(12-09-2018, 08:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 08:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone is not a bad HC. His major flaw is his unwillingness, or inability, to instill discipline in the team. At times it seems he has no control over locker room and on field gaffs. Assigning captainship to a second year knucklehead (Fournette) sends entirely the wrong message.
While I do think Marrone needs to do a better job instilling discipline (especially in terms of dumb penalties) the captains are elected by the team, not the coaches. If he vetoes their vote, he loses the locker room immediately.
Which is further proof of how undisciplined the team is.
Marrone has to go. He quit on the team and the team quit on him. His lack of character is shining through brightly right now. Change is a coming!
(12-09-2018, 09:20 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone has to go. He quit on the team and the team quit on him. His lack of character is shining through brightly right now. Change is a coming!
Lack of character? That's a little much.
(12-09-2018, 09:20 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone has to go. He quit on the team and the team quit on him. His lack of character is shining through brightly right now. Change is a coming!
(emphasis added)
What is your basis for ANY of the emphasized portion?
(12-09-2018, 08:19 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be terribly upset if they cleaned house but that doesn't necessarily mean it's an inherently better process.
We cleaned house in 2013 (even swept the corners) and had a 4-year run of historic ineptitude.
Don't hire the guy who says we need to do a total tear down this time. We are in position to do a quick rebuild if we get a quality staff and QB.
(12-09-2018, 10:08 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 08:19 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be terribly upset if they cleaned house but that doesn't necessarily mean it's an inherently better process.
We cleaned house in 2013 (even swept the corners) and had a 4-year run of historic ineptitude.
Don't hire the guy who says we need to do a total tear down this time. We are in position to do a quick rebuild if we get a quality staff and QB.
With the talent on this team now, anyone who says a total rebuild is necessary would need his head examined.
Back in 2013, a total rebuild was absolutely necessary.
(12-09-2018, 09:43 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 09:20 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone has to go. He quit on the team and the team quit on him. His lack of character is shining through brightly right now. Change is a coming!
(emphasis added)
What is your basis for ANY of the emphasized portion?
His lack of character goes back to the Buffalo sitiation. The onfield product clearly shows he has lost control of the team and they aren't playing hard for him anymore. Keeping him around would be throwing in the towel for 2019.
Just my opinion. I'm just an observant fan. Time will tell.
(12-09-2018, 10:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 10:08 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Don't hire the guy who says we need to do a total tear down this time. We are in position to do a quick rebuild if we get a quality staff and QB.
With the talent on this team now, anyone who says a total rebuild is necessary would need his head examined.
Back in 2013, a total rebuild was absolutely necessary.
You could literally swap out the entire offense and their production wouldn't miss a beat. We have no reasonable talent on the offensive side of the ball we couldn't afford to lose tomorrow.
Maybe arguments could be made for LF and a couple lineman, but outside of that...
Marrone will be back next season and so will Walsh.
Our defense gave up on several drives against the tacks.
I believe a shake up on the defense with letting some of the players go that were going to be released next season anyway will do wonders for our defense on the team.
And Ramsey might actually grow up in the offseason.
Our O Line will be shored up next season and the QB situation will work its way out one way or a another.
(12-09-2018, 06:43 PM)Trunt8728 Wrote: [ -> ]If watching today’s games tells you anything, it says that the Jags are in desperate need of a wide receiver. There ain’t a jag receiver with the exception of Westbrook that can make the plays that I have seen today.
Moncrief, and Cole need to go. And for the love of god get a tight end who is a threat.
If they decide to keep Marrone then he better show out next season. What a waste of time this has been over the past 6 or 7 years.
I sat there watching the Colts/Texans game thinking to myself, "So that's what competent football teams look like."
And it made me sad.
(12-09-2018, 11:06 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 09:43 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](emphasis added)
What is your basis for ANY of the emphasized portion?
