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If Rodgers,Brees ,Brady were playing as bad as he is they wouldn't say they are the scapegoats they'd take blame and say they have to play better. But we all knew Caldwell would die on the Bortles hill till he is canned.

My fear for the team was our window will close very quickly and they wasted another year. If they chose Watson he may not be elite but this team would be so much better.

Kessler can save the season

The D having his back in the article is not suprising you can't come out and say your qb is trash haha.

(10-25-2018, 09:09 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]If Rodgers,Brees ,Brady were playing as bad as he is they wouldn't say they are the scapegoats they'd take blame and say they have to play better. But we all knew Caldwell would die on the Bortles hill till he is canned.

My fear for the team was our window will close very quickly and they wasted another year. If they chose Watson he may not be elite but this team would be so much better.

I had some delusions that last year wasnt our once in a decade success.  I thought blake had turned a corner yeah wont make that overly optimistic mistake again. The guy is tough as heck but he isn't a NFL QB.  Offense is predicated on him being minimized which is no fun.

So tough to watch him set the QB position back.  We dont run screens for crying out loud.

(10-25-2018, 04:08 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2018, 03:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Haha. Yeah - dude is no dummy. 
He knows what that player would do to his bottom line in a military town. 

Not happening.

Nothing to worry about.  Guy doesn't want to play football.  He is now a prop used by talking heads to push a narrative.  The counter to everyone of their arguments is yeah but Blaine Gabbert beat him out in an QB competition.  And yeah Gabbert is on a roster as well.

Let me preface by stating I am not singling you out, MoJagFan.  You are far from the only one who has voiced these sentiments.  Your post just happened to be the most ...convenient for a reply.

As many times as coaches are second guessed for various decisions, it's interesting that it's automatically assumed Chip Kelly made the right decision naming Gabbert the starter over Kaepernick.

First off, Kelly (TMD's darling) has absolutely crashed and burned since his one year winning in Philly.  He ran that team into the ground, they fired him and then they won the Super Bowl.  He went to San Francisco and finished 2-14.  Now, he has run UCLA into the ground.  His acumen as a coach-especially at the professional level-is NOT beyond reproach.

Yes, he named Gabbert the opening day starter.  Starting the first five games, Gabbert had a TD-INT ratio of 5-6.  Eventually he was replaced by Kaepernick, who started the remainder of the year, and had a TD-INT ratio of 16-4.  Kaepernick also had a higher Y/A average, completion percentage, and a TWENTY TWO (22) point higher QB rating than Gabbert.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...o/2016.htm

Yes, the team won only one game under each QB, which means the team had a lower winning percentage that year under Kaepernick.  However, the 49ers had the lowest rated defense in scoring and yards.

Also keep in mind, Kaepernick has an overall TD-INT ratio of (72-30), which is infinitely better than Gabbert (45-44) and, for that matter Bortles (99-72).  More food for thought:  taking the figures at profootball reference at face value, as of this posting, Kaepernick and Bortles played in exactly the same number of games while having ten (10) fewer starts.  Kaepernick's overall record is 28-30.  Now that isn't Brady-esque by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better than Bortles' 24-44 record overall.  So same number of games, ten fewer starts, four more wins, 14 fewer losses, and less than half the INTs as Bortles.  Oh yeah...Kaepernick did actually take a team to the Super Bowl before Kelly got there.  Kelly never coached a team to the Super Bowl.

There are reasons why Kaepernick would not be a good fit here.  The two years away from football alone would indicate a level of rust that would be hard to overcome. 

But let's not pretend Kaepernick remains unsigned because he was some horrible QB.

I appreciate the feedback Bullseye. I have a friend out in the bay area and they have been miserable since that superbowl loss. Lots were not big Kaep fans because he was figured out. They did appreciate the team friendly deal he signed.

(10-25-2018, 10:19 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I appreciate the feedback Bullseye.  I have a friend out in the bay area and they have been miserable since that superbowl loss.   Lots were not big Kaep fans because he was figured out. They did appreciate the team friendly deal he signed.

