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(10-08-2018, 12:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018, 12:56 PM)Nashville.Dave Wrote: [ -> ]So basically, what you guys were screaming on the game thread yesterday.

From the little bit i heard, yes. He said some of the same things.

So it took him a day to figure out what we knew was happening in real time? Hmmmm.....

(10-08-2018, 07:35 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018, 07:12 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn't agree more. I'd like to see them get Chark some more opportunities. Moncrief just seems like a waste of a down to throw to.

Chark should get all of Moncrief's deep targets imo.

You'd be hard pressed to find another WR who gives less effort trying to track and go get the football in the air than Moncrief does.

He must be this era's Matt Jones.

(10-08-2018, 07:35 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018, 07:12 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn't agree more. I'd like to see them get Chark some more opportunities. Moncrief just seems like a waste of a down to throw to.

Chark should get all of Moncrief's deep targets imo.

You'd be hard pressed to find another WR who gives less effort trying to track and go get the football in the air than Moncrief does.

Yep that cost the Jags big time trying to run way too many deep passes to Moncrief. That should be removed from the playbook. He sucks at catching the ball and the plays take way too long. Use Chark, Cole, etc on those passes and the results will be better.

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(10-09-2018, 12:38 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018, 07:35 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Chark should get all of Moncrief's deep targets imo.

You'd be hard pressed to find another WR who gives less effort trying to track and go get the football in the air than Moncrief does.

Yep that cost the Jags big time trying to run way too many deep passes to Moncrief. That should be removed from the playbook. He sucks at catching the ball and the plays take way too long. Use Chark, Cole, etc on those passes and the results will be better.

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Moncrief's ability to get after the ball in those situations has been disappointing, but let's not pretend Blake has been giving him much of a chance on many of them. 

Here are four craptastic misses from Blake to #10 from the chefs game:



That said -  I'm actually in agreement with the prior suggestion that Chark begin taking some of Moncrief's snaps. 
If for no other reason than his apparent ability to track the ball - which may allow him to adjust his route on bad passes on those days when Bad Blake shows up.  Though none of the passes above were salvageable - maybe Chark can salvage more than Moncrief has on those that aren't totally uncatchable.

(10-09-2018, 01:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018, 12:38 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Yep that cost the Jags big time trying to run way too many deep passes to Moncrief. That should be removed from the playbook. He sucks at catching the ball and the plays take way too long. Use Chark, Cole, etc on those passes and the results will be better.

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Moncrief's ability to get after the ball in those situations has been disappointing, but let's not pretend Blake has been giving him much of a chance on many of them. 

Here are four craptastic misses from Blake to #10 from the chefs game:



That said -  I'm actually in agreement with the prior suggestion that Chark begin taking some of Moncrief's snaps. 
If for no other reason than his apparent ability to track the ball - which may allow him to adjust his route on bad passes on those days when Bad Blake shows up.  Though none of the passes above were salvageable - maybe Chark can salvage more than Moncrief has on those that aren't totally uncatchable.

If you look at those 4 plays, the one in the dirt was bad. The 2 overthrows i would not consider bad, every time the defneder grabeed and held Moncrief and he slowed down(terrible effort) Chark might have gotten to them.  The one thing RBB5 does well is timing with his deep passes. The last one is either a incredibly bad throw, or on the play it looks like moncrief faked inside and then turn out, he hit the db and then stopped and blake had already throw the ball out.

I personally think that some of it is on blake but alot is on moncrief being lazy. I would rather see chark out there the more time he gets the better he will get.

Of course i could be wrong and moncrief is an elite WR

(10-09-2018, 01:36 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018, 01:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Moncrief's ability to get after the ball in those situations has been disappointing, but let's not pretend Blake has been giving him much of a chance on many of them. 

Here are four craptastic misses from Blake to #10 from the chefs game:
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If you look at those 4 plays, the one in the dirt was bad. The 2 overthrows i would not consider bad, every time the defneder grabeed and held Moncrief and he slowed down(terrible effort) Chark might have gotten to them.  The one thing RBB5 does well is timing with his deep passes. The last one is either a incredibly bad throw, or on the play it looks like moncrief faked inside and then turn out, he hit the db and then stopped and blake had already throw the ball out.
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Sorry, but no - I just watched all of these in slow motion multiple times from two angles to make those screengrabs.  Your analysis is incredibly inaccurate. There isn't a receiver on this planet capable of catching any of those four terrible passes.

(10-09-2018, 01:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018, 01:36 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at those 4 plays, the one in the dirt was bad. The 2 overthrows i would not consider bad, every time the defneder grabeed and held Moncrief and he slowed down(terrible effort) Chark might have gotten to them.  The one thing RBB5 does well is timing with his deep passes. The last one is either a incredibly bad throw, or on the play it looks like moncrief faked inside and then turn out, he hit the db and then stopped and blake had already throw the ball out.
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Sorry, but no - I just watched all of these in slow motion multiple times from two angles to make those screengrabs.  Your analysis is incredibly inaccurate. There isn't a receiver on this planet capable of catching any of those four terrible passes.

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Moncrief still sucks

(10-09-2018, 01:47 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018, 01:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, but no - I just watched all of these in slow motion multiple times from two angles to make those screengrabs.  Your analysis is incredibly inaccurate. There isn't a receiver on this planet capable of catching any of those four terrible passes.

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Moncrief still sucks

Real talk: 

 Moncrief doesn't suck. But he's definitely got some issues holding him back from being a better contributor.   Re-watching his play from the past three games he struggles at times in two areas:
 - Creating adequate separation in some of his breaks. A little sluggish there at times. 
 - And fighting through a defender to make an effort on an off-target throw. I'd say a lack of ball awareness (tracking) and lack of aggressiveness are the disappointing factors there. 

I admittedly thought he'd be at least marginally better than this and I was clearly wrong about that. But he doesn't suck. He's an average #2 that's not earning his contract so far with 11 games to play.  I'm not very optimistic he'll have a major surge of improvement in the remainder of the season - but there's still lots of football to play.