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The "trade Ramsey" talk is reminiscent of TMD suggesting we trade MJD when he was in his prime (MJD, I mean, although that may have been TMD's prime as well).

(09-14-2018, 06:26 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-14-2018, 05:13 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Ramsey will have his option picked up, but we can only franchise one of Jack/ Ngakoue after next season.  It would be wise to work out one or both extensions this offseason.  

I would imagine Dareus will be open to altering his current deal; if not, I think he will get released unfortunately.  

I am also optimistic about Harrison, he may be ready to take over for Church next year.

If that happens, our #1 priority has to be finding a run stuffing NT. Our run defense was flat out ugly, before he arrived. I don't wanna go back to that.

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(09-14-2018, 06:02 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I guess you thought the future was dark because you weren't paying attention to what they are doing. Bryan is a big end who will slide inside on passing downs, just like...Campbell.

I have to watch the games on an 11 inch computer screen, because I live way out of market. I can barely make out who is in what spot and try to enjoy the game as well. I just remember in the preseason, when I was watching games on NFL Network on the 60 inch, Bryan was lining up on the inside every time I watched him.

I'm guessing it's a laptop with an 11 inch screen. Plug an hdmi from the laptop to the 60 inch. And if your laptop doesnt have hdmi then there is a usb to hdmi adapter you can buy for 10 bucks.

(09-14-2018, 06:26 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-14-2018, 05:13 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Ramsey will have his option picked up, but we can only franchise one of Jack/ Ngakoue after next season.  It would be wise to work out one or both extensions this offseason.  

I would imagine Dareus will be open to altering his current deal; if not, I think he will get released unfortunately.  

I am also optimistic about Harrison, he may be ready to take over for Church next year.

If that happens, our #1 priority has to be finding a run stuffing NT. Our run defense was flat out ugly, before he arrived. I don't wanna go back to that.

Agreed, it is definitely a hole that would need to be filled. I hope they can avoid it. Even if we retain Dareus, I wouldn’t mind a first round NT.

Pannell will be here next year

I'm not sure why everyone always has Malik getting cut. 

Yes, he makes a lot but is it not warranted? He's a damn good player and helped turn around our culture.  It's not like he's 35 and slipping.

(09-15-2018, 04:55 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why everyone always has Malik getting cut. 

Yes, he makes a lot but is it not warranted? He's a damn good player and helped turn around our culture.  It's not like he's 35 and slipping.

Yeah. People are just looking at salaries and speculating without bothering to pay any attention to on-field performance and value. Futzing around on Spotrac while not even knowing where players fit in the Jags scheme isn’t the way to predict next years roster. 

Jackson will be a Jag in 2019, and likely beyond that.

(09-15-2018, 04:55 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why everyone always has Malik getting cut. 

Yes, he makes a lot but is it not warranted? He's a damn good player and helped turn around our culture.  It's not like he's 35 and slipping.

Nobody wants to lose Malik, but if it comes to someone having to be cut he's probably the first easy option that's all. We're significantly over the salary cap for next year, and we already drafted his replacement in the 1st round. We can probably find a way to move money around to keep him as of now, but what if Yannick or Myles decide they don't want to play out the last year of their contract and hold out like Mack or Donald?

(09-15-2018, 05:12 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2018, 04:55 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why everyone always has Malik getting cut. 

Yes, he makes a lot but is it not warranted? He's a damn good player and helped turn around our culture.  It's not like he's 35 and slipping.

Nobody wants to lose Malik, but if it comes to someone having to be cut he's probably the first easy option that's all. We're significantly over the salary cap for next year, and we already drafted his replacement in the 1st round. We can probably find a way to move money around to keep him as of now, but what if Yannick or Myles decide they don't want to play out the last year of their contract and hold out like Mack or Donald?

They seem pretty intent on grooming that 1st rounder to replace Campbell in 2020, not Malik in 2019 IMO.

Same difference. All 3 are pretty interchangeable 3/5 techs.

(09-15-2018, 05:21 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Same difference. All 3 are pretty interchangeable 3/5 techs.

The difference is obvious. 

Age.

(09-15-2018, 05:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2018, 05:21 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Same difference. All 3 are pretty interchangeable 3/5 techs.

The difference is obvious. 