Let's be honest here...there are some long QB shadows cast in SF.

Montana and Young were greats.  Hall of Famers, to be sure, and Montana has typically been in the discussion as GOAT until the past 2-3 years.

Kaepernick didn't meet THOSE standards, and naturally he's going to suffer by comparison.

But very few QBs actually DO meet those standards, and MOST QBs are going to suffer by comparison. 

But Kaepernick doesn't have to apologize for his NFL career.  To suggest as some have done that he is somehow some insult to all self respecting QBs is folly.  To suggest as some have done his failure as a QB led to his protest is patently ridiculous.

(10-25-2018, 10:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2018, 10:19 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I appreciate the feedback Bullseye.  I have a friend out in the bay area and they have been miserable since that superbowl loss.   Lots were not big Kaep fans because he was figured out. They did appreciate the team friendly deal he signed.

Let's be honest here...there are some long QB shadows cast in SF.

Montana and Young were greats.  Hall of Famers, to be sure, and Montana has typically been in the discussion as GOAT until the past 2-3 years.

Kaepernick didn't meet THOSE standards, and naturally he's going to suffer by comparison.

But very few QBs actually DO meet those standards, and MOST QBs are going to suffer by comparison. 

But Kaepernick doesn't have to apologize for his NFL career.  To suggest as some have done that he is somehow some insult to all self respecting QBs is folly.  To suggest as some have done his failure as a QB led to his protest is patently ridiculous.

Kap was a product of Harbaugh's system, nothing more.

(10-25-2018, 10:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2018, 10:19 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I appreciate the feedback Bullseye.  I have a friend out in the bay area and they have been miserable since that superbowl loss.   Lots were not big Kaep fans because he was figured out. They did appreciate the team friendly deal he signed.

Let's be honest here...there are some long QB shadows cast in SF.

Montana and Young were greats.  Hall of Famers, to be sure, and Montana has typically been in the discussion as GOAT until the past 2-3 years.

Kaepernick didn't meet THOSE standards, and naturally he's going to suffer by comparison.

But very few QBs actually DO meet those standards, and MOST QBs are going to suffer by comparison. 

But Kaepernick doesn't have to apologize for his NFL career.  To suggest as some have done that he is somehow some insult to all self respecting QBs is folly.  To suggest as some have done his failure as a QB led to his protest is patently ridiculous.

Just like Samson.... it was a women that was the source of his demise.  Just like bunch o men throughout history.

(10-26-2018, 08:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Kap was a product of Harbaugh's system, nothing more.

This.  He was just a guy.  And now the noise he brings would outweigh any talent he has left in the tank.

(10-25-2018, 09:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kessler can save the season

Buuuuuuwwwaaaaaa!!! That's gold Jerry...Gold I tell ya.

(10-25-2018, 09:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kessler can save the season

I don't believe that, however, if Bortles stinks it up in London, I'm all for a change at the BYE week.

But I mean... it's gotta clearly be Bortles, imo. If WRs are still dropping 25% of their targets and the OL looks like the NY subway turnstiles.... I wouldn't be able to say Kessler will fare much better.

And with a loss we'd be at 3-5 with a somewhat favorable schedule (I guess you can call it that) so Kess would have an actual shot to bring us back into contention.
I wouldn't hold my breath for either happening though.

Far too often teams will hold onto a player they've extended to a fault. Especially just half a season into said extension.
So, we'll see.

(10-25-2018, 10:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2018, 10:19 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I appreciate the feedback Bullseye.  I have a friend out in the bay area and they have been miserable since that superbowl loss.   Lots were not big Kaep fans because he was figured out. They did appreciate the team friendly deal he signed.

 To suggest as some have done his failure as a QB led to his protest is patently ridiculous.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh

I dunno how ridiculous it is.


The timing sure was fishy.
I mean... considering there were black men being mistreated by police his whole career.

But this ain't really the forum for all that, is it?

(10-25-2018, 12:35 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I still find it odd that so many players go out of their way to trash the guy.

