Quote:This is what I will not do. I almost begrudgingly will mark Trump. I will not complain/criticize about the repercussions of that decision. That in no way makes any sense. If you already know you will be criticizing her how can you justify the vote?
I'm voting for Not Trump the same way it sounds like you are voting for Not Hillary. Just because you vote for someone does not mean you agree with every decision they make over their term. I have been critical of things every president I have ever voted for has done as well as those I did not vote for. If you think you are gonna vote Trump and not have anything to gripe about should he get elected, you are lying to yourself. You will have plenty of cause just like I will when/if Hillary is elected. I hate Hillary for all the same reasons you probably do. But I find Trump/Pence to be a more dangerous option to lead our nation.
Quote:by "worthy" you mean some establishment trash? you need to stop voting for those kinds of people if you want anything to change.
Non-establishment people like Obama? I have voted for non-establishment candidates in the primary and general election on multiple occasions. I prefer them. Unfortunately, I find Trump to be an anti-establishment candidate I disagree with on almost his entire platform. And there are countless other red flags I see in him as a potential president. Choosing something different isn't something I'm keen to do if that something different is something I find terrible. If the Jags decided to only sign Offensive Linemen who are under 200 lbs., it would be different and a change from the norm, but it wouldn't be something I would prefer to just trying to find a good, reliable lineman who fits the mold.
The biggest problem is that the right understands who their candidate is. They realize he's a bad candidate and not reflective of what Republicans or conservatives would prefer.
However, they correctly identify that he's the lesser of the two evils by far.
The issue on the left, is that they are in complete denial and/or don't realize how truly bad their candidate is. Many still cling to the D like good lapdogs and remain out of touch with the reality of just how bad their candidate truly is. As awful as Trump is, and he is really bad... she's even worse, and it isn't even close.
Quote:Well the KKK openly endorsed Trump in their newspaper and have said they will be visible at polling stations. What could it accomplish for them? What they've always wanted. A feeling their voice is heard. A calling card to intimidate minority voters. A sense their moronic vision has a chance of becoming reality.
I get that you are slow as molasses as you keep sticking to this bull [BAD WORD REMOVED] narrative I like Hillary (even though I have blasted her) by repeatedly calling her "my girl." We did this dumb dance multiple times, most recently yesterday. Just because I feel Trump is wholly unelectable does not mean I do not loathe Hillary. You cannot grasp this and have gone to the point of accusing me of lying. So for the record.. ..again.. Hillary can eat my dingleberries.
The KKK "openly endorsed" Trump, and it was quickly denounced by the campaign. I don't recall hearing a similar response to Hillary being endorsed by a grand dragon of the Klan out in California. He said his endorsement was based on the fact that she was hopefully a "hidden Hitler".
There's ZERO indication the Klan was behind burning down a church, but feel free to dredge up whatever straw man you feel you need to spin this your way. When the truth comes out, I'm sure you'll avoid this thread like the plague.
Your Boiney sold you out for a few pieces of silver, so Hillary is your default girl. Deny it all you wish. You and I both know you'll proudly declare yourself "with her" next week.
Quote:The biggest problem is that the right understands who their candidate is. They realize he's a bad candidate and not reflective of what Republicans or conservatives would prefer.
However, they correctly identify that he's the lesser of the two evils by far.
The issue on the left, is that they are in complete denial and/or don't realize how truly bad their candidate is. Many still cling to the D like good lapdogs and remain out of touch with the reality of just how bad their candidate truly is. As awful as Trump is, and he is really bad... she's even worse, and it isn't even close.
Bingo.
Conservatives aren't enamored with Trump. They simply feel that it's in the best interest of this country to NOT elect Clinton, and Trump represents the only viable option. They also believe that because he's not beholding to any special interest groups, Trump may actually be more open to governing in a manner that conservatives would support on most big issues. That includes how he appoints judges to SCOTUS, how he'll deal with immigration reform, how taxes will be addressed, and how foreign trade is managed. The general perception is that he will probably govern more to the people's will and not so much to the will of the ruling class. Hillary is bought and paid for by so many different interests that she may have a hard time remembering who she needs to appease.
