(11-08-2018, 11:52 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 11:38 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]In a heart beat. Hurns put more effort into one route than Moncrief does entire games.
(11-08-2018, 11:46 AM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]A-Rob is a stud and Hurns has more heart than any two of our current receivers combined.
A-Rob made a mistake for trading Bortles for Trubisky and we made a mistake letting Hurns walk. Both those guys would be upgrades on our team.
I think the issue we really need to look at is that now that Blake doesn't have Hurns, he has no one to throw into the concussion protocol program. Cause Moncrief and Cole aint having it.
Either Moncrief aint trying or Cole will drop it.
I've seen Chark catch in traffic and take a hit.
That's an interesting point you make. Would have to go back and look at every pass, but I wonder if that has something to do with Cole's dropsies. Scared of the hit. Bortles definitely isn't the best when it comes to protecting his receivers.
Westbrook is the only receiver I've liked so far this year. Chark definitely has potential though.
Bortles and Hurns seemed to be on the same page. It was a bad moving letting him go and picking up Moncrief. Some decisions work out, some don't. As a GM you just need to have more that do than don't.
(11-08-2018, 11:58 AM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]That's an interesting point you make. Would have to go back and look at every pass, but I wonder if that has something to do with Cole's dropsies. Scared of the hit. Bortles definitely isn't the best when it comes to protecting his receivers.
Westbrook is the only receiver I've liked so far this year. Chark definitely has potential though.
Think Pete Prisco has been talking about this. If not him, one of the radio guys. Team has expanded what they ask Cole to do and he hasn't been able to take his game to another level. He may be a guy with a certain niche which he does very well but you want to make sure he isn't out of his comfort zone. Keep him near the sidelines or down the field where he isnt in traffic.
(11-08-2018, 09:50 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 02:09 AM)Jords808 Wrote: [ -> ]Facts... our terrible free agent woes continue, smh... we should draft a time machine and tell keenan and jimmy to jump in
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Problem is we still wouldn't have a QB who could get the ball to them! Tell Mark to jump in too.
Mark couldn't take the physical beating or move on those knees. But he could pass the ball better.
Love Bortles' mental and physical toughness and character. Just wish he could accurately pass. It's been a lot of years since we had a quality NFL qb.
(11-08-2018, 12:25 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 11:58 AM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]That's an interesting point you make. Would have to go back and look at every pass, but I wonder if that has something to do with Cole's dropsies. Scared of the hit. Bortles definitely isn't the best when it comes to protecting his receivers.
Westbrook is the only receiver I've liked so far this year. Chark definitely has potential though.
Think Pete Prisco has been talking about this. If not him, one of the radio guys. Team has expanded what they ask Cole to do and he hasn't been able to take his game to another level. He may be a guy with a certain niche which he does very well but you want to make sure he isn't out of his comfort zone. Keep him near the sidelines or down the field where he isnt in traffic.
I didn't even think about. Maybe he is just a vertical threat. Looks like Dede can do it all but Cole can only do it vertical. Man, I really didn't think of that.
(11-08-2018, 11:47 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Arob must be sooo annoyed he finally escaped a bad QB and landed with another!
It's less that Trubisky is bad for Arob and more that Nagy's space the field, YAC based, spread the wealth offense is bad stylistically for Arob. Arob would still be doing very well here I have little doubt.
(11-08-2018, 05:10 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 11:47 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Arob must be sooo annoyed he finally escaped a bad QB and landed with another!
It's less that Trubisky is bad for Arob and more that Nagy's space the field, YAC based, spread the wealth offense is bad stylistically for Arob. Arob would still be doing very well here I have little doubt.
Nah Mitch is terrified to throw into tight windows this year that really impacts how Arob plays.
The offense is fine for Arob as he's getting plenty of 1v1 looks with Nagys scheming and sequences.
He'd still be our best receiver if he was here and probably help our red zone woes a ton
(11-08-2018, 05:10 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 11:47 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Arob must be sooo annoyed he finally escaped a bad QB and landed with another!
It's less that Trubisky is bad for Arob and more that Nagy's space the field, YAC based, spread the wealth offense is bad stylistically for Arob. Arob would still be doing very well here I have little doubt.
And I could say that he wouldn't be successful here and have just as much chance of being right, since the chances of either happening is 0%. Never mind the fact that he's been injured and Bortles has been horrible.
Man some of you are out of your mind. "I take Hurns at 6 million." Hurns is a 1 year wonder.
Stats don’t always tell it.
Arob and Hurns are way better than Coke and Moncrief.
Hurns played here last year and was Mr invisible. Just a guy.
(11-08-2018, 05:47 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 05:10 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's less that Trubisky is bad for Arob and more that Nagy's space the field, YAC based, spread the wealth offense is bad stylistically for Arob. Arob would still be doing very well here I have little doubt.
