Trading for a QB another team doesn't want or need sounds like sound logic to get this team with meh OL play and worse WR play from 3-5 to playoff football.
Fans gonna have to accept this season is pretty much lost. Shouldn't want them trading any more draft capital.
We'll be done with Bortles after this season and probably not a game sooner (barring injury) from the looks of things.
(10-29-2018, 08:51 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Team already wasted a trade on Hyde.
Can’t see them going for a QB.
If they did, he wouldn't play #becauseJaguars. I'm j/king tho. Bortles is our best shot at winning. The whole team is injured, and if we get good blake for 2.5 quarters we might be able to win a couple games.
Do we know for sure if Bortles is starting next week when we play Indy? I personally don't think he was very impressive against the Eagles, at least not impressive enough to distinguish himself as the sure starter. Has there been any indication from Marrone as to who will be starting? I thought the Eagles game would be a litmus test to see if they would continue to make him the starter. I'm curious to see how the coaching staff assessed his performance.
(11-02-2018, 09:44 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Do we know for sure if Bortles is starting next week when we play Indy?
It's all but been confirmed. The shoulder injury certainly gives the team some leeway to hold him out a game if they want to see Kessler again. But I doubt they do that personally.
(11-02-2018, 09:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 09:44 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Do we know for sure if Bortles is starting next week when we play Indy?
It's all but been confirmed. The shoulder injury certainly gives the team some leeway to hold him out a game if they want to see Kessler again. But I doubt they do that personally.
Hmm...this could be one of those situations where they tell a player (and the media) that he's not 100%, and they need to rest him. Then Marrone could play Kessler without having to say that the starting QB was "benched". Cowardly and Brilliant all at the same time!
Blake did nothing in the London game to warrant getting benched. He cleaned up his turnovers and played within himself.
The Jaguars are still trying to win games. Bortles will start.
Now, if the powers that be feel the season is lost, sure, they may want to see what Kessler can do. But I don't see that happening until perhaps the last game of the year.
(11-02-2018, 12:18 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Blake's did nothing in the London game to warrant getting benched. He cleaned up his turnovers and played within himself.
I agree. He botched 2 or 3 throws and missed a couple of open guys because he didn't look their way at all. But on the spectrum of "BAD BLAKE ---------- GOOD BLAKE" that game was much closer to the good Blake end of the scale.
If they feel the shoulder is making him play differently however, it's not unreasonable to put Kessler in until he's healed up.
(11-02-2018, 12:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 12:18 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Blake's did nothing in the London game to warrant getting benched. He cleaned up his turnovers and played within himself.
I agree. He botched 2 or 3 throws and missed a couple of open guys because he didn't look their way at all. But on the spectrum of "BAD BLAKE ---------- GOOD BLAKE" that game was much closer to the good Blake end of the scale.
If they feel the shoulder is making him play differently however, it's not unreasonable to put Kessler in until he's healed up.
If those first 2 Eagles drives didn't end with turnovers, we would be in a very different place. I appreciate the posts you made in the 2nd and 2 thread that helped take off my in game glasses. Bortles was middle of the road last week. Honestly we historically haven't been above middle of the pack with QB play. Burnell is good but have we had a top half of the league guy at any point?
(11-02-2018, 12:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 12:18 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Blake's did nothing in the London game to warrant getting benched. He cleaned up his turnovers and played within himself.
I agree. He botched 2 or 3 throws and missed a couple of open guys because he didn't look their way at all. But on the spectrum of "BAD BLAKE ---------- GOOD BLAKE" that game was much closer to the good Blake end of the scale.
If they feel the shoulder is making him play differently however, it's not unreasonable to put Kessler in until he's healed up.
You know that I will give him the benefit of the doubt more than most on here. And I will agree that
overall he played a pretty decent game. But that last drive where we
needed him to make a play, he made a few horrendous throws where I had no idea who he was trying to hit. I believe the one where he split two open receivers, about ten yards in front of him, came on that series. I'm finally beginning to tire of him. Unfortunately, I don't see how way have any way
out of him either this year or next.
(11-02-2018, 12:53 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 12:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. He botched 2 or 3 throws and missed a couple of open guys because he didn't look their way at all. But on the spectrum of "BAD BLAKE ---------- GOOD BLAKE" that game was much closer to the good Blake end of the scale.
If they feel the shoulder is making him play differently however, it's not unreasonable to put Kessler in until he's healed up.
You know that I will give him the benefit of the doubt more than most on here. And I will agree that overall he played a pretty decent game. But that last drive where we needed him to make a play, he made a few horrendous throws where I had no idea who he was trying to hit. I believe the one where he split two open receivers, about ten yards in front of him, came on that series. I'm finally beginning to tire of him. Unfortunately, I don't see how way have any way out of him either this year or next.
Oh there's a way...
You just have to eat a dead cap hit...
Which isn't really that big of a deal as some will make it out to be simply because if Bortles is here that cap space is dead anyway via his contract. If we cut him, we save money, and just eat some on the cap, the amount which has been debated I think is only 6.5 mil.
Seems to me if the team believes QB is a big enough of an issue and they made a mistake they can start to rectify that problem as early as January.
The question really is whether this front office (Tom, Dave, and Doug) want to admit Bortles ISN'T the guy and they messed up. Who takes the fall for it, if anyone?
