(09-11-2018, 05:07 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2018, 04:44 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of people acting on the o line. They were actually fantastic in pass pro.
I think I read 1 sack and 2 pressures.
Pretty darn good.
Yep not bad. Then again we run a screen offense so how much can you take out of it? I look at the running game to grade this O line. It wasn't good. We have the highest paid guard in the league.... didn't look like it.
(09-11-2018, 05:56 AM)IThe_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2018, 05:07 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I think I read 1 sack and 2 pressures.
Pretty darn good.
Yep not bad. Then again we run a screen offense so how much can you take out of it? I look at the running game to grade this O line. It wasn't good. We have the highest paid guard in the league.... didn't look like it.
Screen offense? LOL
Are you just making this stuff up?
Bortles Made 8 deep or intermediate attempts on Sunday and well over half of his completions were not screen passes.
The Jags are a team that utilizes the screen effectively and boasts a roster of backs suited to it. That doesn’t make them a “screen offense” - whatever the hell that is.
(09-12-2018, 01:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2018, 05:56 AM)IThe_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yep not bad. Then again we run a screen offense so how much can you take out of it? I look at the running game to grade this O line. It wasn't good. We have the highest paid guard in the league.... didn't look like it.
Screen offense? LOL
Are you just making this stuff up?
Bortles Made 8 deep or intermediate attempts on Sunday and well over half of his completions were not screen passes.
The Jags are a team that utilizes the screen effectively and boasts a roster of backs suited to it. That doesn’t make them a “screen offense” - whatever the hell that is.
Blake was 4/10 on passes over 10 yards. Alex Smith was the only QB who completed a higher ratio of short:long passes last week. At least he was as of Sunday night, maybe one of the MNF QBs changed that. But truth is we're still as dink and dunk of a team as any. I'm not sure how I would label that exactly, "screen offense" might not be right but the sentiment isn't far off.
And yes I know he had a couple of drops on those 10+ yard passes, but he also should have had a 2nd INT on them too so it evens out.
(09-12-2018, 03:19 PM)Thanks Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2018, 01:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Screen offense? LOL
Are you just making this stuff up?
Bortles Made 8 deep or intermediate attempts on Sunday and well over half of his completions were not screen passes.
The Jags are a team that utilizes the screen effectively and boasts a roster of backs suited to it. That doesn’t make them a “screen offense” - whatever the hell that is.
Blake was 4/10 on passes over 10 yards. Alex Smith was the only QB who completed a higher ratio of short:long passes last week. At least he was as of Sunday night, maybe one of the MNF QBs changed that. But truth is we're still as dink and dunk of a team as any. I'm not sure how I would label that exactly, "screen offense" might not be right but the sentiment isn't far off.
And yes I know he had a couple of drops on those 10+ yard passes, but he also should have had a 2nd INT on them too so it evens out.
You just said he made 10 attempts of ten or more yards and tried to call it something akin to a screen offense in the same breath. That’s pretty contradictory.
If Blake hits on two or three of those deep incompletions, this lazy narrative goes away. I wish he could do that more often.
This offensive staff is doing what it can with a QB that isn’t accurate enough to sit back and sling it all over the field week in and week out. Labeling it some imaginary term just feels like fans having sour grapes about the limitations of the offensive roster IMO.
Seriously - if you’re Nate Hackett and you saw Blake’s placement on those downfield sideline passes Sunday, are you going to just keep dialing that stuff up more than 20-30% of the pass attempt? I think not.
You let him identify single coverage and take a conservative number of shots in those situations, but it’s not going to be a high percentage play for Blake most weeks.
That completion stat you mention means nothing for the topic. Attempts define the nature of the offense if we’re mislabeling it. Not completions.
(09-12-2018, 04:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You just said he made 10 attempts of ten or more yards and tried to call it something akin to a screen offense in the same breath. That’s pretty contradictory.
It's all relative. 10 out of 33 total attempts puts us as one of if not the most conservative teams in the league. Just like it's relative when we call ourselves a run heavy team. We were still only 51% run last year. But that led the league so we're an extremely run heavy team, and no one would quibble with that.
Use whatever phrase you feel is accurate. I use dink and dunk usually, maybe it should just be 'extreme conservative' or something...but we're all essentially saying the same thing and it's pretty accurate.
