(10-29-2018, 08:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]We really worried about the run defense? They are 12th in the league giving up 4.2 yards a carry. Maybe if the offense could score points and allow this defense to pin their ears back you wouldn't see the 5th most rushing attempts in the league.
Have you been watching the games?
This defense cant stop the run at any time during the game.
We are a pass happy defense and we aren't even very good at that when it matters.
How many 3 and longs have we given up? My thoughts damn near all of them.
Also, giving up 4.2 is horrible.
(10-29-2018, 08:18 AM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 07:24 AM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ]Who was the "green dot" wearer last season? Was it Jack or Smith,, or was it Poz even though he wasn't on the field as much?
It was Myles last season as well.
I think our problems in stopping the run are a mix of factors. When we aren't ahead with the score and teams can run we had the same problems last season too.
Okay, thanks. I couldn't recall who it was.
(10-29-2018, 09:17 AM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]We really worried about the run defense? They are 12th in the league giving up 4.2 yards a carry. Maybe if the offense could score points and allow this defense to pin their ears back you wouldn't see the 5th most rushing attempts in the league.
Have you been watching the games?
This defense cant stop the run at any time during the game.
We are a pass happy defense and we aren't even very good at that when it matters.
How many 3 and longs have we given up? My thoughts damn near all of them.
Also, giving up 4.2 is horrible.
No. 4.2 is not horrible. It's actually close to league average but good try.
There are so many more issues with this team that run defense is the least of the Jags worries. How about scoring more than 6 total points in the first half of the last 4 games combined?
I've watched every single game and the run defense has been average. You can't be elite at everything on defense and considering this is a passing league, being elite (most of the time) at that is more important.
"I've watched every single game and the run defense has been average". So what...
Who gives a crap about league average......
Average of 4.2 is horrible.... and our defense cant stop the run AT ALL when needed.
We are talking about the pourous defense not the horrible offense....
(10-29-2018, 10:46 AM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]"I've watched every single game and the run defense has been average". So what...
Who gives a crap about league average......
Average of 4.2 is horrible.... and our defense cant stop the run AT ALL when needed.
We are talking about the pourous defense not the horrible offense....
You don't think the poor offense plays a part in our the defense performs? Those guys are constantly on the field and yet you expect them to be elite against the run?
I agree that I think they can be a little better but when taking all factors into consideration this season, run defense means nothing.
The run defense is an issue. I don't know the answers -- but it needs to tighten up if this team is to make any kind of run at the division.
Yes the T.O.P. is part of it, but there are bad gap fits and overpursuits from LBs every week too.
I thought Smith looked really bad yesterday. Was out of position a few times that I saw and looked like he was giving about half effort on at least one pass play. Doesn't look like the same Telvin Smith as last year.
(10-29-2018, 11:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The run defense is an issue. I don't know the answers -- but it needs to tighten up if this team is to make any kind of run at the division.
Yes the T.O.P. is part of it, but there are bad gap fits and overpursuits from LBs every week too.
^ this
T.O.P is a big deal, but this Defense has been gashed when T.O.P is not an issue.
(10-29-2018, 12:48 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Smith looked really bad yesterday. Was out of position a few times that I saw and looked like he was giving about half effort on at least one pass play. Doesn't look like the same Talvin Smith as last year.
He got that contract. Vacation time?
Season is basically these Redzone stats:
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 41.18% (30th) / 2017 - 68.97% (1st)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.1 (29th )/ 2017 - 3.1 (Tied 13th)
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 50.00% (Tied 7th)/ 2017 - 47.22% (Tied 5th)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.8 (9th )/ 2017 - 1.9 (1st)
Also...
Don't go for 2 in the 3rd quarter of a close game. Made the game 2 scores in the 4th when it did not need to be.
They need stop giving up on the running game. Maybe that 2nd to last drive with some rushing yards, they can get closer than 6 yard line and go for it on 4th instead of the FG.
Someone was saying Telvin is injured and playing throughout it. May not be physically limiting him, but if it is causing him to mentally be a step slow and not go all out, he needs to sit and get healthy.
Telvin hasn't looked good in any game this year. Cant get off blocks and getting beat in pass coverage
(10-29-2018, 04:06 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 12:48 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Smith looked really bad yesterday. Was out of position a few times that I saw and looked like he was giving about half effort on at least one pass play. Doesn't look like the same Talvin Smith as last year.
He got that contract. Vacation time?
(10-29-2018, 06:06 PM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Telvin hasn't looked good in any game this year. Cant get off blocks and getting beat in pass coverage
Yeah, I don't have an answer, but he's not the same. I don't see him as a guy to go on vacation after a payday. Seems very out of character. He has come off the field twice due to injury this year (only to come back out.)
