Quote:I mean respectable as in record..
Like who? Who will be available? If they had a "respectable" record they'd be coaching, wouldn't they?
Usually you have to take a chance. Only later do you find out that the guy is good or bad. And of course a lot of that depends on the players he has to work with.
A number of people who post here make it sound so easy. And I'm assuming we'll get an offensive minded coach. That's how it usually works in the NFL. If you fire a defensive coach you hire an offensive guy. Or the reverse - i. e., Coughlin replaced by Del Rio; Del Rio replaced by Mularkey; Mularkey replaced by Bradley; Bradley replaced by ... probably someone's OC (I hope it's someone people have heard of, so he'll be considered as a "good hire".
Quote:Like who? Who will be available? If they had a "respectable" record they'd be coaching, wouldn't they?
Usually you have to take a chance. Only later do you find out that the guy is good or bad. And of course a lot of that depends on the players he has to work with.
A number of people who post here make it sound so easy. And I'm assuming we'll get an offensive minded coach. That's how it usually works in the NFL. If you fire a defensive coach you hire an offensive guy. Or the reverse - i. e., Coughlin replaced by Del Rio; Del Rio replaced by Mularkey; Mularkey replaced by Bradley; Bradley replaced by ... probably someone's OC (I hope it's someone people have heard of, so he'll be considered as a "good hire".
Don't know of a coach off the top of my head. That's why I said faith and not belief. Khan hasn't given me a real reason to lose faith. Sorry if I'm not in wrist cutting mode like the rest.
But then again, any coach with a better record than 14-41 can look respectable compared to Gus
Quote:of course every fan has a choice...everyone threatens to not renew season tickets or more buy more gear, some even follow through with it, but they will come back when the changes are made, whether it's during mid season or at the end of the season...The cold hard truth is that thanks to the revenue sharing from tv contracts, it's difficult to lose money in the nfl...Which means Khan probably won't feel the difference if some fans boycott jags games
We all know Khan more than likely wont make a coaching change in season so we are just gonna have to suck it up and deal with it
Maybe, maybe not. I've been a fan since the beginning and even during the past decades' losing seasons, the fans have stuck with the Jags pretty loyally. But there is simultaneously both anger and apathy going on that you didn't see when people were calling for Tom Coughlin, JDR, or even Mike Mularkey to be fired.
Maybe it's the 14-41 record under Gus, or the fact that team flat out quit against the Titans, but this just "feels" different.
You have this idea that I'm taking this personally or something. I'm not. I'm not threatening to stop watching the games for the rest of the season. I'm not going to go out of my way to watch them, but since I already paid for NFL Sunday Ticket, I'll watch the Jags in the background even though I know the season is pretty much lost. There are young players that I hope will develop and things like that.
And yes, with revenue sharing, it is hard to not make money in the NFL.
But the Jags have been losing consistently for the past 10 years. They've developed a culture of losing and they aren't developing that winning tradition and loyalty of the next generation of Jags fans. A lot of the message board posters are old-timers who are Jags fans from the beginning, when the Jags first came to Jacksonville.
Sure, the owner can do what he wants. I'm not arguing that. But if you want to build your fanbase, sticking with the worst coach in modern NFL history may not be the best way to do it.
I feel like he could of kept Gus for whatever reason and kept the fans faith that he wants to win by firing Greg Olson. ... regardless of execution, the play calling has always been bad on his watch. A new OC cant be worse and it would show some accountability. Imagine suddenly becoming a team that scores in the first quarter lol
Quote:I feel like he could of kept Gus for whatever reason and kept the fans faith that he wants to win by firing Greg Olson. ... regardless of execution, the play calling has always been bad on his watch. A new OC cant be worse and it would show some accountability. Imagine suddenly becoming a team that scores in the first quarter lol
Definitely. Olson now, Gus asap afterwards or at the end of the season.
Quote:But then again, any coach with a better record than 14-41 can look respectable compared to Gus
As I said in another thread already... we could hire Dennis Greene (RIP) and it would be an improvement.
