(02-26-2018, 12:21 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2018, 10:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If we kept him for 2 years he would make 15.5 mil per year
How do you figure? From the estimates I've seen, he'll make a combined $36 million barring incentives for 2018 and 2019.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/cap/
Average of 15.5 towards the cap
(02-25-2018, 10:02 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Chhhhhaaaammmmpppppiiiooonnnshhiiippppl
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No rookie will beat him out. Too much to learn in to little time.
And actual cap is actually 30 mill
That's great if the coaching staff doesn't still tip toe around Blake when calling plays. Let him sink or swim. Trust in his abilities.
Smart move for the team. Very cap friendly with "prove it again" incentives and it allows us to move on from him within the next three years in the event he fails to do so. And this is during a year with us having a low draft pick in a suspect QB class. And also during a year where Cousins is fixing to break someone's salary cap and more than likely be the same guy he was in WAS with little to no pay-offs in the play-offs if he's even capable of leading a team to that level.
Trust the process. Trust the front office. Trust the coaching staff. We were one poorly officiated game and probably an Allen Robinson away from making the Superbowl just a month ago. Nobody saw that coming. And if you say you did you're full of [BLEEP].
I always liked the idea of a deal like this with Blake, but I never thought he would sign it if he had the confidence that he would develop into a top QB.
After reading his comments, it looks like a powerfully unselfish move on his part.
Really I'm just happy my Bortles jersey is safe for a couple more years
This team has to get Blake some weapons.
He had no real threat at tight end, Hurns who stinks now, and a few rookies. Lets get A rob back and get blake some better weapons.
(02-26-2018, 01:48 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This team has to get Blake some weapons.
He had no real threat at tight end, Hurns who stinks now, and a few rookies. Lets get A rob back and get blake some better weapons.
ARob
Burton
Sitton
Draft
1st- Will Hernandez
2nd- Gisecki
3rd- Marcell Ateman
Now you got yourself some weapons with an improved Oline.
(02-26-2018, 01:48 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This team has to get Blake some weapons.
He had no real threat at tight end, Hurns who stinks now, and a few rookies. Lets get A rob back and get blake some better weapons.
Hurns doesn't stink, he was hurt all year and missed half the season due to injuries. He finally started to look healthy in the playoffs and led the team in receiving in our last game. Health is the only question with him, but a big one
(02-26-2018, 07:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2018, 12:21 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]How do you figure? From the estimates I've seen, he'll make a combined $36 million barring incentives for 2018 and 2019.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/cap/
Average of 15.5 towards the cap
Nah, it's still $18 mil. You're overlooking the $5 mil dead money that would be in the books for 2020 if cut after two years.
His cap hit structure is interesting... $10 mil this year... but then $21 mil in 2019 and $23 mil in 2020. That's without earning a possible $4.125 mil more in any year with the incentives.
I have a couple questions that I'm not necessarily expecting an answer to, but I might as well ask...
- How does he reach his incentives? Is it like, make the SB and you get the entire $4.125 mil, or is it split up for differing things?
- His $26.5 mil guaranteed is interesting. The signing bonus was $15 mil which counts $5 mil each year. The other $11.5 mil is his entire $5 mil base salary for 2018 and then $6.5 mil of his 2019 salary. This means if he's cut after 2018, he'll count $16.5 mil as dead money in 2019 ($10 SB amortization plus the $6.5 mil guaranteed salary). However, there's a note that says the guaranteed portion of his 2019 salary "contains offsets." What do you think that means?
It's going to be tough to keep Blake on the roster in 2020, so ideally he's starting 2018 and 2019 and then our developing draft pick will take over for 2020. I have my eyes on Litton out of Marshall (he'd be our 2nd qb from the school) and Folk out of WA State, and I expect one of them to still be there near the end of round three. At any rate, Blake has a $23 mil plus incentives cap hit that will drop to a $5 mil dead money hit if released after 2019... an $18 mil savings for 2020.
(02-26-2018, 04:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2018, 07:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/cap/
Average of 15.5 towards the cap
Nah, it's still $18 mil. You're overlooking the $5 mil dead money that would be in the books for 2020 if cut after two years.
