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With Dez Bryant potentially being available, there you go? I'm kidding because Tom Coughlin wouldn't go the Bad Moon route again. I could see Dallas letting Bryant go and engaging for AR.

(01-29-2018, 11:37 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Great QB's can "create" an elite receiver.

He made Blake Bortles look better than he was at times. He made catches that should have been uncatchable.

(01-29-2018, 11:31 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 11:25 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]The offense missed Robinson the entire year.  To say we did just fine without him is pretty shortsighted.

I agree that we missed a true #1 WR this season.

I am a little worried that fans are getting a little too comfortable with the success we had and think it is going to repeat pretty easily.

Which is why we need to sign our proven #1 WR. The Jags can not walk into next season with Cole or Westbrook as the #1.

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(01-29-2018, 11:34 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 11:25 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]The offense missed Robinson the entire year.  To say we did just fine without him is pretty shortsighted.

You are entitled to your opinion and me mine. And it is not short sighted, it is looking at the big picture. We need to keep our defense intact as much as possible, our offense will always be junk as long as Bortles is the QB. Hell our running back doesn't even understand to put his hands out to catch a ball. I could care less about A-Rob. All those teams with super star receivers are doing what this next Sunday? That's right, watching the game on T.V. The Patriots prove year after year that you need functional receivers that are able to hold on to the ball. Save the money, get some line help on the offense and solidify our defense.

This is the most short sighted post in a while. I wonder why the Pats have proven success without true #1 WRs..... 

There are only 2 teams playing this Sunday but lets not overlook the fact that the Eagles signed Alshon Jeffery and the Pats traded for Cooks. The weekend before showcased Diggs and Thielan. Julio Jones and Antonio Brown. ARob is not AB or Julio and no one ever claimed he was. But he is a very good WR who commands double teams and will greatly improve the passing offense.

The Jags are also watching the game this Sunday from their couch. Maybe they could have used ARob against the Pats.

(01-29-2018, 11:37 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Great QB's can "create" an elite receiver.

Great QBs are harder to find than great receivers.

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Of course, Robinson will want a lot guaranteed, but I wonder if we can give him an incentive first year. Which, when met, guarantees a lot in the second year and beyond. Start with a decent base (around $8mil) with incentives up to $15mil.

He may not think he can meet his incentives with Bortles. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t want to be here at all.

If there was a player we missed it was ARob, he creates the perfect mismatch for us and draws double teams.
Marrone praised him all offseason and beyond for how hard he worked and how great he was performing, I'm confident we'll have him back this season.

Keep him, hopefully get a QB that can make all the throws, upgrade the OL and depth, possibly a TE from the draft, 2nd year improvement from Cole and Westbrook and this offense looks really good.

Letting ARob would be a big mistake in my opinion and I'm positive the FO will manage to keep him.

I'm all for signing AR to a fair deal.

I think he's the right compliment to the young guys we have in place.

(01-29-2018, 11:37 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Great QB's can "create" an elite receiver.

And what great receiver did Cousins create last year?

(01-29-2018, 12:08 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 11:37 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Great QB's can "create" an elite receiver.

Great QBs are harder to find than great receivers.

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Of course, Robinson will want a lot guaranteed, but I wonder if we can give him an incentive first year. Which, when met, guarantees a lot in the second year and beyond. Start with a decent base (around $8mil) with incentives up to $15mil.

He may not think he can meet his incentives with Bortles. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t want to be here at all.

That does not diminish the fact that we need to find, at least a good QB. We've been getting by with a pedestrian one and we still made it to the AFCCG.

(01-29-2018, 12:19 PM)UTheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 12:08 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Great QBs are harder to find than great receivers.

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Of course, Robinson will want a lot guaranteed, but I wonder if we can give him an incentive first year. Which, when met, guarantees a lot in the second year and beyond. Start with a decent base (around $8mil) with incentives up to $15mil.

He may not think he can meet his incentives with Bortles. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t want to be here at all.

That does not diminish the fact that we need to find, at least a good QB. We've been getting by with a pedestrian one.

I’m fine with still looking at QB in the draft. I’m fine with signing someone at QB if they’re better than Bortles. I just don’t think anyone fits that criteria this year... except Cousins who I don’t think we’ll sign. Bortles wasn’t great but he certainly wasn’t pedestrian. 

