(11-08-2017, 10:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:06 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Not hating. But this Jaguars defense isnt an historic defense like majority of the Jags claim to think. It isnt a defense that could overcome a bad QB.
So when they beat the steeler 30-9 and Bortles was 8-14 for 95 yards with a INT and no TDs, that was a defense that can't overcome a bad QB in your eyes?
Better see an optometrist.
It's also important to note that in 4 games this season they've not needed to overcome any QB deficiencies as Bortles has played well albeit inconsistently.
Lets be honest... Big Ben has been awful this year and he had his worst career game vs JaX.
Doesnt that suggest the jags d is great?
Just like the Titans you guys faced weak schedules, Clots, Bengals, Ravens, worst offenses in the league. Granted Rams are good, so are the Steelers but that doesnt change the fact that Jax are horrible against the run. They also dont have alot of takeaways like the historic defenses of like 2015 Broncos or even the 00 Ravens
Pump the brakes please. Huge test this week though against a good RB and a veteran QB. Lets see how good they pair.
(11-08-2017, 10:14 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So when they beat the steeler 30-9 and Bortles was 8-14 for 95 yards with a INT and no TDs, that was a defense that can't overcome a bad QB in your eyes?
Better see an optometrist.
It's also important to note that in 4 games this season they've not needed to overcome any QB deficiencies as Bortles has played well albeit inconsistently.
Lets be honest... Big Ben has been awful this year and he had his worst career game vs JaX.
He played badly.
But your assertion that the defense can't overcome a bad QB is pretty damn weak. The fact that Bortles has had three quality outings in the past five weeks makes it nearly pointless anyway. At least for the moment.
The only question mark on this defense is run defense and that looks like its on the uptick.
Time will tell what they can overcome or not, but they are going to keep the Jags competitive in the vast majority of their remaining regular season games.
(11-08-2017, 10:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:14 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Lets be honest... Big Ben has been awful this year and he had his worst career game vs JaX.
He played badly.
But your assertion that the defense can't overcome a bad QB is pretty damn weak. The fact that Bortles has had three quality outings in the past five weeks makes it nearly pointless anyway. At least for the moment.
The only question mark on this defense is run defense and that looks like its on the uptick.
Time will tell what they can overcome or not, but they are going to keep the Jags competitive in the vast majority of their remaining regular season games.
So let me ask you this: are you saying they are as good as the 2015 Denver Broncos defense?
(11-08-2017, 10:14 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So when they beat the steeler 30-9 and Bortles was 8-14 for 95 yards with a INT and no TDs, that was a defense that can't overcome a bad QB in your eyes?
Better see an optometrist.
It's also important to note that in 4 games this season they've not needed to overcome any QB deficiencies as Bortles has played well albeit inconsistently.
Lets be honest... Big Ben has been awful this year and he had his worst career game vs JaX.
I wonder why that was? It certainly had nothing to do with 5 INT's... that has nothing at all to do with the Jaguars' Defense.
(11-08-2017, 07:35 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 06:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]NFL Research ✔@NFLResearch
The @Jaguars lead NFL in pass defense, allowing 156.4 pass YPG
3 JAX defenders rank in Top 6 in passer rating allowed in coverage (Min. 20 targets):
S Tashaun Gipson - 30.3
CB Jalen Ramsey - 38.2
CB A.J. Bouye - 40.4
Spiking the ball every play equals a 39.6 passer rating
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-down corners and a dominant pass rush.. Hard to move the ball against unit that can blanket receivers and knock the QB around..
The way Gipson is playing this year I feel is the best FS we have ever had. We brought him here after he had a down year with the Browns hoping he could get back to his play like his 2014 season when he made the Pro Bowl. He is having an even better season and the best season of his career. He is a top 5 FS in the league right now imo
Outside of ET I can’t name a better FS than Gipson this year.
Don’t feed the trolls. They travel in packs...
(11-08-2017, 10:21 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He played badly.
But your assertion that the defense can't overcome a bad QB is pretty damn weak. The fact that Bortles has had three quality outings in the past five weeks makes it nearly pointless anyway. At least for the moment.
The only question mark on this defense is run defense and that looks like its on the uptick.
Time will tell what they can overcome or not, but they are going to keep the Jags competitive in the vast majority of their remaining regular season games.
So let me ask you this: are you saying they are as good as the 2015 Denver Broncos defense?
