(12-08-2018, 10:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP]. Leonard Fournette doesn't have an offensive line in front of him. No one in the history of the NFL could make decent yards behind that offensive line that is out there now.
MJD 2011 1,606 yards
He alone accounted for almost 50% of the teams total offensive yardage that year. This despite the fact that we were last in the league in passing and everybody knew he was getting the ball.
He’s a flaming bust. Caldwell may not had final say in this pick or the last draft but he had input. Add four out of five of the first round picks sucks, he has to go.
(12-08-2018, 11:29 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018, 10:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP]. Leonard Fournette doesn't have an offensive line in front of him. No one in the history of the NFL could make decent yards behind that offensive line that is out there now.
MJD 2011 1,606 yards
He alone accounted for almost 50% of the teams total offensive yardage that year. This despite the fact that we were last in the league in passing and everybody knew he was getting the ball.
That 2011 Offensive Line was dominate. Even fully healthy we don't have anything like that here.
(12-08-2018, 01:00 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018, 11:29 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]MJD 2011 1,606 yards
He alone accounted for almost 50% of the teams total offensive yardage that year. This despite the fact that we were last in the league in passing and everybody knew he was getting the ball.
That 2011 Offensive Line was dominate. Even fully healthy we don't have anything like that here.
Yeah. Will Rackley and Guy Whimper were top notch!
I jest.
That line was better than the injured decimation we have now, but it was not some unbelievable line.
Meester and Nwaneri were at the bitter end and Monroe wasn't "dominant" at anything.
(12-08-2018, 01:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018, 01:00 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]That 2011 Offensive Line was dominate. Even fully healthy we don't have anything like that here.
Yeah. Will Rackley and Guy Whimper were top notch!
I jest.
That line was better than the injured decimation we have now, but it was not some unbelievable line.
Meester and Nwaneri were at the bitter end and Monroe wasn't "dominant" at anything.
Your right I was thinking of a few years prior to 2011. Still you had a downhill sledding duo outside the line in TE (Mercedes) and FB (Greg Jones). I should know that I have to google/bing a little more before posting.
(12-08-2018, 04:53 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]You act as though Fournette is constantly getting stuffed, but that's not at all true. He consistently picks up yards running right up the middle often making 12-yard scampers look effortless. Yeldon has to get outside to be effective.
https://twitter.com/IE_NFL/status/1070810181049688064
(12-08-2018, 01:24 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018, 04:53 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]You act as though Fournette is constantly getting stuffed, but that's not at all true. He consistently picks up yards running right up the middle often making 12-yard scampers look effortless. Yeldon has to get outside to be effective.
https://twitter.com/IE_NFL/status/1070810181049688064
I've never seen a running back so good at running into the center's butt.
(12-08-2018, 03:28 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2018, 11:30 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The worst part of this is that our best RB is going to leave in FA and he's going to get a really good contract. Some team is going to sign Yeldon and laugh all the way to the bank, while we're stuck with useless Fournette and Hyde.
Yeldon is easily our best RB and it isn't even a question.
I'd like to see Yeldon extended if possible although I know the cap makes it tricky. He's just such a great change-of-pace from any traditional runner like Fournette and Hyde, and he's got that third downs role down pat. He did miss a block on third downs this past game, but you don't see that very often from him. That said, he's not better than Fournette as a feature back and wouldn't have done any better on those goalline plays. Fournette just needs to stay healthy so he can stay consistent, as do the OLs in front of him.
As for Hyde, I scratch my head trying to understand the trade. I guess they needed insurance with Fournette out so much, but I'm not overly impressed with the guy.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I'd rather see us keep Grant. Yeldon is a solid receiver, but as a pure runner, he's got some very real limitations. Grant, while not being as "polished" as Yeldon, is explosive, and with Fournette looking to date like a wet blanket, we need explosive.