His cap hit structure is interesting... $10 mil this year... but then $21 mil in 2019 and $23 mil in 2020. That's without earning a possible $4.125 mil more in any year with the incentives.
I have a couple questions that I'm not necessarily expecting an answer to, but I might as well ask...
- How does he reach his incentives? Is it like, make the SB and you get the entire $4.125 mil, or is it split up for differing things?
- His $26.5 mil guaranteed is interesting. The signing bonus was $15 mil which counts $5 mil each year. The other $11.5 mil is his entire $5 mil base salary for 2018 and then $6.5 mil of his 2019 salary. This means if he's cut after 2018, he'll count $16.5 mil as dead money in 2019 ($10 SB amortization plus the $6.5 mil guaranteed salary). However, there's a note that says the guaranteed portion of his 2019 salary "contains offsets." What do you think that means?
It's going to be tough to keep Blake on the roster in 2020, so ideally he's starting 2018 and 2019 and then our developing draft pick will take over for 2020. I have my eyes on Litton out of Marshall (he'd be our 2nd qb from the school) and Folk out of WA State, and I expect one of them to still be there near the end of round three. At any rate, Blake has a $23 mil plus incentives cap hit that will drop to a $5 mil dead money hit if released after 2019... an $18 mil savings for 2020.
Regarding your second question about the 'offset', it means if he were cut in 2019 and a new team were to sign him, then there would be a reduction in the dead cap hit at a max of 6.5 million
Hopefully they signed good blake. If they signed 'blake' blake, this franchise is doomed.
(02-26-2018, 05:17 PM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2018, 04:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, it's still $18 mil. You're overlooking the $5 mil dead money that would be in the books for 2020 if cut after two years.
His cap hit structure is interesting... $10 mil this year... but then $21 mil in 2019 and $23 mil in 2020. That's without earning a possible $4.125 mil more in any year with the incentives.
I have a couple questions that I'm not necessarily expecting an answer to, but I might as well ask...
- How does he reach his incentives? Is it like, make the SB and you get the entire $4.125 mil, or is it split up for differing things?
- His $26.5 mil guaranteed is interesting. The signing bonus was $15 mil which counts $5 mil each year. The other $11.5 mil is his entire $5 mil base salary for 2018 and then $6.5 mil of his 2019 salary. This means if he's cut after 2018, he'll count $16.5 mil as dead money in 2019 ($10 SB amortization plus the $6.5 mil guaranteed salary). However, there's a note that says the guaranteed portion of his 2019 salary "contains offsets." What do you think that means?
It's going to be tough to keep Blake on the roster in 2020, so ideally he's starting 2018 and 2019 and then our developing draft pick will take over for 2020. I have my eyes on Litton out of Marshall (he'd be our 2nd qb from the school) and Folk out of WA State, and I expect one of them to still be there near the end of round three. At any rate, Blake has a $23 mil plus incentives cap hit that will drop to a $5 mil dead money hit if released after 2019... an $18 mil savings for 2020.
Regarding your second question about the 'offset', it means if he were cut in 2019 and a new team were to sign him, then there would be a reduction in the dead cap hit at a max of 6.5 million
I got you. Any new salary he gets would offset the dead money.
So, for instance, if another team were to pay him $5 mil to be their backup, the Jaguars would only show $11.5 mil dead money for him instead of $16.5 mil.
(02-26-2018, 07:36 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]So, for instance, if another team were to pay him $5 mil to be their backup, the Jaguars would only show $11.5 mil dead money for him instead of $16.5 mil.
It would really just mean his new team signs him for the minimum while we foot the bill.
The Jag's did the right thing. As far as I know, they can terminate him anytime. Hopefully, he will not be like David Guarrard , who never repeated his best year, and never played at a high level after getting the money.
(02-26-2018, 10:08 PM)joe8931 Wrote: [ -> ]The Jag's did the right thing. As far as I know, they can terminate him anytime. Hopefully, he will not be like David Guarrard , who never repeated his best year, and never played at a high level after getting the money.
Back injuries impacted his ability to play.
thanks for the Eisen link. Some of his takes were tongue and cheek but he is spot on about over paying the position. That is crazy money on the list and I'm surprised that he took this contract. I hope the plank take is right on.