His lack of character goes back to the Buffalo sitiation. The onfield product clearly shows he has lost control of the team and they aren't playing hard for him anymore. Keeping him around would be throwing in the towel for 2019.
Just my opinion. I'm just an observant fan. Time will tell.
(12-09-2018, 10:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]With the talent on this team now, anyone who says a total rebuild is necessary would need his head examined.
Back in 2013, a total rebuild was absolutely necessary.
You could literally swap out the entire offense and their production wouldn't miss a beat. We have no reasonable talent on the offensive side of the ball we couldn't afford to lose tomorrow.
Maybe arguments could be made for LF and a couple lineman, but outside of that...
So taking advantage of a negotiated contractual term is a negative reflection of his character?
As for switching out the entire offense, save Fournette, I strongly disagree. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to ranking 6th like last year's offense did. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to allowing only 24 sacks and less than 90 QB hits in a season the way last year's offense did.
I won't even get into the defense...in no small part because you didn't, either.
(12-09-2018, 11:11 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone will be back next season and so will Walsh.
Our defense gave up on several drives against the tacks.
I believe a shake up on the defense with letting some of the players go that were going to be released next season anyway will do wonders for our defense on the team.
And Ramsey might actually grow up in the offseason.
Our O Line will be shored up next season and the QB situation will work its way out one way or a another.
Wash* won’t be back.
The QB situation will work it’s way out with Blake walking out.
(12-10-2018, 06:41 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 11:06 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]His lack of character goes back to the Buffalo sitiation. The onfield product clearly shows he has lost control of the team and they aren't playing hard for him anymore. Keeping him around would be throwing in the towel for 2019.
Just my opinion. I'm just an observant fan. Time will tell.
You could literally swap out the entire offense and their production wouldn't miss a beat. We have no reasonable talent on the offensive side of the ball we couldn't afford to lose tomorrow.
Maybe arguments could be made for LF and a couple lineman, but outside of that...
So taking advantage of a negotiated contractual term is a negative reflection of his character?
As for switching out the entire offense, save Fournette, I strongly disagree. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to ranking 6th like last year's offense did. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to allowing only 24 sacks and less than 90 QB hits in a season the way last year's offense did.
I won't even get into the defense...in no small part because you didn't, either.
I am just saying that I believe there is this misconception that our team is "stocked with talent" when all of that talent is on one side of the ball, which happens to be the wrong side of the ball in today's NFL. We are essentially the opposite of the Chiefs.
As far as Marrone, I don't always relate law abiding to moral.
You know we actually have been spitting in the wind most of our time as a franchise. We had a disaster transition from the original team success through Del Rio. Just when we built a little bit of momentum with Del Rio we had it all melt down. (Chopping wood.... ugh)
From a player perspective, we have had some great running backs but where are the wide receivers after the first franchise guys? All I know is we were hella of spoiled in 1996 through 1999. I wish that had been built better.
(12-10-2018, 09:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 06:41 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]So taking advantage of a negotiated contractual term is a negative reflection of his character?
As for switching out the entire offense, save Fournette, I strongly disagree. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to ranking 6th like last year's offense did. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to allowing only 24 sacks and less than 90 QB hits in a season the way last year's offense did.
I won't even get into the defense...in no small part because you didn't, either.
I am just saying that I believe there is this misconception that our team is "stocked with talent" when all of that talent is on one side of the ball, which happens to be the wrong side of the ball in today's NFL. We are essentially the opposite of the Chiefs.
As far as Marrone, I don't always relate law abiding to moral.
I wonder what the Chicago Bears think about your "wrong side of the ball in today's NFL" argument.
(12-10-2018, 10:32 AM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 09:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I am just saying that I believe there is this misconception that our team is "stocked with talent" when all of that talent is on one side of the ball, which happens to be the wrong side of the ball in today's NFL. We are essentially the opposite of the Chiefs.
As far as Marrone, I don't always relate law abiding to moral.
I wonder what the Chicago Bears think about your "wrong side of the ball in today's NFL" argument.
