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Remember this list is voted on by the NFL players. Their judgment, then again I didn't have to try to tackle that monster either.

I understand why. People looked at him as our only option on offense, and he still delivered for the most part. Hope he has a injury free campaign next year.

He should of been higher

When Fournette was healthy he was an absolute beast. Once his ankle loosened up, he really was never the same. Early on in the year we saw him use the spin move almost every play and welcome contact. As the season progressed the spin move disappeared and he had no desire to move laterally at all. He also became less welcoming of contact. I really hope his ankle issues are behind him, but ankles are such a pain. We all hope the rest was enough to tighten up the ligaments, but I for sure have my doubts considering the extensive history. This is why I was hoping the Jags would find a legit #2 behind him, but looks like they are counting on him to be healthy for 300+ carries. If healthy, without doubt he leads the league in rushing and TDs.

(05-23-2018, 06:39 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]When Fournette was healthy he was an absolute beast.

Like early in the season when he started off with 100 yards on 26 carries, 40 yards on 14 carries, 59 yards on 17 carries, or 86 yards on 24 carries? The highest of which of those was a measly 3.85 YPC. The best you can say about early "healthy" Fournette is that he wore down the defenses for late in the game, but he was an active liability until he got his 20+ carries. That's a dangerous game to play, as we saw in many of the games where opposing defenses didn't get worn out and then we were praying for the defense to save us.

Has it really been so long since the Jags had MJD (much less Taylor) that we have already forgotten what a true beast RB looks like?

(05-24-2018, 08:53 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-23-2018, 06:39 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]When Fournette was healthy he was an absolute beast.

Like early in the season when he started off with 100 yards on 26 carries, 40 yards on 14 carries, 59 yards on 17 carries, or 86 yards on 24 carries? The highest of which of those was a measly 3.85 YPC. The best you can say about early "healthy" Fournette is that he wore down the defenses for late in the game, but he was an active liability until he got his 20+ carries. That's a dangerous game to play, as we saw in many of the games where opposing defenses didn't get worn out and then we were praying for the defense to save us.

Has it really been so long since the Jags had MJD (much less Taylor) that we have already forgotten what a true beast RB looks like?

I think people see his hard-nosed style of play and general intensity and end up misinterpreting his actual performance. 

I agree that he was lackluster in far too many games, injury or not. 
Of course - I think the run blocking figured in more than you do, and I think we agree play calling didn't help at times either. 

I only saw small flashes of "absolute beast."  He doesn't have the vision of either Fred or MJD. He can't "get small" and squirt through a hole like MJD did and he has virtually zero of Fred's lateral agility and improvisational ability. 

 - He's really fast when he gets a stride or two going
 - He can run straight through an off balance or unwilling defender
 - He's good at scraping out the extra yard or two to finish runs strong 
 - He's willing to go for broke at the goal line.  
 - He looks pretty good catching the ball too, but what the hell happened in that NE game??  Just completely gave up on making that catch. Still leaves a bad taste. 

He needs better interior blocking to be an "absolute beast"  IMO -  and a strategy other than "I dare you to stop 27" from the coaches sure would help him a lot too.

(05-24-2018, 09:12 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 08:53 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Like early in the season when he started off with 100 yards on 26 carries, 40 yards on 14 carries, 59 yards on 17 carries, or 86 yards on 24 carries? The highest of which of those was a measly 3.85 YPC. The best you can say about early "healthy" Fournette is that he wore down the defenses for late in the game, but he was an active liability until he got his 20+ carries. That's a dangerous game to play, as we saw in many of the games where opposing defenses didn't get worn out and then we were praying for the defense to save us.

Has it really been so long since the Jags had MJD (much less Taylor) that we have already forgotten what a true beast RB looks like?

I think people see his hard-nosed style of play and general intensity and end up misinterpreting his actual performance. 

It's just selective memory IMO. A whole lot of OMG HE WAVED AT MITCHELL TO COME HIT HIM!!! and a whole lot of not remembering that he was on his way to a 5th straight terribly inefficient game to start his career that we were losing in the 3rd quarter before back to back defensive TDs (and another couple INTs on top of that) saved us.