(12-08-2018, 12:10 PM)P. Haze Wrote: [ -> ]He’s a flaming bust. Caldwell may not had final say in this pick or the last draft but he had input. Add four out of five of the first round picks sucks, he has to go.
And who would you replace him with? Find me a talent evaluator worthy of the GM title who:
A. Would be willing to move to a "name only" role where he doesn't have final say
B. Works for a team that would let a skilled talent evaluator leave for a "name only" role without final say
The only way Caldwell gets replaced is from within, and considering the structure of the scouting organization, that's just going to get us a Caldwell disciple. Last time we tried promoting a guy who worked under a failure, we got Gene Smith.
(12-08-2018, 01:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018, 01:00 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]That 2011 Offensive Line was dominate. Even fully healthy we don't have anything like that here.
Yeah. Will Rackley and Guy Whimper were top notch!
Hey, Whimper was a great tight end. Too bad he played tackle.
(12-08-2018, 02:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I've never seen a running back so good at running into the center's butt.
LF does miss a lot of holes, but his biggest problem I think is his penchant for looking for contact. Everyone knows the adage is "run to daylight". Fournette would rather try to run over a guy for a 7 yard gain than try to make him miss for a 15 yard gain.
4 nette unfortunately is a bust
hes missing wide open holes. he has no vision to create for himself. hes looking for contact
hell go down as bad as richardson
Fournette's tough running persona is exaggerated. He'll run hard for about a quarter, but he slows down before hitting anyone more often than not.
(12-08-2018, 01:00 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018, 11:29 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]MJD 2011 1,606 yards
He alone accounted for almost 50% of the teams total offensive yardage that year. This despite the fact that we were last in the league in passing and everybody knew he was getting the ball.
That 2011 Offensive Line was dominate. Even fully healthy we don't have anything like that here.
That "dominate" line allowed 2.8 sacks/game, which ranked 24th in the league that year (Buffalo 1st at 1.4, Rams last at 3.4). It was better than what we field today, but far from dominate.
I don't blame everything on Fournette. It's understandable with the short comings we've seen all across the board on offense. The offensive line is pretty terrible. The receivers are inconsistent. The Quarterback play has been below average at best and even when we do manage to see some level of consistency at the position you begin to see lapses on defense and special teams which pretty much washes out their efforts.
It's just easy to point a finger at him. And honestly. It's easy for us to do that because he makes it too easy himself. The injuries, the two suspensions now, and the questioning of his heart and toughness are alarming for a guy that hasn't even played two full seasons of football yet.
The entire offense needs an enema in the off season. Once all of that [BLEEP] has been flushed out they can look to retool it. Not sure which direction they'll be headed in. But I can tell you personally that I am tired of this 1978 style of offense. Need someone that's innovative, creative and knows how to identify an opponent's weaknesses or even their strengths and scheme up a plan that works against them.
It's a copy cat sport at this point. That's why Any Reid's coaching tree is the most popular one right now in the NFL. And it's hard to argue against it's success since 2017. Between him, Pederson, Nagy and Reich they've been apart of some great offensive showings. Makes you sick really. If they go out and hire Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Bruce Arians or Kliff Kingsbury it would be a good start. At least we would feel better about the offensive side of the football.
(12-09-2018, 12:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't blame everything on Fournette. It's understandable with the short comings we've seen all across the board on offense. The offensive line is pretty terrible. The receivers are inconsistent. The Quarterback play has been below average at best and even when we do manage to see some level of consistency at the position you begin to see lapses on defense and special teams which pretty much washes out their efforts.
It's just easy to point a finger at him. And honestly. It's easy for us to do that because he makes it too easy himself. The injuries, the two suspensions now, and the questioning of his heart and toughness are alarming for a guy that hasn't even played two full seasons of football yet.
The entire offense needs an enema in the off season. Once all of that [BLEEP] has been flushed out they can look to retool it. Not sure which direction they'll be headed in. But I can tell you personally that I am tired of this 1978 style of offense. Need someone that's innovative, creative and knows how to identify an opponent's weaknesses or even their strengths and scheme up a plan that works against them.
