Quote:Based on your perception of accurate.
When you look at the polls, then judge them against the actual results, that's not opinion.
What I'm referring to is folks like IBD/TIPP
http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-ti...tial-poll/
In polls and in life, you always have to consider the source.
Quote:Also cute how all the Righties claimed the polls were rigged. Guess they've accepted them now.
The fact is, the polls were right then and they're right now. The steady drip drip drip of Wikileaks, combined with the reopening of the FBI investigation, has focused the attention on Clinton. And time after time, whichever candidate gets attention drops in the polls. Because people hate both of them.
do you ever take the time to read the fine print below the poll results where they tell you who was sampled?
Quote:When you look at the polls, then judge them against the actual results, that's not opinion.
What I'm referring to is folks like IBD/TIPP
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-tracking-poll-most-accurate-presidential-poll/'>http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-tracking-poll-most-accurate-presidential-poll/</a>
In polls and in life, you always have to consider the source.
IBD/TIPP is a good poll. Most accurate? No not really. But a good poll as are many others.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/'>http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/</a>
Quote:Also cute how all the Righties claimed the polls were rigged. Guess they've accepted them now.
The fact is, the polls were right then and they're right now. The steady drip drip drip of Wikileaks, combined with the reopening of the FBI investigation, has focused the attention on Clinton. And time after time, whichever candidate gets attention drops in the polls. Because people hate both of them.
The polls for the past month were rigged. They were trying to demoralize the Trump supporters by indicating he had no chance to win, but it didn't work. No network wants to be that far off from the actual result which is why you are seeing "honest" polling being done now.
Quote:IBD/TIPP is a good poll. Most accurate? No not really. But a good poll as are many others.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/'>http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/</a>
Actually, they were the most accurate in recent elections. It's in the very link I provided.
What you've got there is cute, but it really doesn't speak to recent elections alone as I did. And, they "grade" on more than just accuracy, which I would wager is to prop some of their favorites. Similar to what some of the computer modelers did with the old college football ranking system. Throw in other analytics and weighted items to ensure your favorite team gets a nice boost. Working backwards to get a desired outcome. Which, is also what some of the climate fraudsters do as well...
The only meaningful measure to me is accuracy. Whatever the pollsters did to come to that outcome is measured by the outcome itself. Methodology, etc. needs not to be measured, then weighted back in artificially. The results are the results. No need to fudge them with added measures that reflect subjective opinion.
It's simple - were they accurate or not? IBD/TIPP has been most accurate lately in Presidential elections.
Quote:Actually, they were the most accurate in recent elections. It's in the very link I provided.
What you've got there is cute, but it really doesn't speak to recent elections alone as I did. And, they "grade" on more than just accuracy, which I would wager is to prop some of their favorites. Similar to what some of the computer modelers did with the old college football ranking system. Throw in other analytics and weighted items to ensure your favorite team gets a nice boost. Working backwards to get a desired outcome. Which, is also what some of the climate fraudsters do as well...
The only meaningful measure to me is accuracy. Whatever the pollsters did to come to that outcome is measured by the outcome itself. Methodology, etc. needs not to be measured, then weighted back in artificially. The results are the results. No need to fudge them with added measures that reflect subjective opinion.
It's simple - were they accurate or not? IBD/TIPP has been most accurate lately in Presidential elections.
False claims
On 10/31 they had it +3 obama final was Obama + 7.2.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://web.archive.org/web/20081030105941/http://www.realclearpolitics.com/'>https://web.archive.org/web/20081030105941/http://www.realclearpolitics.com/</a>
They do have a history of making their number match RCP on Election Day polls. In truth RCP is truly the most accurate when following polls historically.
Quote:Let's call this what it is: the election is over. Hillary won. This was established long ago. The CBS news showed live footage from a Trump rally tonight. The attendance was such that Whatshisface who's running with Hillary would have been disappointed. So why, shortly before election day, has the race "tightened up"?
My theory: the polls are being manipulated to draw votes away from third-party candidates. If the Libertarian Party in particular were to sneak away with 10% of the vote, or that Evan McMullin guy were to somehow win Utah, do you have any idea how much egg an already-torn establishment from both parties would have on its face?
So, yes, tinfoil hat time, I think that the inexplicable rise of Donald Trump in the polls is nothing more than a ploy to get voters out to the polls, and to make sure that there are no "unwanted" third-party success stories.
Agree? Disagree? Curious about what I'm drinking and want some? Discuss.
I miss Byron LeftTown. I knew Byron LeftTown. You're no Byron LeftTown.
Quote:The polls for the past month were rigged. They were trying to demoralize the Trump supporters by indicating he had no chance to win, but it didn't work. No network wants to be that far off from the actual result which is why you are seeing "honest" polling being done now.