Quote:Definitely. Olson now, Gus asap afterwards or at the end of the season.
Exactly. If new OC fails, gus and his whole staff are gone anyways
Quote:Who says it has to be a coach under a current contract?
winning coaches already have jobs...coaches don't become open to coach another team when theirs is winning...good coaches already have jobs
Quote:winning coaches already have jobs...coaches don't become open to coach another team when theirs is winning...good coaches already have jobs
You don't think a Josh McDaniels or a Teryl Austin would be a huge step up from Gus?
If you're putting all your chips in the pile for a Billacheat or equal, you've already lost..
Quote:Maybe, maybe not. I've been a fan since the beginning and even during the past decades' losing seasons, the fans have stuck with the Jags pretty loyally. But there is simultaneously both anger and apathy going on that you didn't see when people were calling for Tom Coughlin, JDR, or even Mike Mularkey to be fired.
Maybe it's the 14-41 record under Gus, or the fact that team flat out quit against the Titans, but this just "feels" different.
You have this idea that I'm taking this personally or something. I'm not. I'm not threatening to stop watching the games for the rest of the season. I'm not going to go out of my way to watch them, but since I already paid for NFL Sunday Ticket, I'll watch the Jags in the background even though I know the season is pretty much lost. There are young players that I hope will develop and things like that.
And yes, with revenue sharing, it is hard to not make money in the NFL.
But the Jags have been losing consistently for the past 10 years. They've developed a culture of losing and they aren't developing that winning tradition and loyalty of the next generation of Jags fans. A lot of the message board posters are old-timers who are Jags fans from the beginning, when the Jags first came to Jacksonville.
Sure, the owner can do what he wants. I'm not arguing that. But if you want to build your fanbase, sticking with the worst coach in modern NFL history may not be the best way to do it.
I lived in Jax from 1990 to 2007...I was a season ticket holder until I moved up here to Pa. I am well aware of the saga of the Jags..Khan didn't make himself a multi billionaire by bowing down to outside pressure...His advisers and staff have many more years experience in the NFL than any of us...I would be a fool the think that myself or anyone on this board knows more about football than the Jags front office and anyone on this board who thinks they know more about running an nfl franchise is an idiot...I would venture to guess not a single poster on this board has ever even set foot in an NFL execs office, let alone make a decision for an nfl franchise, while the front office people have decades of experience in the nfl...Now that being said, no one is infallible, no one will never make mistakes, but my money is on decades of experience as opposed to arm chair GMs, coaches and execs...
Quote:You don't think a Josh McDaniels or a Teryl Austin would be a huge step up from Gus?
If you're putting all your chips in the pile for a Billacheat or equal, you've already lost..
"In 2009, McDaniels was hired as the
head coach of the
Denver Broncos. At the time of his hiring, 33-year-old McDaniels was the youngest head coach in the NFL, although less than a week later the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers named
Raheem Morris, who is five months younger, as their head coach.<sup>
[1]</sup> McDaniels was fired by Denver after a 3–9 start in
2010. He spent the 2011 season as offensive coordinator of the <a class="" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Rams' title="St. Louis Rams">St. Louis Rams</a>, but he was released by the Rams for the
2011–12 NFL playoffs to serve as an offensive assistant for the Patriots in their run to
Super Bowl XLVI." Not real impressive 3 teams in 3 years
Austin has never been a HC before so he's not your "winning coach or experienced HC"
Quote:I lived in Jax from 1990 to 2007...I was a season ticket holder until I moved up here to Pa. I am well aware of the saga of the Jags..Khan didn't make himself a multi billionaire by bowing down to outside pressure...His advisers and staff have many more years experience in the NFL than any of us...I would be a fool the think that myself or anyone on this board knows more about football than the Jags front office and anyone on this board who thinks they know more about running an nfl franchise is an idiot...I would venture to guess not a single poster on this board has ever even set foot in an NFL execs office, let alone make a decision for an nfl franchise, while the front office people have decades of experience in the nfl...Now that being said, no one is infallible, no one will never make mistakes, but my money is on decades of experience as opposed to arm chair GMs, coaches and execs...
