Quote:All you are saying is you are not a Jaguars fan. The reality is we won our last two games, never trailed in Week 4, and have only been blown out at San Diego. The reality is we stayed in games and barely lost at home twice. The reality is we have shown the ability to beat teams that are not named the Colts and Bears. You are the one who needs a reality check.
You are not qualified to tell anyone what they are, or are not. Don't fool yourself. You've proven time and time and time again you are clueless, so go back to whatever hole you live in and quit trying to tell people if they are a fan or not. Call up a pot, or a kettle, they're more interested in your opinion than anyone here.
As for showing the ability to beat teams other than the Colts and Bears? You really are delusional, aren't you? WE HAVEN'T BEAT A TEAM NOT NAMED THE COLTS OR BEARS. Therefore, by definition, no, we have NOT shown the ability to.
We failed to beat the Packers.
We failed to beat the Ravens.
We failed to even show up against the Chargers.
No, we have NOT shown the ability to beat other teams.
But then... you live in your own fantasy world full of delusions and have ZERO clue what you are talking about, but somehow feel entitled to tell other people that they are or are not fans?
Seriously... Go away. You're an absolute joke. Everyone here laughs at you, and you are somehow oblivious to it.
Newsflash... you don't have to be a delusional optimist to be a fan.
But then... You can't understand the Pot/Kettle reference so why waste time explaining it to you.
Quote:You didn't actually watch the game, did you?
We barely hung on to win. The Colts were driving up and down the field on us in the 4th and damned near pulled it off.
Don't act like we had such a dominant performance that we were sitting our starters and enjoying tea and crumpets on the sidelines...
The Jags came within a play of blowing that MASSIVE 10 point lead...
I hope you're ready to have reality come back... because we aren't playing another team as bad as the Colts/Bears until Week 17.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but let's be honest here.
Were the situations reversed, everyone would be talking about how the Jaguars scored another meaningless garbage time TD.
We DID register six (6) sacks against Indy, you know.
We WERE able to actually run the ball against Indy.
They managed to move the ball in the 4th quarter in part because they changed their approach and went to a no huddle.
We HAVE outplayed them three games in a row, winning two straight against them. Only an inconsistent, rookie kicker in Myers stands between us and three straight over Indy.
There is some basis for indicating we controlled the Indy game and didn't luck out.
Do we qualify as a "good" team yet? Nope.
Will we beat many teams performing as we did against Chicago? Not at all.
But if you are going to chide the team for barely beating Indy, then praise the team for outplaying the Ravens and losing, and but for 16 calls that went against us that shouldn't have outplaying the Packers (though I can understand the team not getting the benefit of the doubt).
Quote:You didn't actually watch the game, did you?
We barely hung on to win. The Colts were driving up and down the field on us in the 4th and damned near pulled it off.
Don't act like we had such a dominant performance that we were sitting our starters and enjoying tea and crumpets on the sidelines...
The Jags came within a play of blowing that MASSIVE 10 point lead...
I hope you're ready to have reality come back... because we aren't playing another team as bad as the Colts/Bears until Week 17.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but let's be honest here.
Were the situations reversed, everyone would be talking about how the Jaguars scored another meaningless garbage time TD.
We DID register six (6) sacks against Indy, you know.
We WERE able to actually run the ball against Indy.
They managed to move the ball in the 4th quarter in part because they changed their approach and went to a no huddle.
We HAVE outplayed them three games in a row, winning two straight against them. Only an inconsistent, rookie kicker in Myers stands between us and three straight over Indy.
There is some basis for indicating we controlled the Indy game and didn't luck out.
Do we qualify as a "good" team yet? Nope.
Will we beat many teams performing as we did against Chicago? Not at all.
But if you are going to chide the team for barely beating Indy, then praise the team for outplaying the Ravens and losing, and but for 16 calls that went against us that shouldn't have outplaying the Packers (though I can understand the team not getting the benefit of the doubt).
