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I read that, and I disagree that drafting a guard like Hernandez with our first round pick would be "out of the box." Drafting Hernandez would be right in the middle of the box.

(04-12-2018, 10:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I read that, and I disagree that drafting a guard  like Hernandez with our first round pick would be "out of the box."  Drafting Hernandez would be right in the middle of the box.

Agreed completely.

The only thing remotely out of the box about that selection is if he is at 29 in the first place.

There's an argument from some of the local talking heads that "you don't draft a guard in the first round."

It's antiquated and particularly does not apply to the Jags situation given their intent to run the ball 30 times a game.

Taking a stud guard at #29 is NOT an "outside the box" scenario in today's NFL - especially for a team with a top tier defense in place and a scheme that involves 30 plus touches for their RBs every week.

Today's or yesterday's NFL, a guard at 29 isn't unreasonable at all if you believe he's worth that pick.

"Being worth that pick" would entail being an immediate starter, and a high quality player. Pro Bowl or Pro Bowl caliber is likely.

I'm completely on board if they are targeting the guy who can be that.

And to comment on what they feel as "outside the box"... at pick 29 there should be no position outside punter or kicker that would be outside the box. It's a completely different conversation when you're in the top 10.

At 29, nearly everything's on the table.

(04-12-2018, 10:33 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Today's or yesterday's NFL, a guard at 29 isn't unreasonable at all if you believe he's worth that pick.
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O'Halloran sort of squirming out of that take now on the air with the 1010XL guys. 

Said "Hernandez may be a home run pick at #29 if he's somehow still there."

(04-12-2018, 10:55 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Trading up to take DJ Moore is totally a Gene Smith move.

Heck, I wouldn't be happy with staying pat at 29 and taking Moore.

(04-12-2018, 10:58 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2018, 10:55 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Trading up to take DJ Moore is totally a Gene Smith move.

Heck, I wouldn't be happy with staying pat at 29 and  taking Moore.

ditto

(04-12-2018, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There's an argument from some of the local talking heads that "you don't draft a guard in the first round."

It's antiquated and particularly does not apply to the Jags situation given their intent to run the ball 30 times a game.

Taking a stud guard at #29 is NOT an "outside the box" scenario in today's NFL - especially for a team with a top tier defense in place and a scheme that involves 30 plus touches for their RBs every week.

I kind of understand the rationale.

It's kind of how people feel about RBs-you can typically find them later.

But to suggest you shouldn't take a guy like Nelson, or Steve Hutchinson in the first round just because they are guards is folly.

You could always use a dominant OL.

(04-12-2018, 10:33 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Today's or yesterday's NFL, a guard at 29 isn't unreasonable at all if you believe he's worth that pick.

"Being worth that pick" would entail being an immediate starter, and a high quality player.  Pro Bowl or Pro Bowl caliber is likely.

I'm completely on board if they are targeting the guy who can be that.

And to comment on what they feel as "outside the box"... at pick 29 there should be no position outside punter or kicker that would be outside the box.  It's a completely different conversation when you're in the top 10.

At 29, nearly everything's on the table.

We are in complete agreement here.

There is an argument to be made for virtually every position at 29.  Short versions of the arguments:

QB-Need a guy to push/supplant Bortles
RB-Need a guy to spell Fournette
WR-Need a true #1
TE-Need a true receiving threat that can create mismatches
OL-Need to upgrade RG and get younger at RT
DL-Need to prepare for potential FA/Salary cap departures
LB-Need an athletic guy to replace Poz inside or Jack outside
CB-Need an upgrade over Hayden
S-Need to get younger at SS or cheaper/more athletic at FS

(04-12-2018, 10:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I read that, and I disagree that drafting a guard  like Hernandez with our first round pick would be "out of the box."  Drafting Hernandez would be right in the middle of the box.

(04-12-2018, 11:01 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2018, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There's an argument from some of the local talking heads that "you don't draft a guard in the first round."

It's antiquated and particularly does not apply to the Jags situation given their intent to run the ball 30 times a game.