Nah Mitch is terrified to throw into tight windows this year that really impacts how Arob plays.
The offense is fine for Arob as he's getting plenty of 1v1 looks with Nagys scheming and sequences.
He'd still be our best receiver if he was here and probably help our red zone woes a ton
He gets 1v1's, but they don't run the types of routes that Arob excels at. Nagy is all about getting Cohen/Burton/Gabriel/Miller in space horizontally and hitting them for short gains with lots of YAC. It's also predicated on tons of quick stop and go misdirection stuff. That's the opposite of how Arob wins. And for the record I love Nagy's offense and how he gets the ball to playmakers in space and gives them room to work and beat mismatches. I wish we ran it here.
I agree with you agreeing with me that Arob would still be our best offensive player heh.
Lol this is the worse offense we've fielded in over a decade and we're giving props to the GM?
Lee is the most missed receiver on the roster.
(11-08-2018, 09:47 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Lee is the most missed receiver on the roster.
Yes because the two guys that outplayed him are gone.
(11-07-2018, 11:19 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2018, 11:03 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Hurns is 6 mil a year. Not exactly super cheap.
I'll take Hurns at 6 million over Moncrief at 9 and a half.
No way.........nonsense
Smh..you guys are crazy. Our offense was productive with Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns as the 1& 2 receivers, now we can barely get a first down. I wonder if some of yall really pay attention to what is going on or just create threads for discussion because the board is slow?
(11-09-2018, 12:09 AM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]Smh..you guys are crazy. Our offense was productive with Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns as the 1& 2 receivers, now we can barely get a first down. I wonder if some of yall really pay attention to what is going on or just create threads for discussion because the board is slow?
Im not say our recievers right now are good but im also not gonna say i miss hurns and Robinson... they both had only 1 good year... if u call a 5-11 team productive then THAT is crazy... most of their stats came in garbage time as we were losing by a lot most of the time in 2015, again their only good year... robinson right now is 3rd in recieving yards for the bears, whos wrs are not good.... hurns is completely nonexistent on the cowboys whos best wr was cole beasly till the trade ... sooo they arent crazy to support the idea of hurns and Robinson not being resigned.....
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(11-09-2018, 12:09 AM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]Smh..you guys are crazy. Our offense was productive with Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns as the 1& 2 receivers, now we can barely get a first down. I wonder if some of yall really pay attention to what is going on or just create threads for discussion because the board is slow?
Our offense was productive last year without them basically the whole year. 6th in the league.
In 2016, when we had each of them, our offense ranked 23rd in the league. 2015? 18th,
I'd love to have a healthy A-rob, but come on.......
FYI, we are 22nd right now.
Looking at stats and saying our team was more productive without them is disingenuous... it ignores everything else that went into our team being productive. Look at our receivers and tell me with a straight face that A-Rob or Hurns wouldn't be starters on our team. Starters means they would be upgrades, upgrades means that we would be better.
There is not one WR on our team better than A-Rob and only one better than Hurns and hes on IR. That being said I'd be okay with letting them walk if we replaced them, but Moncrief looks like a bust, ASJ and Lee are hurt. Chark is green, Cole can't catch and Westbrook, while showing flashes, hasn't taken over. Greene has done enough just to dance around at the back of our depth chart. Obviously you can't predict injuries but we lacked depth at the position before the Injuries, we couldn't afford to let those two walk. Obviously they couldn't agree on a contract and we don't know what was discussed behind closed doors, but at the end of the day we had them, we currently need them but we let them walk.
(11-08-2018, 09:01 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 05:47 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nah Mitch is terrified to throw into tight windows this year that really impacts how Arob plays.
The offense is fine for Arob as he's getting plenty of 1v1 looks with Nagys scheming and sequences.
He'd still be our best receiver if he was here and probably help our red zone woes a ton
He gets 1v1's, but they don't run the types of routes that Arob excels at. Nagy is all about getting Cohen/Burton/Gabriel/Miller in space horizontally and hitting them for short gains with lots of YAC. It's also predicated on tons of quick stop and go misdirection stuff. That's the opposite of how Arob wins. And for the record I love Nagy's offense and how he gets the ball to playmakers in space and gives them room to work and beat mismatches. I wish we ran it here.
I agree with you agreeing with me that Arob would still be our best offensive player heh.
Most of Arobs routes with Nagy are him going vertical , slants,those corner routes he loves on the back shoulder, or intermediate digs. It's not like they use him as a space player. It's just Trubisky and him haven't been able to synch up at all. He can't throw backshoulder and hates throwing contested outside the hashes so it basically makes Arob redundant despite his usage. They use Gabriel and Burton vertically quite a bit too.