(01-30-2018, 08:42 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]But he's so much better than Bottles that we just have to destroy our salary cap to get his choking ways on this team. Or the guy from KC who can't seem to throw a TD pass to a wide out, maybe him. Either of those is clearly an upgrade over the guy who plays exactly within the scheme the coaches want, won the Buffalo game with his legs, outscored Big Ben in porksburgh, and traded punches with the GOAT and his Merry Band of Referees in Foxboro Forest.
Cousins is light years better than Bortles.
Have a feeling this tune will change next year with the much more difficult schedule and much improved division.
No he's not significantly better than Blake so get lost and get over yourself
neat little nugget
when the final margin of victory is between 0-7 points
Bortles: 95-180, 999 yards, 52%, 4 TD, 6 INT
Cousins: 104-153, 1,274 yards, 68%, 8 TD 1 INT
4th quarter when the score was within a TD, winning or losing
Bortles: 23-51, 206 yards, 45%, 0 TD, 5 INT
Cousins: 34-54, 446 yards, 63%, 2 TD, 2 INT
(01-30-2018, 08:53 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]neat little nugget
when the final margin of victory is between 0-7 points
Bortles: 95-180, 999 yards, 52%, 4 TD, 6 INT
Cousins: 104-153, 1,274 yards, 68%, 8 TD 1 INT
4th quarter when the score was within a TD, winning or losing
Bortles: 23-51, 206 yards, 45%, 0 TD, 5 INT
Cousins: 34-54, 446 yards, 63%, 2 TD, 2 INT
Cherry picked stats, we can all find them and spin them. Don't mean much.
Cousins is about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL. He has 3 full seasons as the QB for the Redskins. In those 3 seasons, he has taken them to the playoffs one time (2015) and they lost that game. He can't even carry his own team, yet hes about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL? No thank you.
Further more, who's to say he even shows up after getting that much money? He could pack it in for 3-4 years, knowing he's completely safe and he can just coast his way to another contract. You sign somebody to that kind of money, you sure as hell aren't going to cut him anytime soon because that cap hit will be huge.
Cousins might be an upgrade, but he isn't $8-10mil better than Bortles and he sure as hell isn't anywhere close to deserving to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
(01-30-2018, 09:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 08:53 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]neat little nugget
when the final margin of victory is between 0-7 points
Bortles: 95-180, 999 yards, 52%, 4 TD, 6 INT
Cousins: 104-153, 1,274 yards, 68%, 8 TD 1 INT
4th quarter when the score was within a TD, winning or losing
Bortles: 23-51, 206 yards, 45%, 0 TD, 5 INT
Cousins: 34-54, 446 yards, 63%, 2 TD, 2 INT
Cherry picked stats, we can all find them and spin them. Don't mean much.
Cousins is about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL. He has 3 full seasons as the QB for the Redskins. In those 3 seasons, he has taken them to the playoffs one time (2015) and they lost that game. He can't even carry his own team, yet hes about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL? No thank you.
Further more, who's to say he even shows up after getting that much money? He could pack it in for 3-4 years, knowing he's completely safe and he can just coast his way to another contract. You sign somebody to that kind of money, you sure as hell aren't going to cut him anytime soon because that cap hit will be huge.
Cousins might be an upgrade, but he isn't $8-10mil better than Bortles and he sure as hell isn't anywhere close to deserving to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
I don't need to cherry pick anything. all the stats are in Cousins favor. Bortles is a bad QB in crunch time, this will be a major problem next year with a very difficult schedule and improved division.
I'm not sure how much Cousins is about to be paid, but he is a very clear upgrade and can probably be afforded next year and beyond. I'm not an expert on the cap, but there will be vets that can be cut in the coming years to clear space (both safeties, Dareus, Parnell, Hurns, Campbell). Only Jack and Ramsey (and maybe ARob) are the only guys needed to be paid soon. The time is now to win.
