They hiked the balls seconds before they blew the whistle. Just another case of the refs and nfl bypassing rules and policies to create their ending. We didnt lose the game because of this (technically we did lol), as we didnt play well enough through the whole game to win. But im still waiting for someone to say f it and drop one of these refs. They need accountability too....
I think if it is under two minutes there is a different rule to the challenges. I don’t think the other team can challenge at that point so they have to let those dumb [BLEEP] refs try and figure what happened.
Rashad Green did cost us a tieing score and possibly a winning score but, the defense lost us the game in the first half plain and simple. Adjustments should've been made within the first half. We shut them down in the second half which tells me that we should've beat the Colts somewhere in the range of 26-17.
Let's not forget the missed FG as well.
IJS...
NH3...
(11-11-2018, 08:09 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]They hiked the balls seconds before they blew the whistle. Just another case of the refs and nfl bypassing rules and policies to create their ending. We didnt lose the game because of this (technically we did lol), as we didnt play well enough through the whole game to win. But im still waiting for someone to say f it and drop one of these refs. They need accountability too....
This is true but it's also true that the play was challenged before the next play started as well.
NH3...
(11-12-2018, 07:30 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Rashad Green did cost us a tieing score and possibly a winning score but, the defense lost us the game in the first half plain and simple. Adjustments should've been made within the first half. We shut them down in the second half which tells me that we should've beat the Colts somewhere in the range of 26-17.
Let's not forget the missed FG as well.
IJS...
NH3...
(11-11-2018, 08:09 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]They hiked the balls seconds before they blew the whistle. Just another case of the refs and nfl bypassing rules and policies to create their ending. We didnt lose the game because of this (technically we did lol), as we didnt play well enough through the whole game to win. But im still waiting for someone to say f it and drop one of these refs. They need accountability too....
This is true but it's also true that the play was challenged before the next play started as well.
NH3...
It was inside of two minutes, the play doesn't get challenged, the NFL buzzes the ref. Clearly the play had already run, but apparently if it's the jags it's fine to just declare the previous play never happened.
Personally I blame Caldwell and Coughlin for even having Greene on the roster.
(11-12-2018, 07:39 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I blame Caldwell and Coughlin for even having Greene on the roster.
Agreed. Greene is the biggest waste of roster space since Tony Gilbert inexplicably kept making the roster as our backup MLB.
Green is bad, but doesn't deserve an entire thread of blame. Instead of looking at the fumble, look at the other 59 minutes of play that got us to this point.
(11-12-2018, 08:27 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Green is bad, but doesn't deserve an entire thread of blame. Instead of looking at the fumble, look at the other 59 minutes of play that got us to this point.
The defense [BLEEP] the bed in the first half, we know. We also know the offense was in scoring position at the end of the game to at least go to overtime. Greene made sure that couldn't happen. I personally think it's quite worth discussing why a guy that shouldn't even be on the roster was in the game at that point.
(11-12-2018, 08:31 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 08:27 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Green is bad, but doesn't deserve an entire thread of blame. Instead of looking at the fumble, look at the other 59 minutes of play that got us to this point.
The defense [BLEEP] the bed in the first half, we know. We also know the offense was in scoring position at the end of the game to at least go to overtime. Greene made sure that couldn't happen. I personally think it's quite worth discussing why a guy that shouldn't even be on the roster was in the game at that point.
We all knew he shouldn't be on the roster before this game and before the last game. This goes back to Caldwell. It is moot though because he doesn't fumble, we maybe tie, heck, we maybe even win. Make up zero ground in the division, play one of the hottest teams next week that we were just saved from being humiliated on national TV from.
"Sometimes when you win, you really lose. And sometimes when you lose, you really win. And sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie. And sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning and losing is all one big organic globule from which one extracts what one needs.” —Rosie Perez, White Men Can’t Jump
(11-12-2018, 08:36 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 08:31 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The defense [BLEEP] the bed in the first half, we know. We also know the offense was in scoring position at the end of the game to at least go to overtime. Greene made sure that couldn't happen. I personally think it's quite worth discussing why a guy that shouldn't even be on the roster was in the game at that point.
We all knew he shouldn't be on the roster before this game and before the last game. This goes back to Caldwell. It is moot though because he doesn't fumble, we maybe tie, heck, we maybe even win. Make up zero ground in the division, play one of the hottest teams next week that we were just saved from being humiliated on national TV from.
Caldwell is responsible for him being on the roster, but the decision to have him on the field at that point is all on coaching. With the game on the line, you put the ball in the hands of your proven playmaker.
(11-12-2018, 09:08 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 08:36 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]We all knew he shouldn't be on the roster before this game and before the last game. This goes back to Caldwell. It is moot though because he doesn't fumble, we maybe tie, heck, we maybe even win. Make up zero ground in the division, play one of the hottest teams next week that we were just saved from being humiliated on national TV from.
Caldwell is responsible for him being on the roster, but the decision to have him on the field at that point is all on coaching. With the game on the line, you put the ball in the hands of your proven playmaker.
Coaches suck too man. Pick your poison.
