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(12-06-2018, 04:32 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]What was the thought process behind this post? Doesn't appear too thought out. Who on this list are you willing to brag about? I see Lewan as the lone one. Looks pretty Jaguar-isk.

2008 Chris Johnson
2009 Kenny Britt
2010 Derrick Morgan
2011 Jake Locker
2012 Kendall Wright
2013 Chance Warmack
2014 Taylor Lewan
2015 Marcus Mariota
2016 Jack Conklin
2017 Corey Davis
2017         Adoree' Jackson
2018 Rashaan Evans

They have at least 5 good picks on this list sooo

(12-06-2018, 04:59 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2018, 04:41 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]see above, 3 maybe 4 bad ones(if you include britt) compared to jags which are... all bad until you hit 2015... and the jury is still out on them. LF lookin like a bust and taven who?

I get the team bias, but come on. You lost me at Mariota-stud. On LF, you may want to take a look at his stats. Do you think Henry is a bust? And Bryan is a rookie on a stacked defense. Come on man!

Travis Henry? 

He certainly did not look like a bust last night

If you look at that list of top 5 draft picks and still think Dave deserves a job, you're out of your mind.

(12-07-2018, 12:21 PM)The Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2018, 04:59 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]I get the team bias, but come on. You lost me at Mariota-stud. On LF, you may want to take a look at his stats. Do you think Henry is a bust? And Bryan is a rookie on a stacked defense. Come on man!

Travis Henry? 

He certainly did not look like a bust last night

So you post a gif of a face mask that wasnt called

(12-08-2018, 09:10 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2018, 12:21 PM)The Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]Travis Henry? 

He certainly did not look like a bust last night

So you post a gif of a face mask that wasnt called

Regardless of the face mask, he shoved Bouye out of the way like a rag doll.  Henry holding him up was the only thing that kept him from being trampled.

Quote: Texans 1st rounders:
2008     26     Duane Brown     OT     Virginia Tech     
2009     15     Brian Cushing     OLB     Southern California
2010     20     Kareem Jackson     CB     Alabama     
2011     11     J. J. Watt     DE     Wisconsin
2012     26     Whitney Mercilus     DE     Illinois
2013     27     DeAndre Hopkins     WR     Clemson
2014     1       Jadeveon Clowney     DE     South Carolina
2015     16     Kevin Johnson     CB     Wake Forest     
2016     21     Will Fuller     WR     Notre Dame
2017     12     Deshaun Watson     QB     Clemson

Texans are winning (or is it losing) the first round pick battle.

Anyone buying into this post is an idiot.

Caldwell ain’t going no where. Neither is Marrone.

We have a Super Bowl defense with a high school offense . Dave will get a chance to get a good TE, a solid QB and another WR. And he will have a chance to bring in some free agents and get all of our injured players back.

I’m not wanting to blow it up during our window. We have a good RB with a nasty defense.

We should be right back in the playoffs next season.

(12-08-2018, 04:39 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell ain’t going no where. Neither is Marrone.

We have a Super Bowl defense with a high school offense . Dave will get a chance to get a good TE, a solid QB and another WR. And he will have a chance to bring in some free agents and get all of our injured players back.

I’m not wanting to blow it up during our window. We have a good RB with a nasty defense.

We should be right back in the playoffs next season.

I wish I could buy into the Teal Kool Aid like that. 

Reality is that we've got the worst salary cap situation in the NFL.  We don't have the $$ to get a QB in free agency or via trade.  We're going to have to cut several high-priced veterans and our draft picks from the last few drafts are nothing great.  Where is the salary cap room to add a QB, TE, and WR?  It doesn't exist.  

Fournette hasn't shown anything.  He was injury prone in college and he's been injured most of this year.  The defense went way downhill in the pass rush department.  

We blew a lot of salary cap room on Moncrief and Norwell and it didn't pay off. 

Caldwell has not been a good GM.  He's missed on all of his first round picks outside of Ramsey.  Sure, he's hit on a few solid players like Yannick and Myles Jack, but extending Lee over Robinson?  Breaking the bank for Norwell?  Especially when you know you need the cap space to sign Yannick, Jalen, and Myles?  

Of course, a good QB in the draft could fix a lot of things, but you can't expect a turnaround to be led by a rookie so you're looking at 2020 at best and by then a lot of the current defensive players will be gone.

(12-08-2018, 08:55 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at that list of top 5 draft picks and still think Dave deserves a job, you're out of your mind.

The same idiots defending dave were probably the same ones backing gene smith.

(12-08-2018, 08:06 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2018, 08:55 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at that list of top 5 draft picks and still think Dave deserves a job, you're out of your mind.