Yeah, he's not a great QB. But I really don't hear all these punks talking smack about all the other crappy QBs that have come and gone.

Maybe it has to do with his longevity? Like most really bad QBs are gone after a season or two... and this crappy QB keeps beating some teams and it really irks them.
I know some of it (like Jenkins) has to do with some love fest with Crappernick.... but it seems weird to me that so many people have a hard on for knocking Bortles.

It 's the new tarp joke, the lowest-hanging fruit that is easiest to resort to when the topic of the team arises.

(10-26-2018, 11:57 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2018, 12:35 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I still find it odd that so many players go out of their way to trash the guy.

Yeah, he's not a great QB. But I really don't hear all these punks talking smack about all the other crappy QBs that have come and gone.

Maybe it has to do with his longevity? Like most really bad QBs are gone after a season or two... and this crappy QB keeps beating some teams and it really irks them.
I know some of it (like Jenkins) has to do with some love fest with Crappernick.... but it seems weird to me that so many people have a hard on for knocking Bortles.

It 's the new tarp joke, the lowest-hanging fruit that is easiest to resort to when the topic of the team arises.

I guess so.
I mean... it isn't too far off from Ramsey's off season comments given in interviews.

Except far too often the Bortles remarks are unsolicited.
Ramsey was specifically asked about certain players, in a sit down interview.

"Jags defense gave up 40 points to Cowboys" Response: "Yeah, Bortles is trash, amirite?: :trollface:
"What's up with you and Eric Reid having beef" Response: "Yeah well, ya know, I can turn on tape of our opponent and tell you Kap deserves a job"
:doubletrollface:

Feel bad for the dude a lil bit lol
Never have I ever seen such disdain for a guy who very likely is a nice dude to most people in the league.

Sad to say, BB would bring a 6th or 7th round pick.

(10-26-2018, 06:56 PM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]Sad to say, BB would bring a 6th or 7th round pick.

No he wouldn't

(10-25-2018, 10:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2018, 04:08 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing to worry about.  Guy doesn't want to play football.  He is now a prop used by talking heads to push a narrative.  The counter to everyone of their arguments is yeah but Blaine Gabbert beat him out in an QB competition.  And yeah Gabbert is on a roster as well.

Let me preface by stating I am not singling you out, MoJagFan.  You are far from the only one who has voiced these sentiments.  Your post just happened to be the most ...convenient for a reply.

As many times as coaches are second guessed for various decisions, it's interesting that it's automatically assumed Chip Kelly made the right decision naming Gabbert the starter over Kaepernick.

First off, Kelly (TMD's darling) has absolutely crashed and burned since his one year winning in Philly.  He ran that team into the ground, they fired him and then they won the Super Bowl.  He went to San Francisco and finished 2-14.  Now, he has run UCLA into the ground.  His acumen as a coach-especially at the professional level-is NOT beyond reproach.

Yes, he named Gabbert the opening day starter.  Starting the first five games, Gabbert had a TD-INT ratio of 5-6.  Eventually he was replaced by Kaepernick, who started the remainder of the year, and had a TD-INT ratio of 16-4.  Kaepernick also had a higher Y/A average, completion percentage, and a TWENTY TWO (22) point higher QB rating than Gabbert.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...o/2016.htm

Yes, the team won only one game under each QB, which means the team had a lower winning percentage that year under Kaepernick.  However, the 49ers had the lowest rated defense in scoring and yards.

Also keep in mind, Kaepernick has an overall TD-INT ratio of (72-30), which is infinitely better than Gabbert (45-44) and, for that matter Bortles (99-72).  More food for thought:  taking the figures at profootball reference at face value, as of this posting, Kaepernick and Bortles played in exactly the same number of games while having ten (10) fewer starts.  Kaepernick's overall record is 28-30.  Now that isn't Brady-esque by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better than Bortles' 24-44 record overall.  So same number of games, ten fewer starts, four more wins, 14 fewer losses, and less than half the INTs as Bortles.  Oh yeah...Kaepernick did actually take a team to the Super Bowl before Kelly got there.  Kelly never coached a team to the Super Bowl.