(11-12-2018, 09:15 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 09:08 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell is responsible for him being on the roster, but the decision to have him on the field at that point is all on coaching. With the game on the line, you put the ball in the hands of your proven playmaker.
Coaches suck too man. Pick your poison.
It's time for both to go.
(11-12-2018, 09:21 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 09:15 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Coaches suck too man. Pick your poison.
It's time for both to go.
When your talent is better when it arrives than it is 2-3 years later, that is
red alert about your coaching staff.
(11-12-2018, 08:36 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 08:31 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The defense [BLEEP] the bed in the first half, we know. We also know the offense was in scoring position at the end of the game to at least go to overtime. Greene made sure that couldn't happen. I personally think it's quite worth discussing why a guy that shouldn't even be on the roster was in the game at that point.
We all knew he shouldn't be on the roster before this game and before the last game. This goes back to Caldwell. It is moot though because he doesn't fumble, we maybe tie, heck, we maybe even win. Make up zero ground in the division, play one of the hottest teams next week that we were just saved from being humiliated on national TV from.
"Sometimes when you win, you really lose. And sometimes when you lose, you really win. And sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie. And sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning and losing is all one big organic globule from which one extracts what one needs.” —Rosie Perez, White Men Can’t Jump
So winning this game would have meant nothing?
Great insight per usual.
(11-12-2018, 08:27 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Green is bad, but doesn't deserve an entire thread of blame. Instead of looking at the fumble, look at the other 59 minutes of play that got us to this point.
This.
Church was involved in quite a few major let downs.
(11-12-2018, 09:33 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 08:36 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]We all knew he shouldn't be on the roster before this game and before the last game. This goes back to Caldwell. It is moot though because he doesn't fumble, we maybe tie, heck, we maybe even win. Make up zero ground in the division, play one of the hottest teams next week that we were just saved from being humiliated on national TV from.
"Sometimes when you win, you really lose. And sometimes when you lose, you really win. And sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie. And sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning and losing is all one big organic globule from which one extracts what one needs.” —Rosie Perez, White Men Can’t Jump
So winning this game would have meant nothing?
Great insight per usual.
It would have meant as much as Gruden's Raiders winning for the bigger picture.
(11-12-2018, 09:42 AM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 08:27 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Green is bad, but doesn't deserve an entire thread of blame. Instead of looking at the fumble, look at the other 59 minutes of play that got us to this point.
This.
Church was involved in quite a few major let downs.
Church was never even that good to begin with. The pass rush helped the entire secondary look spectacular last year. Church is better than Cyprien, but still isn't very good.
(11-12-2018, 08:00 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2018, 07:39 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I blame Caldwell and Coughlin for even having Greene on the roster.
Agreed. Greene is the biggest waste of roster space since Tony Gilbert inexplicably kept making the roster as our backup MLB.
Naw. What was that DL or other LB name who kept making the roster and was just awful. He never played. I don't think he played on ST either. I cant think of his name.
Then again, it way have been gilbert. I think he had dreads.
(11-12-2018, 09:42 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Church was never even that good to begin with. The pass rush helped the entire secondary look spectacular last year. Church is better than Cyprien, but still isn't very good.
Church was passable with Dallas against coverage, but he was really supposed to be more of a box safety. Last year, he got to get away with some of that with the having the lead mostly and good pass rush.
Problem is that Jags don't disguise much in coverage. Everyone know how the defense will play them, so they can get the match up that they want. This season though, every team is scheming him into coverage against slot WR and TE's. He is just not good enough do that consistently. He doesn't jam. He doesn't have speed to match WR. He doesn't have great ball skills.
(11-11-2018, 05:43 PM)myrick31 Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like it was a late whistle to review the Jags already snapped the ball well before it was blown dead
Inside 2 minutes its a call from the booth, which regularly over rides the "ball was snapped already" defense.
Snapping the ball quickly only prevents the opponent from challenging.
(11-12-2018, 11:13 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:43 PM)myrick31 Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like it was a late whistle to review the Jags already snapped the ball well before it was blown dead
Inside 2 minutes its a call from the booth, which regularly over rides the "ball was snapped already" defense.
Snapping the ball quickly only prevents the opponent from challenging.
Everyone, including the Jags, Colts, and the announcers were not aware of that. Hell, everyone watching wasn't either. I know I wasn't.
2018 NFL RULEBOOK Wrote:ARTICLE 2. REQUEST FOR REVIEW. A Replay Review will be initiated by a member of the Officiating department from a
location in the League office or a Replay Official from a Replay Booth comparable to the location of the coaches’ booth or Press
Box when the on-field ruling is:
(a) a score for either team;
(b) an interception;
© a fumble or backward pass that is recovered by an opponent or goes out of bounds through an opponent’s end zone;
(d) a muffed scrimmage kick recovered by the kicking team;
(e) after the two-minute warning of each half;
(f) throughout any overtime period; and
(g) any disqualification of a player.
There is no limit to the number of Replay Reviews that may be initiated by personnel designated in this Article. The ability of the designated personnel to initiate a review will be unrelated to the number of timeouts that either team has remaining, and no timeout will be charged for any review initiated pursuant to this Article. The designated personnel must initiate a review before the ball is next legally put in play.
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