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So is the “bigger than a hurricane” threat winning?

The big shocker is Duval which was always red went blue for Nelson and Gillum which is good news so far.

Why in the hell does it take so long for South Florida to count their votes? I get they have more people than in the panhandle but this crap happens every election.

Crazy to think someone as radically left as Gillum could actually win.  Open borders and massive welfare is a preposterous idea.  And anyone who supports Bernie's medicare for all probably hasn't thought very hard about it.  Even the Brits and their nationalized model understand you need some percent of private insurance and private payers to pump enough money into the system to keep it afloat.  

I suppose that is the natural progression for successful states to eventually turn left over time as more and more people move there.  The only question is can the industries that made that state successful survive those leftwing policies.

(11-06-2018, 09:18 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Crazy to think someone as radically left as Gillum could actually win.  Open borders and massive welfare is a preposterous idea.  And anyone who supports Bernie's medicare for all probably hasn't thought very hard about it.  Even the Brits and their nationalized model understand you need some percent of private insurance and private payers to pump enough money into the system to keep it afloat.

Agreed, Medicare for all is an unsustainable model, but so is what we have today. What I would get behind is some kind of hybrid system, where people and families below a certain income level are granted access to Medicare, and those above that level are given vouchers based upon family size, age and income to use on the open market. You'd need some kind of controls in there to make sure people aren't being gouged, like what we saw immediately happen with Obamacare, but a hybridized voucher system would, imo, be the fairest and best long-term model. If you tie the vouchers to % of a covered plan's premium, you go a long way towards making it hard for an insurance company to screw citizens over.

If you'd rather skip the talking heads, here's a good website showing live updated maps, graphs and results.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-...on-results

Looks like DeSantis is holding a solid 1.2% lead.

(11-06-2018, 09:33 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2018, 09:18 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Crazy to think someone as radically left as Gillum could actually win.  Open borders and massive welfare is a preposterous idea.  And anyone who supports Bernie's medicare for all probably hasn't thought very hard about it.  Even the Brits and their nationalized model understand you need some percent of private insurance and private payers to pump enough money into the system to keep it afloat.

Agreed, Medicare for all is an unsustainable model, but so is what we have today. What I would get behind is some kind of hybrid system, where people and families below a certain income level are granted access to Medicare, and those above that level are given vouchers based upon family size, age and income to use on the open market. You'd need some kind of controls in there to make sure people aren't being gouged, like what we saw immediately happen with Obamacare, but a hybridized voucher system would, imo, be the fairest and best long-term model. If you tie the vouchers to % of a covered plan's premium, you go a long way towards making it hard for an insurance company to screw citizens over.

U mean overlap Medicare and Medicaid?

(11-06-2018, 09:13 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Why in the hell does it take so long for South Florida to count their votes? I get they have more people than in the panhandle but this crap happens every election.

Voter fraud takes time.

The Dem strongholds in the big cities like to see the results from rural counties first. That way they know exactly how many votes they have to fabricate.

Looks like DeSantis and Scott will win in very close races.

The blue puddle.

(11-06-2018, 11:26 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like DeSantis and Scott will win in very close races.

This is what happens when you decide to run a guy who lets the FBI pay for his campaign rallies.

I saw some polls that had Gillum up by ten... lol

(11-07-2018, 02:57 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]I saw some polls that had Gillum up by ten...  lol

That was the Indictments forecast.

(11-06-2018, 09:13 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Why in the hell does it take so long for South Florida to count their votes? 

 Before putting the ballot cards through the counter, the Democrats carefully examine each one to decide which chads to leave hanging.

Some thoughts:

1. History is history for the reason. No reasonable person expected the GOP to retain control of the house.
2. Looks like we can always count on the panhandle to keep Florida sane.
3. Not sure what is happening to Duval. I will just chalk it up to DeSantis not being the greatest candidate.
4. Real voters don't care what celebrities think. Abrams got smoked like ham and she still refuses to concede.
5. Gridlock in DC for the next two years
6. Will the democrats choose to legislate or investigate? I just don't think they can help themselves. Their choice is crucial for their changes in 2020.
7. Beto raised 70M and still lost. Democrats will still chalk it up as a "win".
8. GOP managed to pick up seats in the senate while getting rid of some never-Trumpers. This is officially Trump's GOP now.
9. I have a sneaky suspicion Trump will nominate his third SCOTUS in this next election cycle.
10. Will Pelosi be speaker or will they let a more sane person do it?
11. Does Mad Maxine being in charge of Wall Street frighten anyone? Imagine the kickbacks her corrupt soul will be getting to just "be invisible"
10. Will the dems bend to what their base wants and impeach Trump? Will they impeach Kavanaugh? Can they be this dumb? Even I don't think they can.

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(11-06-2018, 08:41 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So is the “bigger than a hurricane” threat winning?

