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(11-06-2018, 03:11 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2018, 02:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So did Telvin's inate talent and instinctive play just go away because he went out on a Friday night, because he got a contract, or because you need to make more bad lunch-meat jokes?  

Which is it? 

LOL

If you read his instincts are not in question, they never will be. He's playing as if he's unprepared. All you need to do is watch the games to see that. His payday came because of BIG PLAYS. He is a non factor in the run game and is out of position constantly in pass coverage. When was he ever good at either? Seriously when? lol it's a joke I even have to make that point. He's an instinctual football player, playmaker at heart, BUT you have to be in position to make plays... that comes from time and preparation. For a LB, lots of time and preparation. Understanding tendencies and capitalizing on them, that's what made Telvin special. Could money make a pro athlete relax a bit? Do I even have to answer that? 

Lemme guess, Telvin is playing bad because he is injured? Ah yes, the resident injury excuse man to the rescue.

Telvin Smith has been a better run defender than a pass defender even though his frame would lead a layman to believe the opposite is true.

He’s been consistently one of the best, if not the best, run defender on the Jags roster and in the NFL.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/9...52704?s=20
To be fair, I don’t know what he would rate this year but the Jaguars have seemingly bigger problems to worry about.

(11-06-2018, 01:23 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Telvin got paid and lost his motivation. His game was dependent on big plays driven by his hunger. He ate the bologna. It's interesting how he's so terrible in pass coverage given he's the fastest linebacker in the league. That's just knowing where to be, really no excuse for it. Sounds like he might be hungover on walkthroughs on Saturday's not paying attention.

Nah... 

2017 Telvin was awesome. 2018 Telvin isn't awesome.

I think this team's issue right now is discipline and (MAYBE) a lack of leadership. It seems like we don't have great fortitude. When we're losing, they don't have the ability to overcome it.

Defense is great enough to win offense needs to actually look like it functions like one.

(11-07-2018, 06:36 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2018, 01:23 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Telvin got paid and lost his motivation. His game was dependent on big plays driven by his hunger. He ate the bologna. It's interesting how he's so terrible in pass coverage given he's the fastest linebacker in the league. That's just knowing where to be, really no excuse for it. Sounds like he might be hungover on walkthroughs on Saturday's not paying attention.

Nah... 

2017 Telvin was awesome. 2018 Telvin isn't awesome.

I think this team's issue right now is discipline and (MAYBE) a lack of leadership. It seems like we don't have great fortitude. When we're losing, they don't have the ability to overcome it.

Telvin is a hybrid linebacker, he's built more like a safety. Jack is quick but not a huge hitter. Jacobs looks the part but hasn't played that impressively. We're probably missing Poz more than anyone would have guessed. Having him on the field was probably hiding the lack of physicality in our other linebackers.

(11-08-2018, 06:39 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2018, 06:36 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Nah... 

2017 Telvin was awesome. 2018 Telvin isn't awesome.

I think this team's issue right now is discipline and (MAYBE) a lack of leadership. It seems like we don't have great fortitude. When we're losing, they don't have the ability to overcome it.

Telvin is a hybrid linebacker, he's built more like a safety. Jack is quick but not a huge hitter. Jacobs looks the part but hasn't played that impressively. We're probably missing Poz more than anyone would have guessed. Having him on the field was probably hiding the lack of physicality in our other linebackers.

Jack is definitely a physical hitter. His ability to get off blocks isn't where it needs to be though and his instincts aren't there yet either.  

The thing about Poz was he knew where the run was going almost every time so he didn't really need to get off as many blocks as Jack does.  I often said that the rest of the defense should just follow Poz where ever he heads to on his run fits

The Jaguars and their once-dominant pass rush could use a bit of good fortune. Yannick Ngakoue has only five sacks on 16 knockdowns, 2.2 sacks below that 45 percent expectation. Malik Jackson has only one on eight knockdowns. Blake Bortles might be permanently on the fritz, but it's reasonable to expect more out of Jacksonville's expensively assembled pass rush in the second half.

(11-05-2018, 09:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So, you think losing those guys meant something, but didn't realize we've lost three TEs to injury.

Got it.

Since when has Hackett's offense featured a TE in any relevant capacity? We may as well not have had one the past few seasons. Smh.

