Quote:Nah. Guys like Haley/McDaniels are looking for redemption type HC jobs , Jacksonville is the hardest place to do that + will have the shortest leash as a HC.
Money talks. Owner is patient. Roster is stacked with talent. Don't think it'll be hard to get a big name coach.
Quote:If anything, Khan has shown to be a super patient owner. Any HC candidate will definitely like that.
If there is a case for the Jaguars to retain Gus Bradley for the rest of the season, something that I'm far from sure that there is, what you mentioned is probably the # 1 reason in that potential case.
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I don't see any relation between those two things.
This guy seams smart i posted a video of him talking in the olson fired thread. I believe this guy can make a change. Our d has been good. With an actually half way decent offense. The things he is saying makes sense. Could be a huge difference.
Quote:Money talks. Owner is patient. Roster is stacked with talent. Don't think it'll be hard to get a big name coach.
Unless that big name coach looks at Bortles and thinks: "no, I can't win with that quarterback".
I'm a Bortles fan, but he came out of college with issues with his mechanics and they are still present today. He's likely to be more of a gunslinger type quarterback, which can bring inconsistency to his game, make his accuracy iffy, and in doing so make him turnover prone. He's got the potential to be a 4,000 plus hard passer with 30 TDs, but he's likely to be throwing late teens in INTS. And then there's the fact he puts up a lot of production in garbage time, yet early in games he's not very good (or at least on a consistent basis).
So any new coach looking at this job would need to be confident that they can sort out Bortles' issues, or work around his deficiencies schematically by improving the o line, run game and asking him to pass less. At that point maybe they can win with him, but if they think he's just going to remain the same as he is, then some top coaches might pass and go to a team where they can pick their own quarterback.
And that's without considering he o-line, running game, and the defense. Also, ignoring our general manager and whether they'd want to work with him. In a lot of ways this can be an attractive job, but in others there serious question marks that might put off some coaching candidates.
Quote:Nah. Guys like Haley/McDaniels are looking for redemption type HC jobs , Jacksonville is the hardest place to do that + will have the shortest leash as a HC.
Wouldn't want McDaniels anyway. Cant forgive him for getting wrapped up in Tebow. Even Gene was smarter than that.
Will Marrone get promoted? I'm not sure. If firing Olson was Caldwell and Khan'a move, or the pressure from them to make a change forced Bradley's hand since he didn't sound like he was going to make any changes, then there is potential Bradley could bite the dust if we have another pathetic and embarrassing performance. Marrone could be a good stand in, he did well with the Bills, and maybe he could turn this team around enough to have a positive end to the seal that we can build off.
Quote:So any new coach looking at this job would need to be confident that they can sort out Bortles' issues, or work around his deficiencies schematically by improving the o line, run game and asking him to pass less. At that point maybe they can win with him, but if they think he's just going to remain the same as he is, then some top coaches might pass and go to a team where they can pick their own quarterback.
Why would you assume that Caldwell (or a new GM) would not let a top coaching candidate have the freedom to select their quarterback in Jacksonville?
Quote:Why would you assume that Caldwell (or a new GM) would not let a top coaching candidate have the freedom to select their quarterback in Jacksonville?
Because Franchise qbs don't grow on trees? If Blake can cut down on mistakes he can be really good. And any head coach job be easier if a good qb is in place rather then trying to find one. The draft is a gamble at best and unless make a trade. Great qbs dont reach fa.
Quote:If anything, Khan has shown to be a super patient owner. Any HC candidate will definitely like that.
I don't think this next HC will get the same patience. The problem is Caldwell might not survive another bad year.
Quote:Because Franchise qbs don't grow on trees? If Blake can cut down on mistakes he can be really good.
That's a fine opinion but it's not the point I'm trying to drive home.
I'm saying that a smart GM will not eliminate a top coaching candidate that they truly want to hire just because that coach wants a new QB.
While Bortles
may be fixable, if the coach you most want to hire strongly advocates a new QB for his system, then you hire the coach and let him choose his own QB.
Then get what you can for Bortles in trade down the line after letting him compete with whomever is brought in.
Regardless of what Blake Bortles future with the Jaguars is, his current struggles reinforce the importance of NFL teams doing what the New England Patriots do regularly: draft a QB. Though some of their QBs won't amount to much in the NFL, they have had depth at the position and trade leverage that most teams haven't had on a consistent basis.
That's the hypothesis that JLC/RW is running with at least.