I totally agree - no one on this board knows more about running a franchise than the Jags front office.
The problem is - other franchises simply know more about running their franchises better than the Jags know how to run theirs. That's indisputable. Worst record in the NFL over the past 10 years. Worst head coach in NFL history.
The problem isn't the fans. The problem isn't message board posters whiffing on draft picks and head coaches.
The problem is the Jags front office. Yeah, they know more than me, they know more than you. But if they knew more than other NFL front offices, they wouldn't be the worst franchise in the NFL over the past decade.
That's what has to change.
Quote:Todd Haley.
You can make a good argument for HC for him
Quote:I totally agree - no one on this board knows more about running a franchise than the Jags front office.
The problem is - other franchises simply know more about running their franchises better than the Jags know how to run theirs. That's indisputable. Worst record in the NFL over the past 10 years. Worst head coach in NFL history.
The problem isn't the fans. The problem isn't message board posters whiffing on draft picks and head coaches.
The problem is the Jags front office. Yeah, they know more than me, they know more than you. But if they knew more than other NFL front offices, they wouldn't be the worst franchise in the NFL over the past decade.
That's what has to change.
yup it has to change but it's not as simple as some people think...some think ya just grab a new gm and HC coach and you will be fixed by the start of next season...Ever look at posts on here right after every draft? You see stuff like we are going to be beasting next year, 11-5, no way we can't go deep into the playoffs, we should have a #1 defense/offense, all kinds of high expectations before players even sign their contracts...I agree we are behind on the rebuild, in a perfect world we would be running with the big dogs...The jags took a chance on a young DC as HC, it didn't work, now they are going to have to try again
Quote:yup it has to change but it's not as simple as some people think...some think ya just grab a new gm and HC coach and you will be fixed by the start of next season...Ever look at posts on here right after every draft? You see stuff like we are going to be beasting next year, 11-5, no way we can't go deep into the playoffs, we should have a #1 defense/offense, all kinds of high expectations before players even sign their contracts...I agree we are behind on the rebuild, in a perfect world we would be running with the big dogs...The jags took a chance on a young DC as HC, it didn't work, now they are going to have to try again
New GM, new HC, all new assistant coaches, likely many new scouts, all the players having to learn new systems, figure at least 1/3 of the roster will turn over in the offseason - at best you can hope for in 2017 is somewhere between 4-12 and 8-8. And with the long history of losing, that makes it even harder to attract quality coaches and free agents.
It's not going be a quick or easy rebuild.
My only real "hope" is that Blake can somehow be fixed, because if they have to use their 2017 1st round pick on a QB, that means the O-line is going to be neglected.
Quote:New GM, new HC, all new assistant coaches, likely many new scouts, all the players having to learn new systems, figure at least 1/3 of the roster will turn over in the offseason - at best you can hope for in 2017 is somewhere between 4-12 and 8-8. And with the long history of losing, that makes it even harder to attract quality coaches and free agents.
It's not going be a quick or easy rebuild.
My only real "hope" is that Blake can somehow be fixed, because if they have to use their 2017 1st round pick on a QB, that means the O-line is going to be neglected.
the other side of this coin is...It may make it even more attractive for a quality coach...It would look really good to be "
THE coach who turned the Jacksonville Jaguars into a winning team again" Supposedly we have a lot of talent on this team...If that's really true, we don't need a total rebuild...All we need is a coaching staff who can develop players...We don't have that now and haven't had that since Coughlin
I think Caldwell is fine, we will have to wait until we get a new coaching staff to see
Quote:I feel like he could of kept Gus for whatever reason and kept the fans faith that he wants to win by firing Greg Olson. ... regardless of execution, the play calling has always been bad on his watch. A new OC cant be worse and it would show some accountability. Imagine suddenly becoming a team that scores in the first quarter lol
wow! The Dear Kahn Post actually worked
Quote:wow! The Dear Kahn Post actually worked
yeah I'm sure thats what did it