There is no guarantee Jags are able to snag a developmental QB to groom behind him in the draft. The free agent class next year includes, A Smith, Matt Ryan (not going to hit the market) and Tyrod. Bortles isn't going to make less than 19 mil in his next contract from the Jags.
And football is a team game. The Redskins defense has been in the bottom 10 the last 3 years (bottom 5 twice) and Cousins has led them to 24 wins those three years. Bortles needs the easiest schedule in the league and the top defense to squeak to 10 wins.
(01-30-2018, 09:41 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 09:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Cherry picked stats, we can all find them and spin them. Don't mean much.
Cousins is about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL. He has 3 full seasons as the QB for the Redskins. In those 3 seasons, he has taken them to the playoffs one time (2015) and they lost that game. He can't even carry his own team, yet hes about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL? No thank you.
Further more, who's to say he even shows up after getting that much money? He could pack it in for 3-4 years, knowing he's completely safe and he can just coast his way to another contract. You sign somebody to that kind of money, you sure as hell aren't going to cut him anytime soon because that cap hit will be huge.
Cousins might be an upgrade, but he isn't $8-10mil better than Bortles and he sure as hell isn't anywhere close to deserving to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
I don't need to cherry pick anything. all the stats are in Cousins favor. Bortles is a bad QB in crunch time, this will be a major problem next year with a very difficult schedule and improved division.
I'm not sure how much Cousins is about to be paid, but he is a very clear upgrade and can probably be afforded next year and beyond. I'm not an expert on the cap, but there will be vets that can be cut in the coming years to clear space (both safeties, Dareus, Parnell, Hurns, Campbell). Only Jack and Ramsey (and maybe ARob) are the only guys needed to be paid soon. The time is now to win.
There is no guarantee Jags are able to snag a developmental QB to groom behind him in the draft. The free agent class next year includes, A Smith, Matt Ryan (not going to hit the market) and Tyrod. Bortles isn't going to make less than 19 mil in his next contract from the Jags.
He also proved his ability to be able to carry a team on his back!! Only 10 teams had more wins in the N.F.C. this season.
Oh wait.......... That is not good.
(01-30-2018, 09:41 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 09:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Cherry picked stats, we can all find them and spin them. Don't mean much.
Cousins is about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL. He has 3 full seasons as the QB for the Redskins. In those 3 seasons, he has taken them to the playoffs one time (2015) and they lost that game. He can't even carry his own team, yet hes about to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL? No thank you.
Further more, who's to say he even shows up after getting that much money? He could pack it in for 3-4 years, knowing he's completely safe and he can just coast his way to another contract. You sign somebody to that kind of money, you sure as hell aren't going to cut him anytime soon because that cap hit will be huge.
Cousins might be an upgrade, but he isn't $8-10mil better than Bortles and he sure as hell isn't anywhere close to deserving to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
I don't need to cherry pick anything. all the stats are in Cousins favor. Bortles is a bad QB in crunch time, this will be a major problem next year with a very difficult schedule and improved division.
I'm not sure how much Cousins is about to be paid, but he is a very clear upgrade and can probably be afforded next year and beyond. I'm not an expert on the cap, but there will be vets that can be cut in the coming years to clear space (both safeties, Dareus, Parnell, Hurns, Campbell). Only Jack and Ramsey (and maybe ARob) are the only guys needed to be paid soon. The time is now to win.
There is no guarantee Jags are able to snag a developmental QB to groom behind him in the draft. The free agent class next year includes, A Smith, Matt Ryan (not going to hit the market) and Tyrod. Bortles isn't going to make less than 19 mil in his next contract from the Jags.
What do you mean you aren't sure what Cousins is about to be paid? Stafford literally just signed for $27 million per year. Cousins and his agent have already said they're shooting for at least that and he's going to get it.
We got ARob this season who needs to get paid. Maybe they franchise tag him, but then he'll need to get paid next year. Then you can add Ramsey, who is likely going to be the highest paid CB. Then you can add Yannick Ngakoue, who you are leaving out and he's going to get a big pay day as well. Then add Myles Jack into the mix as well.