It's a copy cat sport at this point. That's why Any Reid's coaching tree is the most popular one right now in the NFL. And it's hard to argue against it's success since 2017. Between him, Pederson, Nagy and Reich they've been apart of some great offensive showings. Makes you sick really. If they go out and hire Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Bruce Arians or Kliff Kingsbury it would be a good start. At least we would feel better about the offensive side of the football.
The Rams offense should make it quite clear that coaching and playcalling matter a lot. Before Mcvay came along Goff looked like a massive bust, now he's playing like an all pro.
No one has ever blamed everything on Fournette, or Bortles, or the oline, or the injuries...actually I think I have seen people absolve Bortles and Fournette to blame injuries and oline. It's been a healthy mix of all of the above. That said, you draft a RB top 5 he better be transcendent. Elliot has dealt with a banged up oline with a merely decent QB, zero TEs, and until very recently awful WRs and he's balled out all year. If LF was truly a franchise changing talent he would be going off regardless.
(12-08-2018, 08:05 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018, 01:00 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]That 2011 Offensive Line was dominate. Even fully healthy we don't have anything like that here.
That "dominate" line allowed 2.8 sacks/game, which ranked 24th in the league that year (Buffalo 1st at 1.4, Rams last at 3.4). It was better than what we field today, but far from dominate.
I previously stated in response to NYC that I had the year wrong and should have google/binged it before posting. Yes it was not the oline I was thinking of when I posted. My mistake.
(12-09-2018, 02:47 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]No one has ever blamed everything on Fournette, or Bortles, or the oline, or the injuries...actually I think I have seen people absolve Bortles and Fournette to blame injuries and oline. It's been a healthy mix of all of the above. That said, you draft a RB top 5 he better be transcendent. Elliot has dealt with a banged up oline with a merely decent QB, zero TEs, and until very recently awful WRs and he's balled out all year. If LF was truly a franchise changing talent he would be going off regardless.
I completely agree.
When I think about it, he really hasn't shown much. I remember when he was drafted, I didn't exactly want to take him. I understand why we drafted him but I didn't agree when we did.
He has to definitely improve in the offseason and get the passion back. IMO it seems like he isnt running with any kind of fire or passion or motivation.
(12-10-2018, 10:02 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 02:47 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]No one has ever blamed everything on Fournette, or Bortles, or the oline, or the injuries...actually I think I have seen people absolve Bortles and Fournette to blame injuries and oline. It's been a healthy mix of all of the above. That said, you draft a RB top 5 he better be transcendent. Elliot has dealt with a banged up oline with a merely decent QB, zero TEs, and until very recently awful WRs and he's balled out all year. If LF was truly a franchise changing talent he would be going off regardless.
I completely agree.
When I think about it, he really hasn't shown much. I remember when he was drafted, I didn't exactly want to take him. I understand why we drafted him but I didn't agree when we did.
He has to definitely improve in the offseason and get the passion back. IMO it seems like he isnt running with any kind of fire or passion or motivation.
When you are collapsing like we are.... nothing seems like passion. This has been a train wreck after the Pats game.
(12-10-2018, 10:07 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 10:02 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]I completely agree.
When I think about it, he really hasn't shown much. I remember when he was drafted, I didn't exactly want to take him. I understand why we drafted him but I didn't agree when we did.
He has to definitely improve in the offseason and get the passion back. IMO it seems like he isnt running with any kind of fire or passion or motivation.
When you are collapsing like we are.... nothing seems like passion. This has been a train wreck after the Pats game.
Once again, I agree.
I fully understand injuries has played a big part but what I don't understand is why coaching and strategy hasn't change. With that being said, we haven't used any of our players correctly. We have to use what they do best. This coaching staff hasn't recognized strengths and weaknesses at all.