<p style="background-color:transparent;">CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports Nathaniel Hackett's promotion to offensive coordinator "paves the way" for Doug Marrone to take over as interim head coach.
Marrone was passed up at coordinator for Hackett, but Jacksonville is saving him for if/when Gus Bradley gets fired. Bradley's job security is week to week after scapegoating Greg Olson. Marrone managed a nine win season before overrating his interest and opting out of Buffalo. The Jaguars offensive line has been among the worst in the league under him, but Marrone is the in-house candidate to replace Bradley.
Quote:Money talks. Owner is patient. Roster is stacked with talent. Don't think it'll be hard to get a big name coach.
The owner was patient with a 4 year plan. I believe the next HC will have a much shorter leash. If I'm a HC I go to Colts and Lions before I'd go here.
Quote:Wouldn't want McDaniels anyway. Cant forgive him for getting wrapped up in Tebow. Even Gene was smarter than that.
We agree on something. No thanks to either of the Pats coordinators.
Quote:Why would you assume that Caldwell (or a new GM) would not let a top coaching candidate have the freedom to select their quarterback in Jacksonville?
Because we spent a third overall pick on Bortles and he's shown enough ability to be a good quarterback if he can cut down on the turnovers, and turn up early to more games rather than pile on the stats in garbage time.
I doubt we are going to move on from Bortles at this point. He will get another year under a new head coach, at that point if he is still struggling and we are struggling, maybe they bring in competition for him. But even quarterbacks like ryan Tannehil got extended despite being inconsistent and never making the play offs, but showing enough ability to warrant another year he's in his fifth year with the Dolphins.
So I'd say it's pretty safe to say any new head coach will have to want to come and work with Blake Bortles. Only way we may move on from him is if he goes Ryan Fitzpatrick on us, at that point, maybe we do move on. But in all likelihood Bortles is our quarterback next season and our next head coach will have to accept that.
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So I'd say it's pretty safe to say any new head coach will have to want to come and work with Blake Bortles. Only way we may move on from him is if he goes Ryan Fitzpatrick on us, at that point, maybe we do move on. But in all likelihood Bortles is our quarterback next season and our next head coach will have to accept that.
Well put and it all makes perfect sense. I just have a hard time thinking they won't green light a new coach to bring in competition for Bortles right away.
Announcing to every coaching candidate that comes through the door that they must salvage Bortles seems like an unwise move that would eliminate a few good coaching candidates.
Quote:That's a fine opinion but it's not the point I'm trying to drive home.
I'm saying that a smart GM will not eliminate a top coaching candidate that they truly want to hire just because that coach wants a new QB.
While Bortles may be fixable, if the coach you most want to hire strongly advocates a new QB for his system, then you hire the coach and let him choose his own QB.
Then get what you can for Bortles in trade down the line after letting him compete with whomever is brought in.
That would only occur if a coach like Jim Harbaugh came along and told the Jags he'll take the job if he can get a quarterback of his choosing. I doubt very much they would give that same swag to Josh McDaniels or whoever the hot coordinators are this year.
Also, by "giving up" on Bortles after three seasons that doesn't bode well for Caldwell because it affects him negatively. It undermines his player selection if a new head coach dictates a new quarterback. And that's without considering the need to sell everyone on trusting him and the new head coach to pick a new quarterback. If we are that point in giving up on Bortles, it shouldn't just be bye bye Bradley, it should be bye bye Caldwell as well.
Quote:That would only occur if a coach like Jim Harbaugh came along and told the Jags he'll take the job if he can get a quarterback of his choosing. I doubt very much they would give that same swag to Josh McDaniels or whoever the hot coordinators are this year.
Also, by "giving up" on Bortles after three seasons that doesn't bode well for Caldwell because it affects him negatively. It undermines his player selection if a new head coach dictates a new quarterback. And that's without considering the need to sell everyone on trusting him and the new head coach to pick a new quarterback. If we are that point in giving up on Bortles, it shouldn't just be bye bye Bradley, it should be bye bye Caldwell as well.
I disagree. GMs miss on first round QBs more than they hit on them. I don't see it as such a cardinal sin. Franchise QBs are incredibly hard to find. Why shouldn't a GM get two cracks at it?
Quote:I don't think this next HC will get the same patience. The problem is Caldwell might not survive another bad year.
Why not? Khan hasn't shown any reason why he would suddenly change his approach. He's a man of his word and has so far kept it when he said Bradley would get this season to prove himself. He's obviously not moved by fan sentiment.