(05-21-2018, 10:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I like Fournette, I really do, but the fact that he is rated so far ahead of Ngakoue and Telvin Smith is a joke. Personally, I would switch Fournette to Ngakoue's spot, move Ngakoue to Telvin's spot and move Telvin to Fournette's spot.

I have to agree with this. Love Fournette, but no way he's higher ranked than Telvin and Yannick. :\ These player voting things are weird sometimes. But we aren't on the field, so maybe they're right?......

(05-22-2018, 12:03 PM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-21-2018, 10:59 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I definitely don't see any other Offensive players making the list. Bortles would be the one that comes to mind, but I think we all know that's not going to happen. He isn't a top 50 player in the league right now.

Cole definitely didn't do enough to get on the list and I don't know who else you'd put on there from the Offensive side of the ball.

I read rumors that we had 6 players on the top 100 list this year? 3 of them are off the board in Ngakoue, Telvin and Fournette. You'd have to assume that the other 3 have got to be Bouye, Campbell and Ramsey. I don't see how these 3 can't be on this list. You could add Malik Jackson to that list as well. I don't know how he can't be on the list considering he's one of the top 3 Techs in the league.

I would think Norwell has to make the list, he's arguably one of the top 2 guards in the league.  While he wasn't a Jag last year, he is now and would count towards our total number on the list.

Norwell wont br making it. They already said zach Martin was the highest ranked guard on the list.

(05-22-2018, 03:37 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]This list must have nothing to do with the player's most recent season... Fournette only played every other game. He was good but there were much better contributors.

Hyperbole at its finest.

I believe Fournette missed 3 games, 2 for injury 1 for discipline.

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Also remember this about the "top 100" it is just another flawed voting system...
From an older article about the voting process:

And when we pointed that out on Friday, Eagles linebacker Connor Barwin said via Twitter, “[E]veryone knows no players actually vote for who’s on that list right?”
Our buddy Pat McAfee, who punts for the Colts, chimed in that he “[l]ove[s] this tweet.”
So we asked NFL Network to explain the process, and to confirm that players indeed cast ballots for the list

Ideally, all players would do it. This year, the league says only 481 of them actually did. That’s 28.3 percent of all active players.
“All players are given the opportunity to vote through ballots we send to all 32 teams around Thanksgiving,” NFL Network spokesman Alex Riethmiller told PFT via email. “For convenience sake, we try to time it with Pro Bowl balloting, so they can do them together. In addition to ballots collected that way, we also give ballots to many of the players that we interview for our shows. This year, in total, we received 481 votes.”

To vote, each player lists only his top 20 players in the league. The player listed at No. 1 gets 20 points, the player listed at No. 2 gets 19 points, and the process continues until the player listed at No. 20 gets one point.

These stats (from @mitchellrenz365) put Fournette’s achievement last season in some context. I think my opinion of him is even higher when you look at this.

How many of the others on this list (and off it) would have had the seasons they did with this sort of opposition?



9 NFL RBs rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2017

The % of att/w 8+ defenders in the box:
Leonard Fournette - 49%
Jordan Howard - 43%
Mark Ingram - 42%
LeSean McCoy - 36%
Melvin Gordon - 29%
Kareem Hunt - 24%
CJ Anderson - 22%
Le'Veon Bell - 20%
Todd Gurley - 17%

(05-24-2018, 05:01 PM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]These stats (from @mitchellrenz365) put Fournette’s achievement last season in some context. I think my opinion of him is even higher when you look at this.

How many of the others on this list (and off it) would have had the seasons they did with this sort of opposition?



9 NFL RBs rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2017

The % of att/w 8+ defenders in the box:
Leonard Fournette - 49%
Jordan Howard - 43%
Mark Ingram - 42%
LeSean McCoy - 36%
Melvin Gordon - 29%
Kareem Hunt - 24%
CJ Anderson - 22%
Le'Veon Bell - 20%
Todd Gurley - 17%

I've tried explaining this to those who harp on his stats. Great find.