There are reasons why Kaepernick would not be a good fit here.  The two years away from football alone would indicate a level of rust that would be hard to overcome. 

But let's not pretend Kaepernick remains unsigned because he was some horrible QB.

This is a pretty subjective view, not very much objectivity.

Let’s compare W-L between Bortles and Kaepernick and forget the dumpster fire that surrounded Bortles for the first 4 years.

Cause, you know... all 44 of those loses were strictly because of Bortles and not the HISTORICALLY bad head coach right?

I’m not saying Bortles is the future here, but he will have a future in the NFL as a backup somewhere if we do indeed move on from him. Can’t say that about Kaepernick regardless of the “stats”.

(10-26-2018, 07:18 PM)USCG_JAG Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2018, 10:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Let me preface by stating I am not singling you out, MoJagFan.  You are far from the only one who has voiced these sentiments.  Your post just happened to be the most ...convenient for a reply.

As many times as coaches are second guessed for various decisions, it's interesting that it's automatically assumed Chip Kelly made the right decision naming Gabbert the starter over Kaepernick.

First off, Kelly (TMD's darling) has absolutely crashed and burned since his one year winning in Philly.  He ran that team into the ground, they fired him and then they won the Super Bowl.  He went to San Francisco and finished 2-14.  Now, he has run UCLA into the ground.  His acumen as a coach-especially at the professional level-is NOT beyond reproach.

Yes, he named Gabbert the opening day starter.  Starting the first five games, Gabbert had a TD-INT ratio of 5-6.  Eventually he was replaced by Kaepernick, who started the remainder of the year, and had a TD-INT ratio of 16-4.  Kaepernick also had a higher Y/A average, completion percentage, and a TWENTY TWO (22) point higher QB rating than Gabbert.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...o/2016.htm

Yes, the team won only one game under each QB, which means the team had a lower winning percentage that year under Kaepernick.  However, the 49ers had the lowest rated defense in scoring and yards.

Also keep in mind, Kaepernick has an overall TD-INT ratio of (72-30), which is infinitely better than Gabbert (45-44) and, for that matter Bortles (99-72).  More food for thought:  taking the figures at profootball reference at face value, as of this posting, Kaepernick and Bortles played in exactly the same number of games while having ten (10) fewer starts.  Kaepernick's overall record is 28-30.  Now that isn't Brady-esque by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better than Bortles' 24-44 record overall.  So same number of games, ten fewer starts, four more wins, 14 fewer losses, and less than half the INTs as Bortles.  Oh yeah...Kaepernick did actually take a team to the Super Bowl before Kelly got there.  Kelly never coached a team to the Super Bowl.

There are reasons why Kaepernick would not be a good fit here.  The two years away from football alone would indicate a level of rust that would be hard to overcome. 

But let's not pretend Kaepernick remains unsigned because he was some horrible QB.

This is a pretty subjective view, not very much objectivity.

Let’s compare W-L between Bortles and Kaepernick and forget the dumpster fire that surrounded Bortles for the first 4 years.

Cause, you know... all 44 of those loses were strictly because of Bortles and not the HISTORICALLY bad head coach right?

I’m not saying Bortles is the future here, but he will have a future in the NFL as a backup somewhere if we do indeed move on from him. Can’t say that about Kaepernick regardless of the “stats”.

Subjective?!?

I loaded the analysis with supporting facts and stats.  I didn't just say "so and so sucks."

Regarding Bortles, not once did I say all or even most of the losses were solely his fault.

In fact, I've been a pretty decent Bortles defender on these boards.  The longest tenured posters on this board can tell you I have long been a proponent that QBs need held.  Newsflash:  that also applies to Kaepernick.

Do YOU care to offer any supporting facts/stats?

You may be vociferous in your disdain for Kaepernick/defense of Bortles, but passion alone does not an adequate argument make.