We assign a lot of blame against Bortles when he fails, but we ignore when QBs like Smith do the same. Since I don’t think anyone better than a bortles is available, we should instead spend the money on helping him be better.

(01-29-2018, 11:41 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]With Dez Bryant potentially being available, there you go?   I'm kidding because Tom Coughlin wouldn't go the Bad Moon route again.  I could see Dallas letting Bryant go and engaging for AR.

No thank you. Dez is a headcase and dropped a ton of catchable balls this season. I could see Dallas looking at Robinson, but I still think they draft a WR early.

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(01-29-2018, 12:23 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 12:19 PM)UTheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That does not diminish the fact that we need to find, at least a good QB. We've been getting by with a pedestrian one.

I’m fine with still looking at QB in the draft. I’m fine with signing someone at QB if they’re better than Bortles. I just don’t think anyone fits that criteria this year... except Cousins who I don’t think we’ll sign.  Bortles wasn’t great but he certainly wasn’t pedestrian. 

We assign a lot of blame against Bortles when he fails, but we ignore when QBs like Smith do the same. Since I don’t think anyone better than a bortles is available, we should instead spend the money on helping him be better.

Just to play devil's advocate, what if Bortles has peaked and this is as good as it gets for him? Then what?

(01-29-2018, 11:23 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 10:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Yep. I'm not gonna get myself tied to a player I'm not confident in. I will address the need for a big WR in the draft, but I wanna keep our defense together as long as possible and to do that, we have to be smart with our free agent spending from here on out.

ACLs are not the career impacting injuries they used to be. If anything, that knee will come back stronger than before the injury.  

I’d be inclined to franchise him.  The tag would give the team time to work out a long term deal before the season starts.

^ This. I agree with FBT. Franchise tag for AROB sounds like a good/logical way to go. 

Yeah, the Jags made the championship game without him. But, having AROB probably would've made a big difference in the offensive output in quite many games this season. 

It might've made the difference in playoff seeding if he was there (Jags may have gotten a 1 or 2 seed of AROB is in the lineup and helps turn a few of those losses into victories).

Tag him. Add him to this championship roster and let's see what happens.

I'm a huge ARob fan but 16 million for a WR who's done it for 1 season is ridiculous. Especially when you compare the one year cap number to other players. That would put him in the same company as Julio Jones and Antonio Brown. The transition tag may be the better way to go for both sides. That'll put his number right around 13 million and will allow him to negotiate his value with other teams around the league. We still get right of first refusal and the ability to match whatever he's offered.

A Rob is far and away our best receiver. I don't know how anybody can be okay with just letting him walk.

(01-29-2018, 11:37 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Great QB's can "create" an elite receiver.

How many "great" QBs are there?

There's like 3 and they don't come around often.

(01-29-2018, 04:15 PM)badger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 11:37 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Great QB's can "create" an elite receiver.

How many "great" QBs are there?

There's like 3 and they don't come around often.

And they were all drafted by their teams with the exception of Drew Brees.

(01-29-2018, 10:30 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 09:45 AM)Jaxson Wrote: [ -> ]Allen Robinson: 'Main focus' is recovery, not contract

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...t-contract
   

With Allen Robinson's contract expiring when the new league year begins this March, what will the Jacksonville Jaguars be willing to offer the wideout who's coming off a serious knee injury.

I'd only offer a modest, 1 year prove it deal. Shew he's at least better than how he performed in 2016. I wouldn't expect him to return to his 2015 form so soon after the injury, but he'd at least have to be better than 2016 ARob. We don't need that.

If he chooses a 1 year prove it deal it definitely won't be In Jacksonville with this offense. He would go to a pass happy team.

Jags will get a deal done no doubt.

I love ARob, if we.can get our offence on track, you can afford to.start letting the big money guys gp on.defense and find a happy medium between offense and defense.

(01-29-2018, 11:31 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2018, 11:25 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]The offense missed Robinson the entire year.  To say we did just fine without him is pretty shortsighted.

I agree that we missed a true #1 WR this season.

I am a little worried that fans are getting a little too comfortable with the success we had and think it is going to repeat pretty easily.

It won’t be easy to replicate that, but with a #1 receiver on the field, an upgrade at TE, and OL help, it won’t be a huge reach.

Rather pay our guy than break the bank for cousins