I’ll make this even easier to get.
Here are the Jags first three drives vs NYG:
Outside run
Downfield pass (30)
Swing pass to RB
Outside run
Outside run
Downfield pass (20)
12 yard out route pass
Inside run
RB Flats pass
Downfield pass (25)
FG
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Screen to Fournette
Sack on pass attempt looking downfield
Interception on downfield attempt (RB in protection)
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Inside run
Inside run
Inside run
Bortles takes off - empty set
Bortles dumps off to Yeldon after looking deep left, right and center
Westbrook flats
Outside run
roll out pass to flats
Inside run
Flats pass to TE
Slant pass to slot receiver
Touchdown pass from empty set
(Penalty negates)
PA pass to TE (15) yds
Dump off to Fournette looking over the middle for Cole/Westbrook but pressured
So, that’s the first 27 plays minus the FG.
There are four plays that are screens or could be considered screens there.
There are nine plays that are either downfield passes or a scramble or sack while looking to throw deep.
How the hell is this a screen offense again?
So basically you're quibbling with the whole "it's not what you said it's how you said it" angle. I'm not defending the guy's literal words, but the context of what he said wasn't inaccurate.
(09-12-2018, 06:49 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]So basically you're quibbling with the whole "it's not what you said it's how you said it" angle. I'm not defending the guy's literal words, but the context of what he said wasn't inaccurate.
No.
Saying it’s a screen offense is inaccurate and stupid.
Saying that the Jags utilize some dink and dunk pass plays more than some teams with better QBs is a completely different statement. It’s not the same thing even if you are trying to pretend that it is.
I hope they run more screens this Sunday BTW. I think the Pats are susceptible.
Game Ball: Myles Jack.
Dud: Donte Moncrief. He was at fault for running the wrong route on the interception. Aside from a couple of catches, I was disappointed. If this continues, I see Aaron Ross 2.0. Vacation.
Moncrief had some great preseason looks and appeared to have Bortles' confidence. It's a new team/system first game on the road against a decent defense I've seen much worse offensive performances from this team within the last 8 years. We should hopefully have it better at home against the Patriots. Their defense is meh.
(09-11-2018, 05:56 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2018, 05:07 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I think I read 1 sack and 2 pressures.
Pretty darn good.
Yep not bad. Then again we run a screen offense so how much can you take out of it? I look at the running game to grade this O line. It wasn't good. We have the highest paid guard in the league.... didn't look like it.
Hyperbole much? Screen offense?
First of all... Screen offense isn't really a thing. It would also imply that we're a pass first team (screen is a pass play)
We're a run first team. And if we run 6-8 screens a game... that's still a very small % of pass plays.
But I get it... Blake throws some bull headed INTs which probably limits the amount of downfield shots Doug and Hack want to call. But let's be fair... when Borts throws deep and those wide outs we have drop em... it puts just as much doubt in the OCs mind. So blame Borts all you want, but take away 3-4 drops and his stat line looks much better.
(09-12-2018, 07:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2018, 06:49 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]So basically you're quibbling with the whole "it's not what you said it's how you said it" angle. I'm not defending the guy's literal words, but the context of what he said wasn't inaccurate.
No.
Saying it’s a screen offense is inaccurate and stupid.
Saying that the Jags utilize some dink and dunk pass plays more than some teams with better QBs is a completely different statement. It’s not the same thing even if you are trying to pretend that it is.
I hope they run more screens this Sunday BTW. I think the Pats are susceptible.
If LF can't go... I expect more screens than they threw this past Sunday, which I guess will upset some folks.
But I hope LF is good...I still think the best way to beat em is power run game that keeps Tahm Turrifik on the sideline as much as possible.
(09-11-2018, 05:56 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2018, 05:07 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I think I read 1 sack and 2 pressures.
Pretty darn good.
Yep not bad. Then again we run a screen offense so how much can you take out of it? I look at the running game to grade this O line. It wasn't good. We have the highest paid guard in the league.... didn't look like it.
Anybody still trying to cling to this dumb [BLEEP] narrative?
(09-17-2018, 07:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2018, 05:56 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yep not bad. Then again we run a screen offense so how much can you take out of it? I look at the running game to grade this O line. It wasn't good. We have the highest paid guard in the league.... didn't look like it.