So you have to wonder if there's something holding him back physically, but there are also clear plays in which it's pretty obvious he got fooled or overran the play. Those moments should have gotten better instead of worse this year.
(10-29-2018, 06:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I don't have an answer, but he's not the same. I don't see him as a guy to go on vacation after a payday. Seems very out of character. He has come off the field twice due to injury this year (only to come back out.)
So you have to wonder if there's something holding him back physically, but there are also clear plays in which it's pretty obvious he got fooled or overran the play. Those moments should have gotten better instead of worse this year.
I would tend to think more along these lines. His character and drive seem unquestionable in reality. Maybe he truly is missing Poz's presence and direction in the run game.
(10-29-2018, 06:26 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 06:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I don't have an answer, but he's not the same. I don't see him as a guy to go on vacation after a payday. Seems very out of character. He has come off the field twice due to injury this year (only to come back out.)
So you have to wonder if there's something holding him back physically, but there are also clear plays in which it's pretty obvious he got fooled or overran the play. Those moments should have gotten better instead of worse this year.
I would tend to think more along these lines. His character and drive seem unquestionable in reality. Maybe he truly is missing Poz's presence and direction in the run game.
What they are missing from Poz in the film room. Poz was great later in his career not because of physical skills, but because he could diagnose the play earlier than anyone else.
Without Poz pointing out those tells, Telvin and Mack are running around but without as directed purpose.
(10-29-2018, 05:19 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Season is basically these Redzone stats:
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 41.18% (30th) / 2017 - 68.97% (1st)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.1 (29th )/ 2017 - 3.1 (Tied 13th)
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 50.00% (Tied 7th)/ 2017 - 47.22% (Tied 5th)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.8 (9th )/ 2017 - 1.9 (1st)
Also...
Don't go for 2 in the 3rd quarter of a close game. Made the game 2 scores in the 4th when it did not need to be.
They need stop giving up on the running game. Maybe that 2nd to last drive with some rushing yards, they can get closer than 6 yard line and go for it on 4th instead of the FG.
Someone was saying Telvin is injured and playing throughout it. May not be physically limiting him, but if it is causing him to mentally be a step slow and not go all out, he needs to sit and get healthy.
You can add this as well, yet our Coaches are too stupid and literally refuse to run the ball... Averaging nearly 3 yards before contact, yet how many times did they throw it on 2nd and 2, 3rd and 2, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 etc. etc. just yesterday... It's pathetic.. You trade for a power back then you don't even use him in short yardage situations.. Let alone only hand your RBs the football 8 total times in a game that was never out of hand...
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/10...3132892161
(10-29-2018, 09:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 05:19 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Season is basically these Redzone stats:
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 41.18% (30th) / 2017 - 68.97% (1st)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.1 (29th )/ 2017 - 3.1 (Tied 13th)
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 50.00% (Tied 7th)/ 2017 - 47.22% (Tied 5th)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.8 (9th )/ 2017 - 1.9 (1st)
Also...
Don't go for 2 in the 3rd quarter of a close game. Made the game 2 scores in the 4th when it did not need to be.
They need stop giving up on the running game. Maybe that 2nd to last drive with some rushing yards, they can get closer than 6 yard line and go for it on 4th instead of the FG.
Someone was saying Telvin is injured and playing throughout it. May not be physically limiting him, but if it is causing him to mentally be a step slow and not go all out, he needs to sit and get healthy.
You can add this as well, yet our Coaches are too stupid and literally refuse to run the ball... Averaging nearly 3 yards before contact, yet how many times did they throw it on 2nd and 2, 3rd and 2, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 etc. etc. just yesterday... It's pathetic.. You trade for a power back then you don't even use him in short yardage situations.. Let alone only hand your RBs the football 8 total times in a game that was never out of hand...
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/10...3132892161
We don't agree often, but thanks for posting this. Makes the trade for Hyde and the 6 carries
look fantastic doesn't it? Nah, head people on here will just say they taking what they are given. Lol.
(10-29-2018, 09:12 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 09:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You can add this as well, yet our Coaches are too stupid and literally refuse to run the ball... Averaging nearly 3 yards before contact, yet how many times did they throw it on 2nd and 2, 3rd and 2, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 etc. etc. just yesterday... It's pathetic.. You trade for a power back then you don't even use him in short yardage situations.. Let alone only hand your RBs the football 8 total times in a game that was never out of hand...
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/10...3132892161
We don't agree often, but thanks for posting this. Makes the trade for Hyde and the 6 carries
look fantastic doesn't it? Nah, head people on here will just say they taking what they are given. Lol.
It just goes to show that all of our failures this season goes FULL circle. There's not just one person at fault, but damn near everybody involved. Literally nothing has gone right this season. It's been a full circle of suck.
(10-29-2018, 06:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 04:06 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]He got that contract. Vacation time?