What about Fowler? We're going to let him walk? Maybe, but that opens up a hole. Then you add 1, or 2 of the big DL guys. Campbell, Jackson and Dareus. Are we just going to completely dump 1/3 of our DL? We just signed Church and we're already cutting him? Gipson isn't elite, but he isn't anywhere close to bad either. Who's going to replace them? Rookies? Maybe Wilson can fill in, but we haven't seen enough of him to really know.
Dump Parnell? After Linder, he is probably our best OL guy at the moment. Cam Robinson looks very promising, but he still has plenty to improve on. And that's not saying Parnell is great by any means, but the last thing this team needs to do is weaken an OL that needs multiple upgrades already.
You'd rather destroy our Defense, that we 100% know is really damn good, in hopes of paying a guy to play like Aaron Rodgers, when he isn't anywhere close to the level of QB that Rodgers is?
(01-30-2018, 09:47 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 09:41 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]I don't need to cherry pick anything. all the stats are in Cousins favor. Bortles is a bad QB in crunch time, this will be a major problem next year with a very difficult schedule and improved division.
I'm not sure how much Cousins is about to be paid, but he is a very clear upgrade and can probably be afforded next year and beyond. I'm not an expert on the cap, but there will be vets that can be cut in the coming years to clear space (both safeties, Dareus, Parnell, Hurns, Campbell). Only Jack and Ramsey (and maybe ARob) are the only guys needed to be paid soon. The time is now to win.
There is no guarantee Jags are able to snag a developmental QB to groom behind him in the draft. The free agent class next year includes, A Smith, Matt Ryan (not going to hit the market) and Tyrod. Bortles isn't going to make less than 19 mil in his next contract from the Jags.
He also proved his ability to be able to carry a team on his back!! Only 10 teams had more wins in the N.F.C. this season.
Oh wait.......... That is not good.
see the edit on that
7-9 this year with the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, and a bottom 10 defense.
Blake goes 10-6 with the 25th ranked schedule and top rated defense.
its not even a debate
(01-30-2018, 09:58 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 09:47 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]He also proved his ability to be able to carry a team on his back!! Only 10 teams had more wins in the N.F.C. this season.
Oh wait.......... That is not good.
see the edit on that
7-9 this year with the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, and a bottom 10 defense.
Blake goes 10-6 with the 25th ranked schedule and top rated defense.
its not even a debate
Give up bro we not getting Kirk Cousins and we're keeping Blake so get over it
(01-30-2018, 09:58 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 09:47 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]He also proved his ability to be able to carry a team on his back!! Only 10 teams had more wins in the N.F.C. this season.
Oh wait.......... That is not good.
see the edit on that
7-9 this year with the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, and a bottom 10 defense.
Blake goes 10-6 with the 25th ranked schedule and top rated defense.
its not even a debate
I love it when people post this...
...while actually debating the topic they are downplaying.
That's pretty funny.
Anywhoo - There are clearly arguments to be made for going all in on the QB upgrade if you happen to believe in Kirk Cousins ( or Smith, or whomever) and you also think the Jags brass can keep the roster talent elevated given the ensuing cap issues.
If you don't feel so good about those two things - there are arguments to be made for keeping Bortles and adding an up-and-comer in the draft to potentially unseat Bortles sooner or later.
I'm leaning toward the latter as I would love to see the rest of this roster stay largely intact.
(01-30-2018, 08:50 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 08:42 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]Cousins is light years better than Bortles.
No he's not significantly better than Blake so get lost and get over yourself
(01-30-2018, 10:00 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 09:58 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]see the edit on that
7-9 this year with the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, and a bottom 10 defense.
Give up bro we not getting Kirk Cousins and we're keeping Blake so get over it
Settle down with all the "get over it" posts, please. Your post history is littered with them. People come here to share opinions.
They don't need to accept your opinion and "get over" their own.
People disagree about things. Get ove-- nevermind.
Yeah time to get comfortable with Blake at qb. This is what should happen. He’s young and can still get better. It allows you to get a team friendly deal done to have money for the defense in the future.