The Chicago Bears are exponentially better than us on the offensive side of the ball.
(12-09-2018, 11:11 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone will be back next season and so will Walsh.
Who is Walsh? Joe? Rocky Mountain Way?
(12-10-2018, 11:29 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 11:11 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone will be back next season and so will Walsh.
Who is Walsh? Joe? Rocky Mountain Way?
Bill. He dead.
(12-10-2018, 09:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 06:41 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]So taking advantage of a negotiated contractual term is a negative reflection of his character?
As for switching out the entire offense, save Fournette, I strongly disagree. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to ranking 6th like last year's offense did. There is no way that 2013 offense ever comes close to allowing only 24 sacks and less than 90 QB hits in a season the way last year's offense did.
I won't even get into the defense...in no small part because you didn't, either.
I am just saying that I believe there is this misconception that our team is "stocked with talent" when all of that talent is on one side of the ball, which happens to be the wrong side of the ball in today's NFL. We are essentially the opposite of the Chiefs.
As far as Marrone, I don't always relate law abiding to moral.
There was nothing immoral about his departure from Buffalo, you just don't like the guy and always, always, disparage him.
(12-10-2018, 11:26 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 10:32 AM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what the Chicago Bears think about your "wrong side of the ball in today's NFL" argument.
The Chicago Bears are exponentially better than us on the offensive side of the ball.
Huh? against our starters before injuries...No
(12-10-2018, 08:54 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 11:11 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone will be back next season and so will Walsh.
Our defense gave up on several drives against the tacks.
I believe a shake up on the defense with letting some of the players go that were going to be released next season anyway will do wonders for our defense on the team.
And Ramsey might actually grow up in the offseason.
Our O Line will be shored up next season and the QB situation will work its way out one way or a another.
Wash* won’t be back.
The QB situation will work it’s way out with Blake walking out.
Either way....
(12-10-2018, 12:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 11:29 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Who is Walsh? Joe? Rocky Mountain Way?
Bill. He dead.
(12-10-2018, 09:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I am just saying that I believe there is this misconception that our team is "stocked with talent" when all of that talent is on one side of the ball, which happens to be the wrong side of the ball in today's NFL. We are essentially the opposite of the Chiefs.
As far as Marrone, I don't always relate law abiding to moral.
There was nothing immoral about his departure from Buffalo, you just don't like the guy and always, always, disparage him.
I don't like him because he seems very unintelligent. And worse than that, he seems incapable of change.
(12-09-2018, 08:46 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018, 06:31 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]useing the injurys as an excause to not fire a HC is what losers would say. the eagles won the super bowl last season with a lot of injurys includeing thier qb. They have injurys this year as well,and are still in the playoff race. they have a real HC. Injurys are excauses for when teams are loseing all the time. im sorry but doug needs to go. if he stays we wil become the new clevleand browns of the nfl. a laughing stock.
I still think Marrone must've kicked your dog before he died.
I'm starting to think Marrone must have kicked his otherwise-healthy dog in the seconds preceding its death.
(12-09-2018, 09:20 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone has to go. He quit on the team and the team quit on him. His lack of character is shining through brightly right now. Change is a coming!
I don't think Marrone's quit. There's no $4M golden parachute waiting for him if he walks away this time. I do think the locker room is lost to him. If his message still carried any weight, Fournette would know better than to threaten a fan, and Marrone would bury his [BLEEP] for being dumb enough to do that instead of falling back on, "He said a dirty word to me, so even though I'm a professional and should be above such things, I'm going to threaten him in retaliation. Right after my suspension for beating Shaq Lawson's [BLEEP] runs out."
Point being, Fournette is exhibit A that Marrone has no control over the locker room, and whatever
that was on Thursday is strong evidence that the team just doesn't care.
(12-09-2018, 11:11 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone will be back next season and so will Walsh.
If that's the case, I will not. This team is too good to waste another year under a staff that can't control it.