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Mitchell Renz‏ @MitchellRenz365




In 2017 there were only 2 #NFL RBs to rush for over 1,000 yards and not fumble:
Melvin Gordon (@Melvingordon25) 284 car, 1,105 yds, 8 TDs
Leonard Fournette (@_fournette) 268 car, 1,040 yds, 9 TDs

(05-24-2018, 08:53 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-23-2018, 06:39 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]When Fournette was healthy he was an absolute beast.

Like early in the season when he started off with 100 yards on 26 carries, 40 yards on 14 carries, 59 yards on 17 carries, or 86 yards on 24 carries? The highest of which of those was a measly 3.85 YPC. The best you can say about early "healthy" Fournette is that he wore down the defenses for late in the game, but he was an active liability until he got his 20+ carries. That's a dangerous game to play, as we saw in many of the games where opposing defenses didn't get worn out and then we were praying for the defense to save us.

Has it really been so long since the Jags had MJD (much less Taylor) that we have already forgotten what a true beast RB looks like?

Even during those games he was playing very well. Usually getting hit in the backfield. Using the eye test I felt like he was playing beast. He was clearly the best player on the offense, and zero'd in by opposing defenses. Gurley had gone through similar years. Do you write off Gurley because he had a 3.2 ypc year before his MVP like season last year? Absolutely not. Fournette needs help. The line wasn't helping, coordinators had no faith in Bortles, and they had rookie WRs out there. Defenses knew it began and ended with 4nette. Then once he got hurt he was a completely different player. When healthy IMO I have seen enough to know he is a beast of a player and a handful.

The kid has only scraped his potential.

(05-24-2018, 05:01 PM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]These stats (from @mitchellrenz365) put Fournette’s achievement last season in some context. I think my opinion of him is even higher when you look at this.

How many of the others on this list (and off it) would have had the seasons they did with this sort of opposition?



9 NFL RBs rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2017

The % of att/w 8+ defenders in the box:
Leonard Fournette - 49%
Jordan Howard - 43%
Mark Ingram - 42%
LeSean McCoy - 36%
Melvin Gordon - 29%
Kareem Hunt - 24%
CJ Anderson - 22%
Le'Veon Bell - 20%
Todd Gurley - 17%

Preach!

Tom and Marrone did not trust Bortles and they forced running the ball. Fournette was a mountain of a man for what he faced.  It's funny how people forget how often he was hit behind the line of scrimmage.  Lets also not forget him moving piles of players for extra yardage in key situations.

Just watch how he just runs though a big man with power for a td here

4-Net should be 5-Net with better blocking this year. He averaged 3.9 ypc this past season. He played hard, but I would not have put him in the top 100 as yet.

Decent for a rookie season when he had time out through injury too..

It's funny that how fournette get all the credit for the offense as if Blake Bortles didn't score 23 touchdowns his self ( 21 passing and 2 rushing tds). I guess just like the Pro Bowl ballot perception dominates everything but I am glad we do have Leonard fournette as our running back. I hope big things are ahead for both of them in the future because it would be great for this city to win a championship.

(05-24-2018, 05:01 PM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]These stats (from @mitchellrenz365) put Fournette’s achievement last season in some context. I think my opinion of him is even higher when you look at this.

How many of the others on this list (and off it) would have had the seasons they did with this sort of opposition?



9 NFL RBs rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2017

The % of att/w 8+ defenders in the box:
Leonard Fournette - 49%
Jordan Howard - 43%
Mark Ingram - 42%
LeSean McCoy - 36%
Melvin Gordon - 29%
Kareem Hunt - 24%
CJ Anderson - 22%
Le'Veon Bell - 20%
Todd Gurley - 17%

If the Jags can open up the pass game like the Rams did last season we could have an explosive  offense. I'm pretty sure Gurley saw a lot of eight man boxes in the previous season.