In all likelihood, we see all of them return, including the Bort. Injuries will be used to excuse a lot of this season. Dave and Bortles (and maybe Doug and co) all get 2019 to make a splash or else 2020 is new blood. Just how I see it playing out as the likeliest of scenarios.
But it is totally possible to move on if they really want to. And it isn't gonna keep this team from making moves they need to make in the draft/free agency of 2019 and beyond.
His performance was decent. And that is the problem. Decent will get you tied for last place in the division. The 3rd string QB for San Francisco was better than decent yesterday. We've got to have better than decent play at the QB position. If Bortles can't do better than decent or pretty decent, this team will continue to fail. Since our all pro defense is no longer playing like all pros, 18 points scored on offense is not going to get us far.
(11-02-2018, 12:53 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 12:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. He botched 2 or 3 throws and missed a couple of open guys because he didn't look their way at all. But on the spectrum of "BAD BLAKE ---------- GOOD BLAKE" that game was much closer to the good Blake end of the scale.
If they feel the shoulder is making him play differently however, it's not unreasonable to put Kessler in until he's healed up.
You know that I will give him the benefit of the doubt more than most on here. And I will agree that overall he played a pretty decent game. But that last drive where we needed him to make a play, he made a few horrendous throws where I had no idea who he was trying to hit. I believe the one where he split two open receivers, about ten yards in front of him, came on that series. I'm finally beginning to tire of him. Unfortunately, I don't see how way have any way out of him either this year or next.
I think lots of us feel some version of this.
I'm hopeful they can draft a kid that will take over mid-season next year.
(11-02-2018, 01:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 12:53 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]You know that I will give him the benefit of the doubt more than most on here. And I will agree that overall he played a pretty decent game. But that last drive where we needed him to make a play, he made a few horrendous throws where I had no idea who he was trying to hit. I believe the one where he split two open receivers, about ten yards in front of him, came on that series. I'm finally beginning to tire of him. Unfortunately, I don't see how way have any way out of him either this year or next.
I think lots of us feel some version of this.
I'm hopeful they can draft a kid that will take over mid-season next year.
It just seemed like he totally melted down after the stupid Westbrook penalty.
(11-02-2018, 01:29 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 01:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think lots of us feel some version of this.
I'm hopeful they can draft a kid that will take over mid-season next year.
It just seemed like he totally melted down after the stupid Westbrook penalty.
That is what happens when you aren't a NFL QB. We saw this play out with Gabbert. We all wanted success and we got bad play. Unfortunately in that case the team waited too long to move on. Sadly I see that happening again. You have to be stubborn about getting a QB. You draft QB until you have one or can trade one away.
So I heard something interesting. Apparently when BB5 declared his injury we were on the hook to pay him $19M in full I believe. So I think we extended him to lessen that impact on the cap this year. I think. It's something I heard Nick Wright say on First Things First when they were talking about Jameis and if he'd ever play again considering he would be guaranteed $21M if he got injured this season. This might all be nonsense but this seems to make sense.
(11-02-2018, 01:47 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]So I heard something interesting. Apparently when BB5 declared his injury we were on the hook to pay him $19M in full I believe. So I think we extended him to lessen that impact on the cap this year. I think. It's something I heard Nick Wright say on First Things First when they were talking about Jameis and if he'd ever play again considering he would be guaranteed $21M if he got injured this season. This might all be nonsense but this seems to make sense.
We're on the hook to pay him more than 19 mil this season and in total gtd money.
As per the cap hit, we save 9 mil cap hit this year (19m-10m) but accrued extra cap hits in other years. (21 mil and 23 mil the next two)
Sounds like stupid logic to me.
(11-02-2018, 02:58 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 01:47 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]So I heard something interesting. Apparently when BB5 declared his injury we were on the hook to pay him $19M in full I believe. So I think we extended him to lessen that impact on the cap this year. I think. It's something I heard Nick Wright say on First Things First when they were talking about Jameis and if he'd ever play again considering he would be guaranteed $21M if he got injured this season. This might all be nonsense but this seems to make sense.
We're on the hook to pay him more than 19 mil this season and in total gtd money.
As per the cap hit, we save 9 mil cap hit this year (19m-10m) but accrued extra cap hits in other years. (21 mil and 23 mil the next two)
Sounds like stupid logic to me.
Oh....well that's unfortunate. Sigh.
It's been roughly four days since this post was made. And all they did was sign Landry Jones. We play Pittsburgh in about two weeks too.
Bortles is still the QB. They'll excuse his inconsistencies this year and chalk it up to poor play at receiver, no protection in the passing game and no push in the run game and also essentially no Fournette all year.
He's safe for the remainder of this season if he doesn't go completely off the rails. Which I don't think he will. Normally when Marrone yanks his [BLEEP] out of the starting line up it seems to straighten him out a little bit. As it rightfully should.
But there's no help coming this year. They'll probably keep him in 2019 and FINALLY bring in a legitimate competitor to push him for one more year or flat out take his job away.
(11-02-2018, 06:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]...
Bortles is still the QB. They'll excuse his inconsistencies this year and chalk it up to poor play at receiver, no protection in the passing game and no push in the run game and also essentially no Fournette all year.
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I think everyone involved, from the front office, to the coaching staff, to the fans in 443 row EE, is absolutely done chalking up Bortles' inconsistencies to anything other than Blake Bortles.