteed.
Price isn't an issue when it comes to getting better at the QB position. Getting better is the key words.