Age.

Sure, but they're both gone in 2020 and I don't think either is that close to the cliff that they won't have two more productive years so it's still mr shruggy face for me.

(09-15-2018, 05:27 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2018, 05:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The difference is obvious. 

Age.

Sure, but they're both gone in 2020 and I don't think either is that close to the cliff that they won't have two more productive years so it's still mr shruggy face for me.

Jackson being gone in 2020 is far from a foregone conclusion at this point.

(09-14-2018, 04:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We've discussed at length that eventually (probably 2019), we're gonna have to start cutting key players on defense in order to stay under the cap. I got to looking on Spot Trac and after doing some figuring, the future may not be as gloomy as I once thought. According to their site, with an adjusted cap we'd be approximately $4-5 million over. With that said, we already invested in replacements for Malik Jackson, Barry Church and Jeremy Parnell in the last draft with the selections of Taven Bryan, Ronnie Harrison and Will Richardson. This season, most of those players are getting some spot playing time, to groom them for possibly starting next year, so they won't come in totally inexperienced. Looking at the savings for those veterans, we'd save $6 million by cutting or trading Parnell, $6.250 million by cutting or trading Church and although he would count $4 million in dead money, we'd save $15 million by cutting or trading Malik Jackson, which would give us a total savings of $11 million on his contract. Add these three contracts together and we have a savings of $19.250 million. Deduct the $5 million that we'd be over the cap and we'd still have over $14 million, with which we could extend the contracts of our young stars. In addition to this, those guys we would lose still have years left on their deals and they are very highly regarded players in the league. They have real trade value. We could trade them to move up in the draft, much like Buffalo did by trading Cordy Glenn to the Bengals last year or just trade them for picks. I also expect us to get a compensatory pick in the 3-4 round range for Dante Fowler as well. The subtractions of Parnell, Church and Jackson would also allow us to keep a key player like Marcell Dareus for another season, until we were able to draft his replacement. I'd expect us to draft a NT very early in 2019 and have him starting by 2020. I also believe we will replace Fowler somewhere in the 1-3 round range, as well as adding a RG. Cann is on the final year of his contract and will demand a higher salary, so selecting an OG is a must. The key is good drafting. If we draft wisely, we can keep fielding an elite team for quite a while. I feel much better and can fully focus on this season. If I am wrong or didn't do the math correctly, break it to me gently. This put me in a very good mood.

Good read.  Made my head hurt.  Like, "A train leaves Chicago going 60 mph......"

(09-15-2018, 05:12 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-15-2018, 04:55 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why everyone always has Malik getting cut. 

Yes, he makes a lot but is it not warranted? He's a damn good player and helped turn around our culture.  It's not like he's 35 and slipping.

Nobody wants to lose Malik, but if it comes to someone having to be cut he's probably the first easy option that's all. We're significantly over the salary cap for next year, and we already drafted his replacement in the 1st round. We can probably find a way to move money around to keep him as of now, but what if Yannick or Myles decide they don't want to play out the last year of their contract and hold out like Mack or Donald?

Well I'd have to disagree with your premise of him being the first easy option. Also, disagree that his replacement has been drafted.

I'm not worried about losing [insert name of pro bowl player].

We can replace him with [insert name of unproven rookie].

(09-16-2018, 09:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not worried about losing [insert name of pro bowl player].  

We can replace him with [insert name of unproven rookie].

A succession plan is necessary., every guy gets old eventually.

Blowing up the roster next year isn't it, as some people seem to believe.

(09-16-2018, 12:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-16-2018, 09:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not worried about losing [insert name of pro bowl player].  

We can replace him with [insert name of unproven rookie].

A succession plan is necessary., every guy gets old eventually.

Blowing up the roster next year isn't it, as some people seem to believe.

I'd hardly call losing 2-3 guys off a roster filled with Pro Bowlers, "blowing up the roster."

(09-16-2018, 04:18 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-16-2018, 12:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]A succession plan is necessary., every guy gets old eventually.

Blowing up the roster next year isn't it, as some people seem to believe.

I'd hardly call losing 2-3 guys off a roster filled with Pro Bowlers, "blowing up the roster."

Bro, the threads around here this week had 7 or 8 different players being cut next year.

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