A Nor'easter pushed this one off shore, so Florida managed to avoid any damage at all. The fear is that global warming will be sending a lot more of these our way, so getting hit by one is essentially inevitable.

(11-07-2018, 08:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Some thoughts:

1. History is history for the reason. No reasonable person expected the GOP to retain control of the house.
2. Looks like we can always count on the panhandle to keep Florida sane.
3. Not sure what is happening to Duval. I will just chalk it up to DeSantis not being the greatest candidate.
4. Real voters don't care what celebrities think. Abrams got smoked like ham and she still refuses to concede.
5. Gridlock in DC for the next two years
6. Will the democrats choose to legislate or investigate? I just don't think they can help themselves. Their choice is crucial for their changes in 2020.
7. Beto raised 70M and still lost. Democrats will still chalk it up as a "win".
8. GOP managed to pick up seats in the senate while getting rid of some never-Trumpers. This is officially Trump's GOP now.
9. I have a sneaky suspicion Trump will nominate his third SCOTUS in this next election cycle.
10. Will Pelosi be speaker or will they let a more sane person do it?
11. Does Mad Maxine being in charge of Wall Street frighten anyone?  Imagine the kickbacks her corrupt soul will be getting to just "be invisible"
10. Will the dems bend to what their base wants and impeach Trump? Will they impeach Kavanaugh? Can they be this dumb? Even I don't think they can.

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I'll chalk Duval up to voter fraud.

(11-07-2018, 09:23 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2018, 08:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Some thoughts:

1. History is history for the reason. No reasonable person expected the GOP to retain control of the house.
2. Looks like we can always count on the panhandle to keep Florida sane.
3. Not sure what is happening to Duval. I will just chalk it up to DeSantis not being the greatest candidate.
4. Real voters don't care what celebrities think. Abrams got smoked like ham and she still refuses to concede.
5. Gridlock in DC for the next two years
6. Will the democrats choose to legislate or investigate? I just don't think they can help themselves. Their choice is crucial for their changes in 2020.
7. Beto raised 70M and still lost. Democrats will still chalk it up as a "win".
8. GOP managed to pick up seats in the senate while getting rid of some never-Trumpers. This is officially Trump's GOP now.
9. I have a sneaky suspicion Trump will nominate his third SCOTUS in this next election cycle.
10. Will Pelosi be speaker or will they let a more sane person do it?
11. Does Mad Maxine being in charge of Wall Street frighten anyone?  Imagine the kickbacks her corrupt soul will be getting to just "be invisible"
10. Will the dems bend to what their base wants and impeach Trump? Will they impeach Kavanaugh? Can they be this dumb? Even I don't think they can.

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I'll chalk Duval up to voter fraud.

Really? I thought that was evened out by the voter suppression. Although it wasn't nearly as obvious as Georgia.

These results do not bode well for Donald and the Republicans in 2020.

In Florida The Lap Dog barely, barely won even though he was attached at the hip to Donald and Fox News. Against a black man that no one outside of Tallahassee had even heard of six months ago. Who was called a Socialist by the right-wing press. Not good.

In Texas, the man no one likes, Ted Cruz - the man who sold his soul and kissed Donald's [BLEEP] - barely, barely won to a man no one had even heard of six months ago. In red state Texas. No good.

A black woman - let me say that again: a black woman - almost won in Georgia. In Georgia. The Richard Nixon/ George Wallace/ Donald Trump southern strategy is starting to fall apart.

In 2020 the Senate map is not favorable to Republicans, just as the map was not favorable to Dems in 2018. Expect to see a number of elderly Repubs retire before their re-election race.

It breaks my heart to know punk Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes and the other yahoos will now reap what they sowed. Hope they enjoy reading Donald's tax returns. Chaos and confusion will reign.

(11-07-2018, 10:04 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]These results do not bode well for Donald and the Republicans in 2020.

In Florida The Lap Dog barely, barely won even though he was attached at the hip to Donald and Fox News. Against a black man that no one outside of Tallahassee had even heard of six months ago. Who was called a Socialist by the right-wing press. Not good.

In Texas, the man no one likes, Ted Cruz - the man who sold his soul and kissed Donald's [BLEEP] - barely, barely won to a man no one had even heard of six months ago. In red state Texas. No good.

A black woman - let me say that again: a black woman - almost won in Georgia. In Georgia. The Richard Nixon/ George Wallace/ Donald Trump southern strategy is starting to fall apart.

In 2020 the Senate map is not favorable to Republicans, just as the map was not favorable to Dems in 2018. Expect to see a number of elderly Repubs retire before their re-election race.

It breaks my heart to know punk Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes and the other yahoos will now reap what they sowed. Hope they enjoy reading Donald's tax returns. Chaos and confusion will reign.

Beto had 70M pumped into his campaign and still got smoked.

The "Black woman" had the backing of Oprah and Obama and still got smoked

DeSantis was a weak candidate and still won

You are so delusional it is scary.