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Does not make sense.  The offensive line has been terrible.  He has a big part on how bad this line has played.  Why promote a coach who isn't doing a good job?

Quote:Well put and it all makes perfect sense. I just have a hard time thinking they won't green light a new coach to bring in competition for Bortles right away.


Announcing to every coaching candidate that comes through the door that they must salvage Bortles seems like an unwise move that would eliminate a few good coaching candidates.

The issue here is if Caldwell keeps his job, then can he afford to give up on his third overall selection? I don't think so. His left tackle prospect has flopped, his quarterback will have flopped. Some other draft selections and free agent additions have flopped. Sure he's hit on some players, but he's walking a tight rope now, and I doubt he can go up to Khan and say "we are moving on from Bortles" and keep his job. At that point I think Khan would pull the trigger and fire him as well, then let a new GM decide things.


As for telling coaching candidates they have to work with Bortles, maybe that does put some people off, but he's the guy in Jacksonville and that's the player you have to sell your coaching candidate on. It's like the Dolphins and Tannehill, a package deal, and Gase went for it. I think we'll be the same in that our new head coach will be someone that wants to work with Bortles, if that rules out some people, so be it because this is Bortles' team until he's proven unworthy.


I wouldn't be against competition, but it would never be (or is unlikely to be) a legitimate one. Take Dalton and Mccarron, the latter was never going to beat out Dalton. It was as much about adding cover and getting that future guy if things go wrong, but it was still dalton's team and role despite them drafting Mccarron. Same would happen here if we grab a guy on day two. He's there's to replace Henne and add insurance.

Quote:I disagree. GMs miss on first round QBs more than they hit on them.  I don't see it as such a cardinal sin. Franchise QBs are incredibly hard to find. Why shouldn't a GM get two cracks at it? 

 

  Though I agree that there's a high rate of misses with QBs drafted in the 1st Round,  in most cases the only way the GM is going to have a second chance at finding a Franchise QB is if the team owner likes his overall body of work.   How Shad Khan feels about Dave Caldwell's overall body of work could become a key question if Blake Bortles doesn't make significant improvements over the course of the remainder of this season.

Quote:  Though I agree that there's a high rate of misses with QBs drafted in the 1st Round,  in most cases the only way the GM is going to have a second chance at finding a Franchise QB is if the team owner likes his overall body of work.   How Shad Khan feels about Dave Caldwell's overall body of work could become a key question if Blake Bortles doesn't make significant improvements over the course of the remainder of this season.

Not if it is found out he has a disease such as alcoholism.  That can't be fixed in 8 or 9 games. 

Quote:Why not? Khan hasn't shown any reason why he would suddenly change his approach. He's a man of his word and has so far kept it when he said Bradley would get this season to prove himself. He's obviously not moved by fan sentiment.

Because the 4 year plan was based on the fact that the roster was being blown up and built from the ground up. The roster has talent now so I can't see him giving another 4 years to a new HC to get us to the playoffs.


Also I don't believe Caldwell will survive another bad year after this one. This means the new HC runs the risk of losing the GM he signs with after 1 year and risks a new GM coming in and replacing him.

Quote:Not if it is found out he has a disease such as alcoholism.  That can't be fixed in 8 or 9 games. 

 

  Yet,  it might get back to concerns by some regarding Blake Bortles off the field before the Jaguars drafted him. 

 

  Ultimately,  Dave Caldwell is going to be responsible for the football decisions made by the Jaguars unless Shad Khan overrules Caldwell on one or more decisions.  

Quote:I disagree. GMs miss on first round QBs more than they hit on them. I don't see it as such a cardinal sin. Franchise QBs are incredibly hard to find. Why shouldn't a GM get two cracks at it?

Because it's not just Bortles, it's Joeckel, it's Yeldon, it's the free agents who haven't panned out. For all the talent he's acquired, he's also had his fair share of busts as well. The team hasn't become what everyone hoped, and while it is often the head coach that bites the dust first, it is not uncommon to see the GM go as well. Bradley is partly at fault because he hasn't got the best out of this team, but equally it is Caldwell that put it together so he has a fair amount of blame for this situation as well.


So is he in a position to go to Khan and tell him that Bortles is a bust? I don't think so because he would need to sell Khan on getting it right second time round and would need more time. I just don't see Khan going with that when taking everything into account. If Caldwell is to stay, I think he needs to get Khan to believe that a new head coach is what they need to take that next step, because as soon as it becomes a new head coach and a new quarterback, it is like going up to someone for an extension on an extended deadline - more often than not, it doesn't go well.

Quote:  Though I agree that there's a high rate of misses with QBs drafted in the 1st Round,  in most cases the only way the GM is going to have a second chance at finding a Franchise QB is if the team owner likes his overall body of work.   How Shad Khan feels about Dave Caldwell's overall body of work could become a key question if Blake Bortles doesn't make significant improvements over the course of the remainder of this season.

I understand Caldwell's body of work is in question if he gives a new coach the go ahead on a new QB.

 

I also understand that Khan hired Caldwell, signed off on the Bradley hire and agreed to an unprecedented move of extreme patience by essentially giving them four years to figure it out and build through the draft. 