Quote:The polls for the past month were rigged. They were trying to demoralize the Trump supporters by indicating he had no chance to win, but it didn't work. No network wants to be that far off from the actual result which is why you are seeing "honest" polling being done now.
I don't think you believe a word you just typed.
Quote:Let's call this what it is: the election is over. Hillary won. This was established long ago. The CBS news showed live footage from a Trump rally tonight. The attendance was such that Whatshisface who's running with Hillary would have been disappointed. So why, shortly before election day, has the race "tightened up"?
The rally in Eau Claire? It looks like there's a couple hundred there which is seemingly bigger than most of Clinton's rallies.
Quote:False claims
On 10/31 they had it +3 obama final was Obama + 7.2.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://web.archive.org/web/20081030105941/http://www.realclearpolitics.com/'>https://web.archive.org/web/20081030105941/http://www.realclearpolitics.com/</a>
They do have a history of making their number match RCP on Election Day polls. In truth RCP is truly the most accurate when following polls historically.
Whatever you choose to believe... as is always...
Quote:Let's call this what it is: the election is over. Hillary won. This was established long ago. The CBS news showed live footage from a Trump rally tonight. The attendance was such that Whatshisface who's running with Hillary would have been disappointed. So why, shortly before election day, has the race "tightened up"?
My theory: the polls are being manipulated to draw votes away from third-party candidates. If the Libertarian Party in particular were to sneak away with 10% of the vote, or that Evan McMullin guy were to somehow win Utah, do you have any idea how much egg an already-torn establishment from both parties would have on its face?
So, yes, tinfoil hat time, I think that the inexplicable rise of Donald Trump in the polls is nothing more than a ploy to get voters out to the polls, and to make sure that there are no "unwanted" third-party success stories.
Agree? Disagree? Curious about what I'm drinking and want some? Discuss.
You are right about 3 things in the title.
1. Crazy
2. Unfounded
3. Wacky
Quote:Let's call this what it is: the election is over. Hillary won. This was established long ago. The CBS news showed live footage from a Trump rally tonight. The attendance was such that Whatshisface who's running with Hillary would have been disappointed. So why, shortly before election day, has the race "tightened up"?
My theory: the polls are being manipulated to draw votes away from third-party candidates. If the Libertarian Party in particular were to sneak away with 10% of the vote, or that Evan McMullin guy were to somehow win Utah, do you have any idea how much egg an already-torn establishment from both parties would have on its face?
So, yes, tinfoil hat time, I think that the inexplicable rise of Donald Trump in the polls is nothing more than a ploy to get voters out to the polls, and to make sure that there are no "unwanted" third-party success stories.
Agree? Disagree? Curious about what I'm drinking and want some? Discuss.
Why theorize? Wikileaks emails reveal the plan to discourage Trump voters by using oversampling, district-shopping, etc. The specific plan for Florida was to oversample Democrats by 11% and to sample Independents from the Tampa and Orlando areas because they were easily swayed. Independents in North FL and South FL were much more steadfast in their views.
Quote:I miss Byron LeftTown. I knew Byron LeftTown. You're no Byron LeftTown.
I'm still around. Just getting the power back on. Addicted to cold showers now.
Quote:Why theorize? Wikileaks emails reveal the plan to discourage Trump voters by using oversampling, district-shopping, etc. The specific plan for Florida was to oversample Democrats by 11% and to sample Independents from the Tampa and Orlando areas because they were easily swayed. Independents in North FL and South FL were much more steadfast in their views.
we now have documented proof buts its still a "conspiracy theory"
not to mention that the latest ABC poll sampled 10% more Dems than Reps (it's there in plain black and white for anybody to read), and the poll resulted in Trump with a 1 point lead... they cant even get the result they were looking for in their own rigged polls now.
Quote:we now have documented proof buts its still a "conspiracy theory"
not to mention that the latest ABC poll sampled 10% more Dems than Reps (it's there in plain black and white for anybody to read), and the poll resulted in Trump with a 1 point lead... they cant even get the result they were looking for in their own rigged polls now.
Did you gripe when ABC oversampled Democrats in 2012 and had Romney and Obama at a tie on 11/3/2012?
Quote:no, [BAD WORD REMOVED] Romney
There is nothing wrong with the polls. They are being performed the same as they always have been.
Never use a single poll since it nothing more than a single data point.
Eu Claire rally for Trump was reported at 5,000. Equal to about 4 of Hillary's put together.
Quote:Eu Claire rally for Trump was reported at 5,000. Equal to about 4 of Hillary's put together.
I think Hillary averages about 300 people per rally. Let's be generous and say she gets 500. That's 10x less than Trump.