Taking a stud guard at #29 is NOT an "outside the box" scenario in today's NFL - especially for a team with a top tier defense in place and a scheme that involves 30 plus touches for their RBs every week.

I kind of understand the rationale.

It's kind of how people feel about RBs-you can typically find them later.

But to suggest you shouldn't take a guy like Nelson, or Steve Hutchinson in the first round just because they are guards is folly.

You could always use a dominant OL.

O'Halloran - on air at 1010XL when challenged directly on that pick - hemmed and hawed profusely. Didn't say anything convincing even when Dempsey tried to give him an out.

(04-12-2018, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There's an argument from some of the local talking heads that "you don't draft a guard in the first round."

It's antiquated and particularly does not apply to the Jags situation given their intent to run the ball 30 times a game.

Taking a stud guard at #29 is NOT an "outside the box" scenario in today's NFL - especially for a team with a top tier defense in place and a scheme that involves 30 plus touches for their RBs every week.

Speaking of antiquated evaluations, Hernandez isn't the perfect prospect if you subscribe to the 'book of how it used to be' theory. He's a tad bit short and has shorter arms that what is deemed "ideal". I'm holding out hope a handful of GM's hold fast to the "not ideal" evaluation and he falls into our laps.

I don't know where Billy Price is being projected to come off, but that wouldn't be a bad pick either.

C, G, or T are all in play, IMO.

(04-12-2018, 11:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2018, 10:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I read that, and I disagree that drafting a guard  like Hernandez with our first round pick would be "out of the box."  Drafting Hernandez would be right in the middle of the box.

(04-12-2018, 11:01 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I kind of understand the rationale.

It's kind of how people feel about RBs-you can typically find them later.

But to suggest you shouldn't take a guy like Nelson, or Steve Hutchinson in the first round just because they are guards is folly.

You could always use a dominant OL.

O'Halloran - on air at 1010XL when challenged directly on that pick - hemmed and hawed profusely. Didn't say anything convincing even when Dempsey tried to give him an out.

O'Halloran is a hack.

Also off topic and maybe its just me but it seems that he really doesn't like covering the team either.

Derwin James won't fall that far, so that is a pipedream. If we traded up for a WR, I will be furious! Looking at the list of QB's available for 2019, I don't see anyone I would want, unless they made a meteoric jump in 2019. They were all extremely inconsistent in 2017.

(04-12-2018, 12:01 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2018, 11:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]O'Halloran - on air at 1010XL when challenged directly on that pick - hemmed and hawed profusely. Didn't say anything convincing even when Dempsey tried to give him an out.

O'Halloran is a hack.

Also off topic and maybe its just me but it seems that he really doesn't like covering the team either.

His attitude has changed some since the team started winning, but yes he comes off as pretty miserable. 

I think that's 50% just his personality in general and 50% job dissatisfaction.

(04-12-2018, 12:14 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Derwin James won't fall that far, so that is a pipedream. If we traded up for a WR, I will be furious! Looking at the list of QB's available for 2019, I don't see anyone I would want, unless they made a meteoric jump in 2019. They were all extremely inconsistent in 2017.

I like Herbert quite a bit, otherwise I agree 2019 needs a lot of guys to pop up to become an even average class.

To be fair to the author of this article, they say a guard in round one would be a “semi surprise”.

I don’t think they are arguing we shouldn’t pick a guard that early.

And if others have, they might want to check where another guard, Quentin Nelson, is being mocked...

(04-12-2018, 01:11 PM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair to the author of this article, they say a guard in round one would be a “semi surprise”.

I don’t think they are arguing we shouldn’t pick a guard that early.

And if others have, they might want to check where another guard, Quentin Nelson, is being mocked...

You are correct. Maybe he should have just gone with four "out the box" picks for his article. 

Also:  The correct phrase he was looking for is "outside the box."  Not "out of the box" which is more commonly used to describe a new product just removed from it's packaging in the modern vernacular. 

OK  -  my Ryan O' nit-picking is officially over for today.