(12-13-2018, 08:23 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2018, 02:00 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]I doubt it reduces cap, so it doesn't really matter. It would just save a little bit. He probably will sign for league minimum in order to get a spot on a roster since the Jags are already paying him the 6.5 and he isn't getting more than that from anyone.
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Why in the world wouldn't it reduce the cap? Sure it does. If he signs with a team for $4 mil, that's a direct savings on the cap reducing that $6.5 mil cost against the cap to only $2.5 mil. That's why offset language is used.
No one will sign him for anything more than the league minimum
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(12-13-2018, 09:28 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2018, 08:23 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Why in the world wouldn't it reduce the cap? Sure it does. If he signs with a team for $4 mil, that's a direct savings on the cap reducing that $6.5 mil cost against the cap to only $2.5 mil. That's why offset language is used.
No one will sign him for anything more than the league minimum
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Gabbert's salary this year is $1.5 million, someone will easily pay double that for Bortles.
(12-13-2018, 09:33 AM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2018, 09:28 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]No one will sign him for anything more than the league minimum
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Gabbert's salary this year is $1.5 million, someone will easily pay double that for Bortles.
Not when he is already being paid by the Jags. Why pay him anything and take the cap hit when you can have him for the minimum and he still gets the full amount from the Jags.
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Backup QBs make pretty good coin. Some quick examples are Chad Henne at $3.3m, Chase Daniel $5.0m, and AJ McCarron $5.0m. It is not unreasonable to think that Blake could fetch in the $4m range as a backup.
Cool. Perhaps we can raise ticket prices again and drive more NFL fans away from the stadium.
I'm telling you, pro sports teams are in for a rude awakening once my generation gets too old to care.
(12-13-2018, 09:33 AM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2018, 09:28 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]No one will sign him for anything more than the league minimum
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Gabbert's salary this year is $1.5 million, someone will easily pay double that for Bortles.
We just need a bailout like the Texans got with Osweiller and the Brown's. So lucky.
(12-13-2018, 09:44 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]Backup QBs make pretty good coin. Some quick examples are Chad Henne at $3.3m, Chase Daniel $5.0m, and AJ McCarron $5.0m. It is not unreasonable to think that Blake could fetch in the $4m range as a backup.
Yes in the future after the Jags are done paying him, no reason to pay him twice
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(12-13-2018, 09:28 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2018, 08:23 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Why in the world wouldn't it reduce the cap? Sure it does. If he signs with a team for $4 mil, that's a direct savings on the cap reducing that $6.5 mil cost against the cap to only $2.5 mil. That's why offset language is used.
No one will sign him for anything more than the league minimum
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He'd be one of the best backups in the league and still young
(12-11-2018, 11:09 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell and Coughlin have to go they took us from one of the best cap situations to the worst. With nothing to show for it. Joke.
Not really savvy when it comes to the salary cap, huh?
The Jags have done a good job of managing the cap, even now as they're right up on it for 2019. Most of the big money deals are structured in such a way that the team will be fine. I don't recall seeing you whining about the salary cap, and demanding anyone be fired for mismanagement last year when the team was making a run to the AFC championship. Other than the Bortles deal, nothing has changed, and even that is a contract that will be addressed this off season.
(12-12-2018, 05:21 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2018, 04:47 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]Include Parnell and you have a total savings on the 2019 cap of $27.75 million. That drops the team to $14.25 million below, enough to sign the rookie draft class, and have enough left over to sign a player like Jack to an extension.
Paying Telvin and Jack almost 20 million combined is going to be interesting...
Telvin needs to take a pay cut on that raise he just got lol
We don't need to worry about extending Jack, Yan, or Ramsey until after the 2019 season.
Ramsey we technically could/should push further.
(12-13-2018, 01:36 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2018, 05:21 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Paying Telvin and Jack almost 20 million combined is going to be interesting...
Telvin needs to take a pay cut on that raise he just got lol
We don't need to worry about extending Jack, Yan, or Ramsey until after the 2019 season.
Ramsey we technically could/should push further.
Uh, I doubt that. He's already hinting at holding out.
(12-13-2018, 12:38 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2018, 11:09 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell and Coughlin have to go they took us from one of the best cap situations to the worst. With nothing to show for it. Joke.
Not really savvy when it comes to the salary cap, huh?
The Jags have done a good job of managing the cap, even now as they're right up on it for 2019. Most of the big money deals are structured in such a way that the team will be fine. I don't recall seeing you whining about the salary cap, and demanding anyone be fired for mismanagement last year when the team was making a run to the AFC championship. Other than the Bortles deal, nothing has changed, and even that is a contract that will be addressed this off season.
Whatever we all knew some tough decisions were coming up. Coughlin ran the cap up before it's not like there isn't history there. We will see about fine. Nobody was whining last year was just trying to enjoy a winning season. It's not like those grow on trees around here either.