 

In other words - giving a GM a second shot at landing a QB may be extremely unconventional -  but I believe we have an extremely unconventional owner and missing on Bortles may not be the final nail in Dave's coffin (should it come to that.)

 

At any rate, I value Caldwell's overall body of work as GM in Jax  even if Blake busts.  

I have no clue if Khan feels that way, but if he does retain Caldwell, I feel that saddling Bortles to any potential new HC hire would be a grave error that limits the team's options. 

Quote:So is he in a position to go to Khan and tell him that Bortles is a bust?

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm talking about not forcing him on a new hire at HC. There is a distinction there. 

Quote:I understand Caldwell's body of work is in question if he gives a new coach the go ahead on a new QB.

 

I also understand that Khan hired Caldwell, signed off on the Bradley hire and agreed to an unprecedented move of extreme patience by essentially giving them four years to figure it out and build through the draft. 

 

In other words - giving a GM a second shot at landing a QB may be extremely unconventional -  but I believe we have an extremely unconventional owner and missing on Bortles may not be the final nail in Dave's coffin (should it come to that.)

 

At any rate, I value Caldwell's overall body of work as GM in Jax  even if Blake busts.  

I have no clue if Khan feels that way, but if he does retain Caldwell, I feel that saddling Bortles to any potential new HC hire would be a grave error that limits the team's options. 

 

 

  Assuming Dave Caldwell is still the Jaguars GM in 2017,   I think he should use the HC interviews ( assuming Gus Bradley is let go ) to learn as much as possible from candidates about Blake Bortles and the Jaguars personnel in general.   Sometimes,  a fresh perspective can provide invaluable information.

 

  If the HC candidates indicate to Caldwell that they have major concerns about Bortles moving forward,  he probably will have to put a plan in place to at least have a viable alternative QB in the organization.    It doesn't necessarily have to be a 1st or 2nd Round pick but staying pat at the position wouldn't be an option.

Quote:  Assuming Dave Caldwell is still the Jaguars GM in 2017,   I think he should use the HC interviews ( assuming Gus Bradley is let go ) to learn as much as possible from candidates about Blake Bortles and the Jaguars personnel in general.   Sometimes,  a fresh perspective can provide invaluable information.

 

  If the HC candidates indicate to Caldwell that they have major concerns about Bortles moving forward,  he probably will have to put a plan in place to at least have a viable alternative QB in the organization.    It doesn't necessarily have to be a 1st or 2nd Round pick but staying pat at the position wouldn't be an option.

Couldn't agree more. 

Quote:Hackett isn't exactly grade A offensive coordinator material, but maybe he has a trick or two up his sleeve. At the very least, he has to have more of a clue about getting the run game going.


 

As for Gus, it's been said that Khan doesn't like to fire HC's mid-season, but you certainly can't put it past him considering he fired Del Rio mid-season.

 

Wayne Weaver fired JDR.

Quote:It will likely be the least desirable HC job on the market. With Caldwell on the hot seat after this year its basically a win now HC job, not sure too many will want to take that on with Bortles/a rookie QB at the helm.

 

Dave Caldwell is not on the hot seat. Fans are making that up.

Quote:Dave Caldwell is not on the hot seat. Fans are making that up.

 

  Time will tell.  

 

  With all due respect,   considering where the Jaguars currently are,  all key decision makers and coaches in the organization could easily be on the hot seat.    The NFL is a performance based league.   Some owners are more patient than others.    But even patient owners eventually run out of patience. 

Quote:Does not make sense.  The offensive line has been terrible.  He has a big part on how bad this line has played.  Why promote a coach who isn't doing a good job?

 

Doug Marrone is the AHC and a former HC. He had a winning record as Buffalo's HC. Exactly how is it a bad idea to promote him? Easy pick.

15-17 is not a winning record.

Quote:Doug Marrone is the AHC and a former HC. He had a winning record as Buffalo's HC. Exactly how is it a bad idea to promote him? Easy pick.

Doug isnt a good coach. Interim HC till the seasons over and we can blow this whole thing up? fine


Any more than that and were screwed

Quote:Doug isn't a good coach. Interim HC till the seasons over and we can blow this whole thing up? fine


Any more than that and were screwed

 

How did Doug Marrone win nine games in his second season with the Bills? It wasn't his QB, a guy named E.J. Manuel. Marrone may not be very good but he must have done something right in Buffalo.

Quote:How did Doug Marrone win nine games in his second season with the Bills? It wasn't his QB, a guy named E.J. Manuel. Marrone may not be very good but he must have done something right in Buffalo.

 

 

  One thing Doug Marrone did right in terms of getting to 9 wins is hiring Jim Schwartz as his Defensive Coordinator.   The Bills were 4th in total Defense that season.

Quote:One thing Doug Marrone did right in terms of getting to 9 wins is hiring Jim Schwartz as his Defensive Coordinator. The Bills were 4th in total Defense that season.

 

That was one thing so many posters wanted: Jim Schwartz for  DC. I don't know why JS picked the Eagles, but he is definitely doing good things in Philadelphia.

 

I agree with the decision to fire an offensive assistant first.