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There was absolutely no fire in the defense last night. Something that struck me was the absence of the usual competitive smack talk from our players during the game. They’ve given up. I get the distinct impression that Doug Marrone does not inspire confidence. Like Bullseye said last night, the D played like they were making a business decision. The remainder of the season will simply be a team going through the motions of earning a paycheck.

I had seen enough in the first half and went to bed.
I hope Khan can sort all of this mess out and give Tom as VP
really plug in a coaching staff that is not a bunch of left overs from the ice cream man's
bunch.
That is really where we need a fresh start.
the player stuff will get sorted out as the draft and FA comes around.

When it was first and goal at the ONE and they could not punch it in in 4 tries.....thats when I knew it was game/season/COACH over. That completely STUNK of the Gus/Toby/Bills fiasco in London.

(12-07-2018, 09:32 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]When it was first and goal at the ONE and they could not punch it in in 4 tries.....thats when I knew it was game/season/COACH over.  That completely STUNK of the Gus/Toby/Bills fiasco in London.

That series of plays OFFICIALLY makes Marrone part of the Gus coaching tree.

(12-07-2018, 10:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 09:32 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]When it was first and goal at the ONE and they could not punch it in in 4 tries.....thats when I knew it was game/season/COACH over.  That completely STUNK of the Gus/Toby/Bills fiasco in London.

That series of plays OFFICIALLY makes Marrone part of the Gus coaching tree.

The Gus Badley coaching STICK

(12-07-2018, 10:04 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 10:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]That series of plays OFFICIALLY makes Marrone part of the Gus coaching tree.

The Gus Badley coaching STICK

Stick in the mud.

#firemarone

waiting for presser today hasnt happend yet

(12-07-2018, 02:32 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]#firemarone

waiting for presser today hasnt happend yet

I think I actually want "Walsh" and "Marone" to be axed today just so I don't have to see any of you knuckleheads butcher their names anymore. 

(12-07-2018, 02:40 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 02:32 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]#firemarone

waiting for presser today hasnt happend yet

I think I actually want "Walsh" and "Marone" to be axed today just so I don't have to see any of you knuckleheads butcher their names anymore. 

im just too old and too lazy to fiz bad spellin

The fact that Henry, by all measures, a mediocre RB that has a few good games a year, almost broke the single game rushing record in both yards and TDs is enough for me to want to fire every single member of this staff. Absolutely pathetic, and our defense is supposed to be built.

At least the offense has excuses. The defense should be shooting for shutouts every week and they come out flat more times than not. Just sad and pathetic.

(12-07-2018, 06:27 AM)AlsJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 05:43 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]So having substandard people in the lineup offensively won't lead to penalties?

Having defenders trying to make plays to overcome offensive shortcomings won't lead to stupid penalties?

So having poor coaching won't lead to missed blocks, dropped balls, fumbles, interceptions AND penalties?

Having poor coaching won't lead to defenders missing tackles, blowing coverages AND stupid penalties?

See a person could blame this season on the offensive injuries sure but that's not been the only problem. Everything I listed above has been an issue the oline being injured has nothing not do with receivers dropping balls, that's coaching and skill. If the coach sucks at teaching proper routes or how to catch a ball the HC should step up and fix that but he hasn't. Play calling, clock management both things that are on the HC. Sure the OC and DC call the plays but if those plays aren't working it's on the HC to figure out why. Not everything is on the coach and not everything is on the injuries, however there have been way more problems due to bad coaching than on injuries. If you disagree that is fine, I just think you're wrong.

Ummm this is the big league. If a coach needs to teach you how to catch a ball at this level, you’re playing the wrong position or you’re in the wrong profession. This isn’t pop warner. There is a lack of talent and experience in the WR room. Your issue is with the front office.

(12-07-2018, 04:00 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 06:27 AM)AlsJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]So having poor coaching won't lead to missed blocks, dropped balls, fumbles, interceptions AND penalties?

Having poor coaching won't lead to defenders missing tackles, blowing coverages AND stupid penalties?

See a person could blame this season on the offensive injuries sure but that's not been the only problem. Everything I listed above has been an issue the oline being injured has nothing not do with receivers dropping balls, that's coaching and skill. If the coach sucks at teaching proper routes or how to catch a ball the HC should step up and fix that but he hasn't. Play calling, clock management both things that are on the HC. Sure the OC and DC call the plays but if those plays aren't working it's on the HC to figure out why. Not everything is on the coach and not everything is on the injuries, however there have been way more problems due to bad coaching than on injuries. If you disagree that is fine, I just think you're wrong.

Ummm this is the big league. If a coach needs to teach you how to catch a ball at this level, you’re playing the wrong position or you’re in the wrong profession. This isn’t pop warner. There is a lack of talent and experience in the WR room. Your issue is with the front office.

You are partially correct. People wash out of the league all the time for not being good. If you can't catch you lose your job. Who makes that decision the answer is yes FO, but who benches that person? That's the coach, who fires the coach who cannot teach basic mechanics? The HC. Notice I said that it's "coaching AND skill". Some players catch with their bodies others with their hands it's the coaches job to teach the proper way even at this level. Nice that you picked one little piece out of my post to try to dispute the rest of it. At this level a coach teaches catching, and throwing, and tackling those are called "the basics".

If you think the fall of this team has nothing to do with coaching then you're just being ignorant.

(12-07-2018, 10:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 09:32 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]When it was first and goal at the ONE and they could not punch it in in 4 tries.....thats when I knew it was game/season/COACH over.  That completely STUNK of the Gus/Toby/Bills fiasco in London.

That series of plays OFFICIALLY makes Marrone part of the Gus coaching tree.