The same idiots defending dave were probably the same ones backing gene smith.

I'm one of those idiots who defends Dave, and I was one of the earliest critics of Gene Smith. I was also critical of Dave Caldwell early but changed my mind after the 2014 draft. In spite of Bortles the Jags 2014 draft was the best in team history ... until the 2016 draft.

Look at the drafts starting in 2014 (Caldwell replaced much of the scouting department after the 2013 draft). Most of those players are still in the NFL, even if not still on the Jags. Compare that with any other GM.

I look at the play of defensive draftees and free agent signees and note that they all either got worse or did not improve their second season with Gus Bradley as the head coach. That was especially true of the DBs. That's coaching, not drafting, and you can't blame the GM when the coaching staff ruins a player. The recent picks on defense have actually improved in their second season under Marrone. Even Smoot is showing some life.

Yes, Dave was the one who chose Gus Bradley. There were several teams interested in Gus, and no one knew how bad he'd be as a head coach. The real problem was that Dave didn't fire Gus after he saw how bad he was. The most likely explanation was a promise the Jags made to Gus to give him a full 4 years with Khan backing up that promise. Such a promise was no doubt necessary considering the state of the Jags roster at the time.

The Fournette pick is typical of Tom Coughlin. Remember how he tried to trade up for Curtis Enis and then drafted Fred Taylor?

There are things I don't like about Dave Caldwell. He refuses to initiate a trade down in the draft, only waiting for someone else to call. In most of the drafts, the best player available at the Jags first round choice either wasn't a need or wasn't any better than the next ten players, so a trade down was called for. But as far as player selection, Dave Caldwell has been above average.

(12-08-2018, 08:55 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at that list of top 5 draft picks and still think Dave deserves a job, you're out of your mind.

You do realize that the picks Caldwell made were all players that were going to get picked at that spot or around it, right? Bortles may have been about 8 spots off, but if they didn’t pick a QB, this fan base would have likely boycotted the games and frankly, our choice of QBs (in retrospect) wasn’t very good at all. To be honest, I don’t think it would have mattered much who we took seeing as Greg Olsen would have ruined him anyway.

Besides all that, it is much harder to draft good players in the latter rounds and even sign good undrafted FAs, something Caldwell seems to do quite well with. I’ll repeat what I said in another thread: Don’t fire people unless you have a better and realistic replacement.

(12-16-2018, 05:52 PM)jrvegeeta Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2018, 08:55 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at that list of top 5 draft picks and still think Dave deserves a job, you're out of your mind.

You do realize that the picks Caldwell made were all players that were going to get picked at that spot or around it, right? Bortles may have been about 8 spots off, but if they didn’t pick a QB, this fan base would have likely boycotted the games and frankly, our choice of QBs (in retrospect) wasn’t very good at all. To be honest, I don’t think it would have mattered much who we took seeing as Greg Olsen would have ruined him anyway.

Besides all that, it is much harder to draft good players in the latter rounds and even sign good undrafted FAs, something Caldwell seems to do quite well with. I’ll repeat what I said in another thread: Don’t fire people unless you have a better and realistic replacement.

OR, fire people when they repeatedly fail in the most important decisions someone in their position has to make, then see if you can find someone who can do better.

You can make a case here and there for Caldwell. However, at the end of the day. With today's loss. That's now the 5th time in his 6 years here that this team has finished or will finish a season with double digit numbers in the L column.

What more do you need to see? Last year was a fluke. We played some easy QBs. We had to pull out all the stops on ST with trickery here and there. We had to score on defense.

And we barely managed 10 wins last year after leaning on the ground game and getting lucky with a few decent or big games out of Cole and Lee.

The injury bug absolutely hammered this team this year. But the level of competition improved in this division and we couldn't keep up with everything sinking and imploding underneath the surface.

I don't know if firing this entire coaching staff and scouting department is the answer going forward into 2019. But we have most certainly seen this scenario before. And if history has shown us anything.

Complacency kills. Accepting below average results from top down kills. We had a shot back in January. Instead of taking it. We sat on it. Had they taken that shot? Maybe we whoop the [BLEEP] out of the Eagles and earn our first Superbowl.

And this down year could have been chalked up to injuries indefinitely along with the common "Superbowl Hangover" that gets tossed around every year.

See you guys next weekend.

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(12-16-2018, 05:52 PM)jrvegeeta Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t fire people unless you have a better and realistic replacement.

Print out any random draftnik's top ~10 available when we've gone on the clock in the first round the last 6 years. Now, go find a monkey and blindfold him. Hand him a dart and let him throw that dart at the random paper. Boom, I just found a better and realistic replacement.