It's a pretty different defense, but yeah, I think they rank very competitively with that defense. If not "as good" then darn near. They are still young at some key spots and will need those guys to be a bit more consistent in order to end the season ranked as well as that D, but I think they may end up being that good.
(11-08-2017, 10:22 PM)Treestone Ice Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:21 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]So let me ask you this: are you saying they are as good as the 2015 Denver Broncos defense?
Without hesitation.
Sure, they might end up with more sacks, but their takeaways wont even be as close. Plus i dont see Jags run defense even cracking up the top 5. Jaguars are awesome their only allowing around 14 ppg but they are ranked around 21-25 on the run. And they dont have nearly enough takeaways, therefore their an awesome defense, but not close to going down as one of the best. Fournette is like 90% of the jags offense. So even if “Bad blake” shows up it WILL be enough to overcome bad QB PLAY
(11-08-2017, 10:27 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 07:35 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The way Gipson is playing this year I feel is the best FS we have ever had. We brought him here after he had a down year with the Browns hoping he could get back to his play like his 2014 season when he made the Pro Bowl. He is having an even better season and the best season of his career. He is a top 5 FS in the league right now imo
Outside of ET I can’t name a better FS than Gipson this year.
Don’t feed the trolls. They travel in packs...
Harrison Smith has had a great year as well
(11-08-2017, 10:21 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He played badly.
But your assertion that the defense can't overcome a bad QB is pretty damn weak. The fact that Bortles has had three quality outings in the past five weeks makes it nearly pointless anyway. At least for the moment.
The only question mark on this defense is run defense and that looks like its on the uptick.
Time will tell what they can overcome or not, but they are going to keep the Jags competitive in the vast majority of their remaining regular season games.
So let me ask you this: are you saying they are as good as the 2015 Denver Broncos defense?
No. The Jaguars 2017 defense is not as good as the 2015 Denver Broncos defense... they are better.
(11-08-2017, 10:30 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:22 PM)Treestone Ice Wrote: [ -> ]Without hesitation.
Sure, they might end up with more sacks, but their takeaways wont even be as close. Plus i dont see Jags run defense even cracking up the top 5. Jaguars are awesome their only allowing around 14 ppg but they are ranked around 21-25 on the run. And they dont have nearly enough takeaways, therefore their an awesome defense, but not close to going down as one of the best. Fournette is like 90% of the jags offense. So even if “Bad blake” shows up it WILL be enough to overcome bad QB PLAY
Thats why we went out and got Marcell Dareus. His first game with Jax we hold the Bengals to 29 rushing yards
(11-08-2017, 10:24 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:14 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Lets be honest... Big Ben has been awful this year and he had his worst career game vs JaX.
I wonder why that was? It certainly had nothing to do with 5 INT's... that has nothing at all to do with the Jaguars' Defense.
Ramsey has like 0 picks bro. Big Ben has been bad, it had to do a little bit but he isnt nearly as good as he once was.
(11-08-2017, 10:33 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:24 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder why that was? It certainly had nothing to do with 5 INT's... that has nothing at all to do with the Jaguars' Defense.
Ramsey has like 0 picks bro.
2 picks, 11 passes defensed. QBs don't throw at him. Maybe try actually watching a game before spewing trash.
(11-08-2017, 10:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:33 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Ramsey has like 0 picks bro.
2 picks, 11 passes defensed. QBs don't throw at him. Maybe try actually watching a game before spewing trash.
Actually I try to watch all the Jags games on reddit. And I apolgoze on that error. But like I said before, (without looking it up) how many take-aways do the jags have this year?
(11-08-2017, 10:37 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]2 picks, 11 passes defensed. QBs don't throw at him. Maybe try actually watching a game before spewing trash.
Actually I try to watch all the Jags games on reddit. And I apolgoze on that error. But like I said before, (without looking it up) how many take-aways do the jags have this year?
16, third most in the league.
(11-08-2017, 10:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:37 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Actually I try to watch all the Jags games on reddit. And I apolgoze on that error. But like I said before, (without looking it up) how many take-aways do the jags have this year?
16 takeaways
+7 ratio
3rd in the league
Fair enough. They are trending in the right direction in that department. But wouldnt you think they’d have to improve ALOT more on the run to even be considered in that conversation?
(11-08-2017, 10:47 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 10:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]16 takeaways
+7 ratio
3rd in the league
Fair enough. They are trending in the right direction in that department. But wouldnt you think they’d have to improve ALOT more on the run to even be considered in that conversation?
Yes. 29 yards given up in the last tilt to Mixon/Bernard was a good start.