(11-09-2018, 02:04 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2018, 09:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So, you think losing those guys meant something, but didn't realize we've lost three TEs to injury.

Got it.

Since when has Hackett's offense featured a TE in any relevant capacity? We may as well not have had one the past few seasons. Smh.

Checkdowns/shallow routes and pass pro is where we utilize TEs
The dropoff from ASJ to what we have now is glaring. It doesnt show up in the stats, but the TE position in this scheme is significant from a utility perspective.

Not just ASJ, but could you imagine having Lewis this year? Man it'd be nice to be able to line him up next to our LT.

(11-05-2018, 11:45 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2018, 09:15 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]You can probably add in a 5th because we shipped off Dante Fowler and Bryan hasn't shown he can replace him.

Well, yeah, because Bryan isn't supposed to replace Dante Fowler. I don't know how many times this has to be said before people finally let it click: Taven Bryan and Dante Fowler do not play the same position. Bryan is a big end/tackle hybrid like Calais Campbell. Dante Fowler is a pass rusher like Yannick Ngakoue. The guy who's going to get reps in place of Fowler is Lerentee McCray, who's seen spot duty as a pass rusher before and has gotten some good pressure in the role.

They're now saying that Smoot will be used more with Fowler gone. 

(11-06-2018, 12:12 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2018, 11:45 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Well, yeah, because Bryan isn't supposed to replace Dante Fowler. I don't know how many times this has to be said before people finally let it click: Taven Bryan and Dante Fowler do not play the same position. Bryan is a big end/tackle hybrid like Calais Campbell. Dante Fowler is a pass rusher like Yannick Ngakoue. The guy who's going to get reps in place of Fowler is Lerentee McCray, who's seen spot duty as a pass rusher before and has gotten some good pressure in the role.

This is why I hate a hybrid system. Big end/tackle vs. pass rusher. Just play the best DE's, regardless of size and let the two best DE's, set the edges. I don't see the importance of having one be a big run stuffer and the other being a smaller pass rusher. Why not just target guys with both skill sets? Calais can set the edge against the run as well as rush the QB on passing downs. Bryan is just a more athletic DT with very limited pass rush ability. I never saw the appeal in the guy.

The quickest pass rushers are often not the biggest guys. You want a "big end" on the strong side vs the TE so your "LEO" can get the passer. And don't tell me we don't have a LEO... we're just now calling him the RDE. 

Ummm no.

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You do not need to pass the ball you can run and be successful.

Did Luck get sacked once? Yeah Fowler was the weak link on that line for sure.

(11-11-2018, 05:29 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Did Luck get sacked once? Yeah Fowler was the weak link on that line for sure.

Well, the d-line wasn't getting anything with him, either.  The fall-off was been at d-tackle.  Plus, Fowler didn't do anything in last week's Rams game.  Haven't seen any highlights from the current game.

The line wasn't bad at all.  We could throw in a blitz once in while...

(11-09-2018, 04:21 PM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2018, 02:04 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Since when has Hackett's offense featured a TE in any relevant capacity? We may as well not have had one the past few seasons. Smh.

Checkdowns/shallow routes and pass pro is where we utilize TEs
The dropoff from ASJ to what we have now is glaring. It doesnt show up in the stats, but the TE position in this scheme is significant from a utility perspective.

We have only seen 5% of the playbook because we don't have a NFL QB. 

They did say Smith has messed up shoulders so that is significant but the defense just lost out on those passing defense stats  

Disaster of a year.

(11-11-2018, 06:06 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-11-2018, 05:29 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Did Luck get sacked once? Yeah Fowler was the weak link on that line for sure.

Well, the d-line wasn't getting anything with him, either.  The fall-off was been at d-tackle.  Plus, Fowler didn't do anything in last week's Rams game.  Haven't seen any highlights from the current game.

The line wasn't bad at all.  We could throw in a blitz once in while...

You were saying?

(11-11-2018, 08:43 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-11-2018, 06:06 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Well, the d-line wasn't getting anything with him, either.  The fall-off was been at d-tackle.  Plus, Fowler didn't do anything in last week's Rams game.  Haven't seen any highlights from the current game.

The line wasn't bad at all.  We could throw in a blitz once in while...

You were saying?

That's weak sauce, man!  lol

He had a couple bad penalties and one good play.  Ok.

And he still didn't do anything here this year.  I'm happy with the two picks.