Trump is a lousy candidate. But, I think that if he gets elected, his governing style may be the tonic that cures us of this mindset that whatever the establishment wants, they get. If Hillary is elected, it's more of the same garbage we've endured for more than 2 decades now. That cycle has to be broken. I never expected Trump to be that agent of change, but here we are.
Quote:The KKK "openly endorsed" Trump, and it was quickly denounced by the campaign. I don't recall hearing a similar response to Hillary being endorsed by a grand dragon of the Klan out in California. He said his endorsement was based on the fact that she was hopefully a "hidden Hitler".
There's ZERO indication the Klan was behind burning down a church, but feel free to dredge up whatever straw man you feel you need to spin this your way. When the truth comes out, I'm sure you'll avoid this thread like the plague.
Your Boiney sold you out for a few pieces of silver, so Hillary is your default girl. Deny it all you wish. You and I both know you'll proudly declare yourself "with her" next week.
Already early voted. Filled the bubble next to her name and covered it up so I wouldn't have to look at it again as I completed the ballot. Made me feel gross, like entering Wal-Mart. I never said the Klan was definitely behind the church burning. Could've been them or some other racist rogue element. Glad Trump is learning from his mistakes instead of pretending he didn't even know who they were like their first endorsement. I am infinitely more concerned with the money Hillary takes from Saudi Arabia than I am from this guy. Hidden Hitler wouldn't have a DNC that was half minority. She's not the one inciting racial discord. When and if any real evidence comes to light implicating Clinton operatives are behind this incident, I will come here and apologize. You should know by now I don't duck and hide. That said, I'm not expecting any evidence to ever surface which would indicate this is anything other than what it appears to be. A dumb racist trying to intimidate minority voters.
Quote:Already early voted. Filled the bubble next to her name and covered it up so I wouldn't have to look at it again as I completed the ballot. Made me feel gross, like entering Wal-Mart. I never said the Klan was definitely behind the church burning. Could've been them or some other racist rogue element. Glad Trump is learning from his mistakes instead of pretending he didn't even know who they were like their first endorsement. I am infinitely more concerned with the money Hillary takes from Saudi Arabia than I am from this guy. Hidden Hitler wouldn't have a DNC that was half minority. She's not the one inciting racial discord. When and if any real evidence comes to light implicating Clinton operatives are behind this incident, I will come here and apologize. You should know by now I don't duck and hide. That said, I'm not expecting any evidence to ever surface which would indicate this is anything other than what it appears to be. A dumb racist trying to intimidate minority voters.
Obama has spent the past 8 years inciting racial discord, so to think the DNC and Hillary wouldn't dare do anything of the sort because half are minorities is pretty naïve. Hillary couldn't care less about minorities. She only cares about how big the check is to her foundation. You're rightly concerned about the influence these big nation states, mega corporations, Wall Street banks, and billionaire donors will expect for their "donations" to the family slush fund. You supported that with your vote regardless of how you tried to hide it.
I have little doubt that when the dust settles on the investigation, if they actually catch the perpetrator, it will indeed be a dumb racist trying to MOTIVATE unenthusiastic minority voters to get to the polls.
Quote:Obama has spent the past 8 years inciting racial discord, so to think the DNC and Hillary wouldn't dare do anything of the sort because half are minorities is pretty naïve. Hillary couldn't care less about minorities. She only cares about how big the check is to her foundation. You're rightly concerned about the influence these big nation states, mega corporations, Wall Street banks, and billionaire donors will expect for their "donations" to the family slush fund. You supported that with your vote regardless of how you tried to hide it.
I have little doubt that when the dust settles on the investigation, if they actually catch the perpetrator, it will indeed be a dumb racist trying to MOTIVATE unenthusiastic minority voters to get to the polls.