Quote:Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but let's be honest here.
Were the situations reversed, everyone would be talking about how the Jaguars scored another meaningless garbage time TD.
We DID register six (6) sacks against Indy, you know.
We WERE able to actually run the ball against Indy.
They managed to move the ball in the 4th quarter in part because they changed their approach and went to a no huddle.
We HAVE outplayed them three games in a row, winning two straight against them. Only an inconsistent, rookie kicker in Myers stands between us and three straight over Indy.
There is some basis for indicating we controlled the Indy game and didn't luck out.
Do we qualify as a "good" team yet? Nope.
Will we beat many teams performing as we did against Chicago? Not at all.
But if you are going to chide the team for barely beating Indy, then praise the team for outplaying the Ravens and losing, and but for 16 calls that went against us that shouldn't have outplaying the Packers (though I can understand the team not getting the benefit of the doubt).
Those 2 statements are my point.
The rest is pretty much "congrats looking competitive against other bad teams".
Quote:Those 2 statements are my point.
The rest is pretty much "congrats looking competitive against other bad teams".
Chicago was probably the worst or 2nd worst game we have played.... and the Jags won.
No one is expecting a win against Oakland but I do expect it to be a battle.
Quote:Chicago was probably the worst or 2nd worst game we have played.... and the Jags won.
No one is expecting a win against Oakland but I do expect it to be a battle.
Check again... a LOT of people on this board are expecting exactly that.
As for the win against Chicago... it goes to show how bad they are right now. Happy to get the W, but I would have expected us to have BURIED them if we were improved as much as we had hoped.
Quote:Check again... a LOT of people on this board are expecting exactly that.
As for the win against Chicago... it goes to show how bad they are right now. Happy to get the W, but I would have expected us to have BURIED them if we were improved as much as we had hoped.
The Patriots expect to win every game.
The Jags fans just HOPE that they will win. I don't think when someone predicts the score to be 31-27 Jags that they are expecting that. They are just hoping for that outcome.
I have a friend in his mid-twenties who's a Pats fan...claimed that the Bengals still have not beaten the Pats in Foxborough during his lifetime. Holy cow, what a claim. Jags aren't even close to that level of Elite!
Quote:The Patriots expect to win every game.
The Jags fans just HOPE that they will win. I don't think when someone predicts the score to be 31-27 Jags that they are expecting that. They are just hoping for that outcome.
Considering the responses I've been getting today by claiming the Jags are going to lose... unfortunately, a lot of people here DO expect the Jags to win, because apparently the Jags are far superior to the 4-2, division leading, beat multiple teams we've lost to, Raiders.
It's hard to argue logic vs Blind-Fan-Faith.
Can't lie though... I admire their optimism.
Quote:Those 2 statements are my point.
The rest is pretty much "congrats looking competitive against other bad teams".
So you don't want to be happy about two wins against terrible teams? It does not matter how bad the opponent is. A win is a win.
Quote:So you don't want to be happy about two wins against terrible teams? It does not matter how bad the opponent is. A win is a win.
Being happy about getting the W and thinking the team is playing well are two very different things.
I can certainly be happy to get the win, and still feel that the team is under-performing, and look at the game objectively and see that for 3 quarters the Jaguars played like garbage against one of the worst teams in the league, and barely managed to come back and beat them.
Yes. I'm happy about the W.
No, I am not satisfied with the performance.
Quote:Being happy about getting the W and thinking the team is playing well are two very different things.
I can certainly be happy to get the win, and still feel that the team is under-performing, and look at the game objectively and see that for 3 quarters the Jaguars played like garbage against one of the worst teams in the league, and barely managed to come back and beat them.
Yes. I'm happy about the W.
No, I am not satisfied with the performance.
I don't think a single person on this board is satisfied. The majority of people on here know the Jags played one of their worst games of the season. It just shows that even when we are playing really bad football, we can still have a chance to win.