That moment when you realize that Marrone being promoted to HC means that Gus Bradley has a "tree".

Send Marrone and Wash both packing, wouldn't be any loss honestly.

(12-07-2018, 08:38 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There was absolutely no fire in the defense last night. Something that struck me was the absence of the usual competitive smack talk from our players during the game. They’ve given up. I get the distinct impression that Doug Marrone does not inspire confidence. Like Bullseye said last night, the D played like they were making a business decision. The remainder of the season will simply be a team going through the motions of earning a paycheck.

I'm telling you, it's this stupid hybrid defense we run. Run either a true 4-3 or a true 3-4 and we could make the most of what we have. Fire Wash and bring in a DC that knows how to design coverages and when to blitz. Wash has talent on his side of the football, but he doesn't know what to do with it. We had an extremely talented defense in 2017 and we largely have the same players. He has lost the defense. We would be so much better off hiring a new HC and bringing in new Coordinators on both sides of the football. A major shift in schemes and philosophies needs to happen for this team to succeed. We were a lot more aggressive on defense last season. This year, the defense looks completely lost, like they have no faith in the playbook.

(12-07-2018, 09:59 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 10:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]That series of plays OFFICIALLY makes Marrone part of the Gus coaching tree.

That moment when you realize that Marrone being promoted to HC means that Gus Bradley has a "tree".

(12-07-2018, 09:59 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 10:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]That series of plays OFFICIALLY makes Marrone part of the Gus coaching tree.

That moment when you realize that Marrone being promoted to HC means that Gus Bradley has a "tree".

Hey, man. You just gotta get out there and get better everyday. Trust the process! 

(12-08-2018, 02:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 08:38 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There was absolutely no fire in the defense last night. Something that struck me was the absence of the usual competitive smack talk from our players during the game. They’ve given up. I get the distinct impression that Doug Marrone does not inspire confidence. Like Bullseye said last night, the D played like they were making a business decision. The remainder of the season will simply be a team going through the motions of earning a paycheck.

I'm telling you, it's this stupid hybrid defense we run. Run either a true 4-3 or a true 3-4 and we could make the most of what we have. Fire Wash and bring in a DC that knows how to design coverages and when to blitz. Wash has talent on his side of the football, but he doesn't know what to do with it. We had an extremely talented defense in 2017 and we largely have the same players. He has lost the defense. We would be so much better off hiring a new HC and bringing in new Coordinators on both sides of the football. A major shift in schemes and philosophies needs to happen for this team to succeed. We were a lot more aggressive on defense last season. This year, the defense looks completely lost, like they have no faith in the playbook.

This scheme operates like a true 4-3 though. The only difference is Calais can two gap and rush the from outside too. Most Seattle schemes have evolved from being purely big end orientated and we have too.    

The big change we need is a DC who is willing to expand on the defensive scheme , add some wrinkles in and develop more complex coverages. Pete Carroll has done that in Seattle which shouldn't be a shock but it's something Wash is totally incapable of.  You aren't really going to be blitzing too often with a front 4 anyway unless you're Mike Zimmer.

(12-08-2018, 01:46 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2018, 02:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'm telling you, it's this stupid hybrid defense we run. Run either a true 4-3 or a true 3-4 and we could make the most of what we have. Fire Wash and bring in a DC that knows how to design coverages and when to blitz. Wash has talent on his side of the football, but he doesn't know what to do with it. We had an extremely talented defense in 2017 and we largely have the same players. He has lost the defense. We would be so much better off hiring a new HC and bringing in new Coordinators on both sides of the football. A major shift in schemes and philosophies needs to happen for this team to succeed. We were a lot more aggressive on defense last season. This year, the defense looks completely lost, like they have no faith in the playbook.

This scheme operates like a true 4-3 though. The only difference is Calais can two gap and rush the from outside too. Most Seattle schemes have evolved from being purely big end orientated and we have too.    

The big change we need is a DC who is willing to expand on the defensive scheme , add some wrinkles in and develop more complex coverages. Pete Carroll has done that in Seattle which shouldn't be a shock but it's something Wash is totally incapable of.  You aren't really going to be blitzing too often with a front 4 anyway unless you're Mike Zimmer.

How does it operate like a 4-3 when most of the time we only have 2 LB's on the field? We definitely need a DC who can come up with some new schemes and coverages. As far as the blitzing, Mike Zimmer had the #1 defense in the NFL last year. They've fell off a bit this year, but they still rank #5 overall and they are in the playoff hunt. He must be onto something.

(12-08-2018, 03:07 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2018, 01:46 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]This scheme operates like a true 4-3 though. The only difference is Calais can two gap and rush the from outside too. Most Seattle schemes have evolved from being purely big end orientated and we have too.    

The big change we need is a DC who is willing to expand on the defensive scheme , add some wrinkles in and develop more complex coverages. Pete Carroll has done that in Seattle which shouldn't be a shock but it's something Wash is totally incapable of.  You aren't really going to be blitzing too often with a front 4 anyway unless you're Mike Zimmer.

How does it operate like a 4-3 when most of the time we only have 2 LB's on the field? We definitely need a DC who can come up with some new schemes and coverages. As far as the blitzing, Mike Zimmer had the #1 defense in the NFL last year. They've fell off a bit this year, but they still rank #5 overall and they are in the playoff hunt. He must be onto something.

What? Every 4-3 has 2 Lbs on the field most of the time. That's just nickel man. It's still a 4-3.  Our defense is a 4-3 even though most of the time we play with 5 DBs.

Zimmers defense is awesome, so is Pete Carrolls 4-3 and he rarely blitzs. Theres no definitive best defensive scheme