Anybody still trying to cling to this dumb [BLEEP] narrative?
Ah, one of those lemme go back and told ya so kinda guys. We will have to see what happens when 4nette returns. They make the offense about 4nette, anytime you center around a RB it's regression for this day and age. It just doesn't really work. It's what this team, Dallas, and NYG is doing. Screens and dumps has been the norm. I loved the gameplan yesterday, which is centered around the QB. Making him comfortable and confident. Someone else in a post in a different thread commented how this team runs more power I, which is to benefit 4nette and make the game about him, rather than shotgun formation for Blake like we saw yesterday. The gameplan from yesterday needs to be used going forward and force 4nette to adjust. The key moving forward is consistency. We saw Blake do this last season for stretches then fall off. IMO it's incredibly important for Hackett to continue to make the gameplan centered around Blake. There was nothing about run game only with some screens and dumps to limit Blake's turnovers.... it was high octane we are coming. CAN that continue with Fournette? That is TBD. I hope so!
(09-17-2018, 08:32 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (09-17-2018, 07:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Anybody still trying to cling to this dumb [BLEEP] narrative?
Ah, one of those lemme go back and told ya so kinda guys. We will have to see what happens when 4nette returns. They make the offense about 4nette, anytime you center around a RB it's regression for this day and age. It just doesn't really work. It's what this team, Dallas, and NYG is doing. Screens and dumps has been the norm. I loved the gameplan yesterday, which is centered around the QB. Making him comfortable and confident. Someone else in a post in a different thread commented how this team runs more power I, which is to benefit 4nette and make the game about him, rather than shotgun formation for Blake like we saw yesterday. The gameplan from yesterday needs to be used going forward and force 4nette to adjust. The key moving forward is consistency. We saw Blake do this last season for stretches then fall off. IMO it's incredibly important for Hackett to continue to make the gameplan centered around Blake. There was nothing about run game only with some screens and dumps to limit Blake's turnovers.... it was high octane we are coming. CAN that continue with Fournette? That is TBD. I hope so!
They game plan according to their opponent and their opponents’ anticipated defensive scheme deployment. It’s not really centering around Blake or Fournette. It’s about taking advantage of a defense’s weakness. Yesterday the pats sold out to stop the run so the weakness became their #2 CB. That meant letting Blake throw outside the hash more. And it worked against that particular secondary. Some weeks it’ll be 8 screen passes mixed in, and that still won’t be their identity.
Yesterday’s approach was also an indication that this staff will learn from their mistakes - and that should make you feel more optimistic about some of your hopes for the offense.
(09-17-2018, 08:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-17-2018, 08:32 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, one of those lemme go back and told ya so kinda guys. We will have to see what happens when 4nette returns. They make the offense about 4nette, anytime you center around a RB it's regression for this day and age. It just doesn't really work. It's what this team, Dallas, and NYG is doing. Screens and dumps has been the norm. I loved the gameplan yesterday, which is centered around the QB. Making him comfortable and confident. Someone else in a post in a different thread commented how this team runs more power I, which is to benefit 4nette and make the game about him, rather than shotgun formation for Blake like we saw yesterday. The gameplan from yesterday needs to be used going forward and force 4nette to adjust. The key moving forward is consistency. We saw Blake do this last season for stretches then fall off. IMO it's incredibly important for Hackett to continue to make the gameplan centered around Blake. There was nothing about run game only with some screens and dumps to limit Blake's turnovers.... it was high octane we are coming. CAN that continue with Fournette? That is TBD. I hope so!
They game plan according to their opponent and their opponents’ anticipated defensive scheme deployment. It’s not really centering around Blake or Fournette. It’s about taking advantage of a defense’s weakness. Yesterday the pats sold out to stop the run so the weakness became their #2 CB. That meant letting Blake throw outside the hash more. And it worked against that particular secondary. Some weeks it’ll be 8 screen passes mixed in, and that still won’t be their identity.
Yesterday’s approach was also an indication that this staff will learn from their mistakes - and that should make you feel more optimistic about some of your hopes for the offense.
WRONG!
SCREEN OFFENSE AND BLAKE SUCKS!
So how about that screen offense? Eh?
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