I cannot disagree more with you that Obama has incited racial discord. Even before he was elected, members of the right have been making racist comments or posting racist memes or cartoons about him. How is that him inciting racial discord? The audacity of being black? It's laughable you think Trump who wants to deregulate everything will do anything to hurt his cronies on Wall St. I would not be surprised in the slightest if the perpetrator of this act is never caught. A string of black churches were burned in SC after the Dylan Roof massacre. You likely didn't hear about them and the perp or perps were never caught. Par for the course. Jumping to the conclusion it was a Hillary hitjob just means you will blindly follow whatever conspiracy theory Trump worshippers float. Your perception of reality is beyond warped.
this is all they have. that the Trump movement is a racist movement.
Quote:this is all they have. that the Trump movement is a racist movement.
Not true. His policies are garbage and he is an antagonistic donkey. There's a very long list of reasons to not vote for Trump that have nothing to do with allegations of racism.
Quote:I cannot disagree more with you that Obama has incited racial discord. Even before he was elected, members of the right have been making racist comments or posting racist memes or cartoons about him. How is that him inciting racial discord? The audacity of being black? It's laughable you think Trump who wants to deregulate everything will do anything to hurt his cronies on Wall St. I would not be surprised in the slightest if the perpetrator of this act is never caught. A string of black churches were burned in SC after the Dylan Roof massacre. You likely didn't hear about them and the peep or perps were never caught. Par for the course. Jumping to the conclusion it was a Hillary hitjob just means you will blindly follow whatever conspiracy theory Trump worshippers float. Your perception of reality is beyond warped.
If you can't see it, I'd suggest you extract your head from whatever orifice you've got it inserted in.
Quote:If you can't see it, I'd suggest you extract your head from whatever orifice you've got it inserted in.
Who told you he's inciting racial discord? Doubt you came up with it on your own. How do you quantify such a charge?
Quote:Who told you he's inciting racial discord? Doubt you came up with it on your own. How do you quantify such a charge?
You have been paying attention to the past 8 years, haven't you?
It began with the asinine "Beer Summit" and continues on in BLM.
He's encouraged and flamed the division, where he would have been the perfect person to bridge those gaps.
Look at any statistic relating to racial relations, it's true and has been beyond quite obvious relations have worsened under his lack of leadership on the topic.
"That could've been my son" ~Obama
Quote:You have been paying attention to the past 8 years, haven't you?
It began with the asinine "Beer Summit" and continues on in BLM.
He's encouraged and flamed the division, where he would have been the perfect person to bridge those gaps.
Look at any statistic relating to racial relations, it's true and has been beyond quite obvious relations have worsened under his lack of leadership on the topic.
You're just making that up, right?
Quote:You're just making that up, right?
I'm white therefore I have no voice to talk about it.
Quote:You have been paying attention to the past 8 years, haven't you?
It began with the asinine "Beer Summit" and continues on in BLM.
He's encouraged and flamed the division, where he would have been the perfect person to bridge those gaps.
Look at any statistic relating to racial relations, it's true and has been beyond quite obvious relations have worsened under his lack of leadership on the topic.
The "beer summit" where a white officer had egg on his face for arresting world-renowned scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. for breaking into his own house? Are you serious? Him sitting down with the cop and the guy he falsely arrested are inciting racial discord? I bet Obama killed Trayvon Martin too. Sorry.. have to get off the cuckoo train.
Quote:The "beer summit" where a white officer had egg on his face for arresting world-renowned scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. for breaking into his own house? Are you serious? Him sitting down with the cop and the guy he falsely arrested are inciting racial discord? I bet Obama killed Trayvon Martin too. Sorry.. have to get off the cuckoo train.
Why can't you discuss it?
Our president has never lead this country as a president should on race relations. Every opportunity he's had to lead and raise the conversation to a higher level, he's sunk the discussion like a jilted schoolgirl and acting like a petulant child.
The "Beer Summit" was childish and small minded. It was a glimpse of what was to come regarding his absentee leadership on race relations.
Quote:this is all they have. that the Trump movement is a racist movement.
Nah, that's just the topic of this particular thread. Plenty of other reasons that Trump is a buttclown.
Quote:"That could've been my son" ~Obama
Showing empathy for a kid killed unnecessarily is stoking the flames of racism.
Lobbying for a database of Muslim Americans, saying an American born judge is not trustworthy because of his ethnicity are not. Gotcha.