Quote:I don't think a single person on this board is satisfied. The majority of people on here know the Jags played one of their worst games of the season. It just shows that even when we are playing really bad football, we can still have a chance to win.
Cleatwood, you get it. Unfortunately, if you read through the posts and those who disagree with me... there are a number of posters here who honestly believe the team is playing well.
Playing really bad football only leads to a win against really bad teams like Indy and Chicago. There's no way we beat Oakland playing like that, and as numerous posters will tell you, Oakland isn't even that good.
Quote:Cleatwood, you get it. Unfortunately, if you read through the posts and those who disagree with me... there are a number of posters here who honestly believe the team is playing well.
Playing really bad football only leads to a win against really bad teams like Indy and Chicago. There's no way we beat Oakland playing like that, and as numerous posters will tell you, Oakland isn't even that good.
I think Oakland is a middle of the pack team and the difference here is that they're beating the teams they should. We should be 3-2 right now because we definitely should have beaten the Ravens. They gave the Jags every chance to win and the Jags blew it.
I wouldn't take that small group of people thinking this team is playing well (even though the D is playing well) as the majority.
Quote:I think Oakland is a middle of the pack team and the difference here is that they're beating the teams they should. We should be 3-2 right now because we definitely should have beaten the Ravens. They gave the Jags every chance to win and the Jags blew it.
I wouldn't take that small group of people thinking this team is playing well (even though the D is playing well) as the majority.
Devil's advocate... you said "I don't think a
single person"... :p
Oakland is absolutely a Middle of the Pack team. That's good enough for 4-2 and leading their division.
And yes, that's where I had hoped we would be this year... but we're not.
As for the Ravens... well... that kind of proves my point... they basically TRIED to lose and we still couldn't get the W.
Look at the Bears game... if not for the DB falling down, Benn would not have been able to get back up and run 30 yards for the winning TD.
For every instance of "If X had happened.." that is used for the Packers and Ravens loss, you can find the opposite arguments in the Indy and Chicago wins.
I don't believe in the "We
SHOULD be" anything other than what we are. Could have, should have, would have, didn't.
It's maddening... we HAVE the talent. That's painfully obvious. We're just not executing.
Quote:So you're saying the Raiders suck and are lucky to have four wins? Like the Jaguars, they were widely picked as a darkhorse playoff contender because of a talent infusion to go with their third year QB. Now the Chiefs don't get talked about as much as they were last year, instead gaining the most attention for upsetting Oakland.
No, it's not that I think they suck. I just think they start off well every year, then fall off the face of the planet.
Quote:The raiders are a better overall team than you're giving them credit for. They're right up there at the top of the afc.
I'd be pumped if the jags pulled off the win but I wanna see us play well, I don't want it to be just a poor performance by the raiders that get us by.
They're defense is like the 32nd ranked defense in the league.
Quote:All you are saying is you are not a Jaguars fan. The reality is we won our last two games, never trailed in Week 4, and have only been blown out at San Diego. The reality is we stayed in games and barely lost at home twice. The reality is we have shown the ability to beat teams that are not named the Colts and Bears. You are the one who needs a reality check.
You should really throw in that the Chargers beat the Broncos... it adds a little
je ne sais quoi to it.
We can argue all week long about how Chicago should have won that game. In the end, we did what winning teams do. Yes, that DB could have tackled Benn on the spot, but Benn also slipped on the play and had the awareness to get up. I got blasted for this after the Ravens game because we lost, but still firmly believe it is important to remember what we did right each week, win or lose. Saying, "We won but . . ." and acting like the win was handed to us is wrong.
Quote:You should really throw in that the Chargers beat the Broncos... it adds a little je ne sais quoi to it.
Adds a little what? I only read English.
That game was unbelievable. The Chargers are obviously not as bad as their record. However it is worth noting the one guy missing on their offense was not a player, but Gary Kubiak.