He played really well with rookie receivers so I think that tells you he can get it done with less than optimal talent around him. If we draft some good offensive play makers (and a developmental qb) we’ll be set up very nicely for the foreseeable future.
(01-30-2018, 09:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2018, 09:41 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]I don't need to cherry pick anything. all the stats are in Cousins favor. Bortles is a bad QB in crunch time, this will be a major problem next year with a very difficult schedule and improved division.
I'm not sure how much Cousins is about to be paid, but he is a very clear upgrade and can probably be afforded next year and beyond. I'm not an expert on the cap, but there will be vets that can be cut in the coming years to clear space (both safeties, Dareus, Parnell, Hurns, Campbell). Only Jack and Ramsey (and maybe ARob) are the only guys needed to be paid soon. The time is now to win.
There is no guarantee Jags are able to snag a developmental QB to groom behind him in the draft. The free agent class next year includes, A Smith, Matt Ryan (not going to hit the market) and Tyrod. Bortles isn't going to make less than 19 mil in his next contract from the Jags.
What do you mean you aren't sure what Cousins is about to be paid? Stafford literally just signed for $27 million per year. Cousins and his agent have already said they're shooting for at least that and he's going to get it.
We got ARob this season who needs to get paid. Maybe they franchise tag him, but then he'll need to get paid next year. Then you can add Ramsey, who is likely going to be the highest paid CB. Then you can add Yannick Ngakoue, who you are leaving out and he's going to get a big pay day as well. Then add Myles Jack into the mix as well.
What about Fowler? We're going to let him walk? Maybe, but that opens up a hole. Then you add 1, or 2 of the big DL guys. Campbell, Jackson and Dareus. Are we just going to completely dump 1/3 of our DL? We just signed Church and we're already cutting him? Gipson isn't elite, but he isn't anywhere close to bad either. Who's going to replace them? Rookies? Maybe Wilson can fill in, but we haven't seen enough of him to really know.
Dump Parnell? After Linder, he is probably our best OL guy at the moment. Cam Robinson looks very promising, but he still has plenty to improve on. And that's not saying Parnell is great by any means, but the last thing this team needs to do is weaken an OL that needs multiple upgrades already.
You'd rather destroy our Defense, that we 100% know is really damn good, in hopes of paying a guy to play like Aaron Rodgers, when he isn't anywhere close to the level of QB that Rodgers is?
I know he is getting paid, but will it be close to what Stafford got or over $30 mil like some speculate.
I did forget about Yannick and to an extent Fowler, but no major pay raises on defense are due until 2020 with Fowler, Jack, and Yannick. That's plenty of time to get creative with the cap.
Releasing Ivory, Hurns, Nortman and Bortles opens up 52 in cap for Cousins and Robinson. Then you don't need to worry about extensions for two more years and you still have the core locked up for a super bowl run with a real quarterback and elite defense.
Assuming Caldwell keeps up his really good drafting, then you have cheap guys on rookie contracts to replace the Church, Parnell, Dareus, etc and it won't be a huge downgrade.
Skins just traded for Alex Smith
Smith is getting a $94M deal. Let that sink in. Cousins will demand more than that...
It's like the SAT in here...
TheSchmidt is to _____________ as SpaceCoastJag is to Bortles.
(01-30-2018, 11:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Smith is getting a $94M deal. Let that sink in. Cousins will demand more than that...
And Smith at Blake's age was a steaming pile of cow crap.
Goodbye Bortles. Jaguars now have a natural thrower in Cousins.
(01-30-2018, 11:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Smith is getting a $94M deal. Let that sink in. Cousins will demand more than that...
I seen that it's like $23.5m per year and $70m guaranteed? If that's true, Cousin's contract is going to be flat out ridiculous. There's no way he's asking for less than $27m per and 70% guaranteed.
Please don't let us be those fools.
We'd be foolish not to go after Kirk in my opinion. How can we afford him though if Bortles doesn't pass his physical?