(10-29-2018, 06:06 PM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Telvin hasn't looked good in any game this year. Cant get off blocks and getting beat in pass coverage
Yeah, I don't have an answer, but he's not the same. I don't see him as a guy to go on vacation after a payday. Seems very out of character. He has come off the field twice due to injury this year (only to come back out.)
So you have to wonder if there's something holding him back physically, but there are also clear plays in which it's pretty obvious he got fooled or overran the play. Those moments should have gotten better instead of worse this year.
To me it seems that since the Pittsburgh game in the playoff he has been picked on quite a bit by opposing teams. Against the Steelers if I recall correctly they completed like 13 out of 14 targets on him, Patriots completed quite a few big gains on him. Kansas City attacked him all the time to start the game. Seems like teams has recognized him as a weak point in coverage for certain match-ups and love to run on his side when need tough yards.
He looks indeed a bit slower this year, maybe he has some problems I don't know but it also seems (at least to me) that he's being a bit undisciplined, freelancing a little at times, overpursuing, overrunning plays.
It's not just him obviously and I'm not saying we should get rid of him of course, I love Telvin and I think he can be still be super valuable but with some issues we had with run fits I wonder if the future is Myles at WILL.
Perhaps a bit of overreaction but at his weight we really need Telvin to come back to playing fast and attack like he used to to mitigate his weakness.
Run D issues have arrived from a combination of factors though. For exempletThere was a great Lageman's clip after the Texans game where he showed our LB's hesitanting too much: Dareus and Jackson (or Campbell, can't remember) both took on a double team and there was this huge hole in the middle for the RB in which the LBs could easily come down unblocked and make the play. Both Telvin and Myles instead are there looking at the play but are frozen too long to see if the QB hands it off or not and once they react the RB is already almost through the hole.
In other situations the D-linemen are being pushed aside way too easily, Marrone said we are not playing physical enough up front at times, I wonder if that's cause they are on the field too long or if they are simply too focused just on rushing the passer and being more lazy when it comes to the running game.
One play late in the game with Taven Bryan as DE:
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1057114254371889157
Anyway if only the offense could put points on the board we could play to our strenghts more and pin our ears back and attack, just like we did last year. Even in 2017, whenever the game was close we had the same issues we are having now.
(10-29-2018, 09:30 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 09:12 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]We don't agree often, but thanks for posting this. Makes the trade for Hyde and the 6 carries
look fantastic doesn't it? Nah, head people on here will just say they taking what they are given. Lol.
It just goes to show that all of our failures this season goes FULL circle. There's not just one person at fault, but damn near everybody involved. Literally nothing has gone right this season. It's been a full circle of suck.
Completely agree with that.
(10-29-2018, 06:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 06:01 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]10 or 12 teams play the 3-4 as a base defense. It's not that unusual.
It's the "modern" part of the sentence that's unusual. A 3-4 isn't an innovative new scheme ready made for this era of football, it's fine if you have the pieces (like most defensive schemes) but it isn't modern.
You could say that about just about any traditional defense, like the 4-3 since it's been around since the 50s. In any case, since several teams use the 3-4 with great success it's perfectly workable in modern football.
(10-29-2018, 09:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 05:19 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Season is basically these Redzone stats:
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 41.18% (30th) / 2017 - 68.97% (1st)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.1 (29th )/ 2017 - 3.1 (Tied 13th)
Offense efficiency: 2018 - 50.00% (Tied 7th)/ 2017 - 47.22% (Tied 5th)
Offense TD attempts: 2018 - 2.8 (9th )/ 2017 - 1.9 (1st)
Also...
Don't go for 2 in the 3rd quarter of a close game. Made the game 2 scores in the 4th when it did not need to be.
They need stop giving up on the running game. Maybe that 2nd to last drive with some rushing yards, they can get closer than 6 yard line and go for it on 4th instead of the FG.
Someone was saying Telvin is injured and playing throughout it. May not be physically limiting him, but if it is causing him to mentally be a step slow and not go all out, he needs to sit and get healthy.
You can add this as well, yet our Coaches are too stupid and literally refuse to run the ball... Averaging nearly 3 yards before contact, yet how many times did they throw it on 2nd and 2, 3rd and 2, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 etc. etc. just yesterday... It's pathetic.. You trade for a power back then you don't even use him in short yardage situations.. Let alone only hand your RBs the football 8 total times in a game that was never out of hand...
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/10...3132892161
Are QB rushes included in those metrics? Bortles get a large majority of his rush yardage before contact and could skew the results if his rushes are included.
It really looks like our backs are lucky to get to the line of scrimmage before contact most of the time.
And yeah, Telvin is worrying me too. I found myself wondering what the heck he was doing a number of times the other day. He almost seemed to be loafing as if he was hoping someone else would make the hit.