I guess they are all perfect tho. There has been plenty of mismanagement imo. Yea my opinion.
We are thirty two on the cap and suck so there is that also.
(12-13-2018, 09:57 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2018, 12:38 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Not really savvy when it comes to the salary cap, huh?
The Jags have done a good job of managing the cap, even now as they're right up on it for 2019. Most of the big money deals are structured in such a way that the team will be fine. I don't recall seeing you whining about the salary cap, and demanding anyone be fired for mismanagement last year when the team was making a run to the AFC championship. Other than the Bortles deal, nothing has changed, and even that is a contract that will be addressed this off season.
Whatever we all knew some tough decisions were coming up. Coughlin ran the cap up before it's not like there isn't history there. We will see about fine. Nobody was whining last year was just trying to enjoy a winning season. It's not like those grow on trees around here either.
I guess they are all perfect tho. There has been plenty of mismanagement imo. Yea my opinion.
We are thirty two on the cap and suck so there is that also.
Coughlin doesn't set the contract value, or negotiate the deals. We've got someone on the staff whose sole purpose is to manage the salary cap. That has been the case since Coughlin put the team in salary cap hell trying to get to the Super Bowl in the late 90's. The salary cap has been well managed ever since then. Just look at the way they structure deals now so that they have flexibility. The team spent money because they had one of the best cap situations in the league, and the majority of the free agents they brought in over the past couple of years have had a positive impact. But, those bloated contracts are almost expected to be cut at some point when production doesn't match compensation, and the deals have almost all been structured in a way to benefit the team. That's how you manage the cap if you intend to spend money but not put yourself into a purge situation like we had with Coughlin the first time around.
(12-14-2018, 05:36 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/10736...22176?s=21
We are almost there.
Yeah, it's not really anything to worry about. Jackson is gone at the end of the season, and they'll more than likely rework Campbell's deal. The cap will be fine. This hand wringing some are doing over where we rank in cap space is comical. That can change in an instant with a couple of moves.
Malik - Savings of 11M
N.Paul - 2M
Church - 6.25M
BB - 6.5M
=$25.75M
also wouldn't mind seeing these guys gone as well....
ASJ - 4.75M
Gibson - 7.45M
Parnell- 6M
another $18M in savings.
(12-14-2018, 06:07 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]....
ASJ - 4.75M
Gibson - 7.45M
Parnell- 6M
another $18M in savings.
ASJ isn't a wise cut unless he's got off the field stuff again. He was the only decent receiving option at his position - they still have to add another viable TE in the offseason - no point needing two. His salary is reasonable.
Gipson played well most of the time. Had a few really good games actually. I don't see any need to cut him.
If they see an upgrade to be had for a lateral financial move, so be it, but that remains to be seen.
Parnell will either be cut or restructured to stay on as depth at a cheaper rate. They have no depth for the O-line next year. Shatley and Wells are at the end of their contracts. They have to draft or sign a RG and maybe a RT if Richardson isn't winning the spot. As Jack pointed out earlier - Parnell may be a good keep for depth purposes. He's got one year left and has gotten all of his guaranteed money.
(12-14-2018, 06:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2018, 06:07 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]....
ASJ - 4.75M
Gibson - 7.45M
Parnell- 6M
another $18M in savings.
ASJ isn't a wise cut unless he's got off the field stuff again. He was the only decent receiving option at his position - they still have to add another viable TE in the offseason - no point needing two. His salary is reasonable.
Gipson played well most of the time. Had a few really good games actually. I don't see any need to cut him.
If they see an upgrade to be had for a lateral financial move, so be it, but that remains to be seen.
Parnell will either be cut or restructured to stay on as depth at a cheaper rate. They have no depth for the O-line next year. Shatley and Wells are at the end of their contracts. They have to draft or sign a RG and maybe a RT if Richardson isn't winning the spot. As Jack pointed out earlier - Parnell may be a good keep for depth purposes. He's got one year left and has gotten all of his guaranteed money.
I hear you, but ASJ hasn't done much here, even before he got hurt and he didn't do much for the jets. He just has the name for being a first rd pick. Def need to draft a TE with one of the two third rd picks, and find another in the later rounds that can play special teams. Keep O'shagnessy (SP), and maybe go after Jesse James in FA if we can move some of these big contracts out, (stated above).
Gibson can be replaced, Tyrann Mathieu is a FA, def and upgrade, Tre Boston is a FA, cheaper and an upgrade. Gibson hasn't even played remotely close to a probowl level since he has been here and plays like he is worried about getting hurt when tackling or hitting.
Parnell has allowed the most pressure of any linemen on our team, even though he has been the most reliable(in availability)/available until recently. He is average at best (not worth the 6M) and if he even wants to play as a back up, I recommend the league minimum and he won't do that.