(12-19-2018, 12:09 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 11:29 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]You trust this front office to properly evaluate talent?
If that was the case, we wouldn't have signed Bortles to a contract extension - or drafted him in the first place.
There was nothing to lose by waiving Greene and bringing Lazard up for some game experience. You know what you have in Greene, you don't know about Lazard.
Actually, if you've been watching a guy practice every day since July, odds are you know what you have in him. Maybe the team thinks that Greene's versatility is worth more than Lazard's height? I'm not saying Greene is any good, but I'm not going to say Lazard's any good either. All we know is that he's a wide receiver in a tight end's body, and apparently that wasn't enough to get him onto this roster.
But Greene has done almost nothing and he's been released/resigned to the roster a few times already. He's a free agent that you aren't bringing back next season. The Jags aren't throwing the ball to Greene anyway. He's been on the roster for 4 years so you know what you've got with him. He's a fringe roster player that no other team tried to sign when he was released.
Lazard probably would not be anything special - but maybe, just maybe, he turns out to be red zone threat or catches a few balls in the middle of the field to move the chains. Maybe you try him out as a TE and split him out or something. We probably have the worst TE group in the NFL so it's not like we could get much worse.
The point is - Jags aren't going anywhere this season so there is literally nothing to lose. For those that say the Jags are trying to win - that's great, but what they've been doing hasn't been working so why not try something else. Turn over every rock, look in every nook and cranny to find talent.
You could say the same thing about Scarborough as well. With Fournette hurting his foot, you may as well put him on IR and let Scarborough have a chance. Odds are he's nothing - but it's like trying to win the lottery, you have no chance if you don't buy a ticket.
(12-18-2018, 06:56 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Kessler is atrocious, if they are set on not starting Blake they mind as well call up and start Tanner Lee and see what you got in your 6th round pick.
At the very least it would give us some entirely different looking [BLEEP] ups.
It could be entertaining.
No championship then? Dayyyuummmm!!
(12-19-2018, 07:56 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2018, 12:09 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, if you've been watching a guy practice every day since July, odds are you know what you have in him. Maybe the team thinks that Greene's versatility is worth more than Lazard's height? I'm not saying Greene is any good, but I'm not going to say Lazard's any good either. All we know is that he's a wide receiver in a tight end's body, and apparently that wasn't enough to get him onto this roster.
But Greene has done almost nothing and he's been released/resigned to the roster a few times already. He's a free agent that you aren't bringing back next season. The Jags aren't throwing the ball to Greene anyway. He's been on the roster for 4 years so you know what you've got with him. He's a fringe roster player that no other team tried to sign when he was released.
Lazard probably would not be anything special - but maybe, just maybe, he turns out to be red zone threat or catches a few balls in the middle of the field to move the chains. Maybe you try him out as a TE and split him out or something. We probably have the worst TE group in the NFL so it's not like we could get much worse.
The point is - Jags aren't going anywhere this season so there is literally nothing to lose. For those that say the Jags are trying to win - that's great, but what they've been doing hasn't been working so why not try something else. Turn over every rock, look in every nook and cranny to find talent.
You could say the same thing about Scarborough as well. With Fournette hurting his foot, you may as well put him on IR and let Scarborough have a chance. Odds are he's nothing - but it's like trying to win the lottery, you have no chance if you don't buy a ticket.
Greene is probably on the roster as a backup to Dede for returns. Who else on the WR corps fits that bill?
What's to say Lazard isn't available again this summer?
I also recall a number of stories that Lazard was not interested in moving to TE, so trying him out there probably wasn't on the table, and if coaches and GMs advise you your best bet to make the squad is to convert, and you thumb your nose at them, why do you want that guy on the roster? Not saying the coaches did this, but it struck me during the offseason that he was that adamant about sticking as a WR.
(12-19-2018, 10:26 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2018, 07:56 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]But Greene has done almost nothing and he's been released/resigned to the roster a few times already. He's a free agent that you aren't bringing back next season. The Jags aren't throwing the ball to Greene anyway. He's been on the roster for 4 years so you know what you've got with him. He's a fringe roster player that no other team tried to sign when he was released.
Lazard probably would not be anything special - but maybe, just maybe, he turns out to be red zone threat or catches a few balls in the middle of the field to move the chains. Maybe you try him out as a TE and split him out or something. We probably have the worst TE group in the NFL so it's not like we could get much worse.
The point is - Jags aren't going anywhere this season so there is literally nothing to lose. For those that say the Jags are trying to win - that's great, but what they've been doing hasn't been working so why not try something else. Turn over every rock, look in every nook and cranny to find talent.
You could say the same thing about Scarborough as well. With Fournette hurting his foot, you may as well put him on IR and let Scarborough have a chance. Odds are he's nothing - but it's like trying to win the lottery, you have no chance if you don't buy a ticket.
Greene is probably on the roster as a backup to Dede for returns. Who else on the WR corps fits that bill?
What's to say Lazard isn't available again this summer?
I also recall a number of stories that Lazard was not interested in moving to TE, so trying him out there probably wasn't on the table, and if coaches and GMs advise you your best bet to make the squad is to convert, and you thumb your nose at them, why do you want that guy on the roster? Not saying the coaches did this, but it struck me during the offseason that he was that adamant about sticking as a WR.
I would counter that with Keelan Cole.
How "good" can practice squad players on a 4-10 team possibly be?
(12-19-2018, 12:44 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]How "good" can practice squad players on a 4-10 team possibly be?
Knowing the Jags, they'll go off to become hall of famers. #becausejaguars
(12-19-2018, 12:44 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]How "good" can practice squad players on a 4-10 team possibly be?
The broncos were 2-4 when we poached David Williams from their PS.
How'd he look to you on Sunday?
(12-19-2018, 07:56 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]But Greene has done almost nothing and he's been released/resigned to the roster a few times already. He's a free agent that you aren't bringing back next season. The Jags aren't throwing the ball to Greene anyway. He's been on the roster for 4 years so you know what you've got with him. He's a fringe roster player that no other team tried to sign when he was released.
Lazard probably would not be anything special - but maybe, just maybe, he turns out to be red zone threat or catches a few balls in the middle of the field to move the chains. Maybe you try him out as a TE and split him out or something. We probably have the worst TE group in the NFL so it's not like we could get much worse.
Greene is probably still here because of his experience returning punts. Off the top of my head, there's no one on the 53-man with any real experience doing so other than Westbrook and Greene. I think Ramsey has been a punt returner in the past, but like hell they're going to risk getting their best player's ACL relocated in a meaningless late-season game. Maybe Chark could step in? Point being, there's not a ton of experience at that position, and even though Greene is far from a game breaker (well, he's not a game breaker for
us, anyway) he's a veteran option who can gain a few yards if Westbrook isn't back there. Added bonus: if Greene gets splattered on a punt return, nothing of value is lost.
Let's just be honest about Lazard: you guys are only interested in him because he's 6'5" 230 and runs sub-4.6. If the dude were 5'9" 190 no one here would have noticed. There didn't seem to be anything special about his game in the preseason aside from the fact that he can jump a lot higher than the typical 5'11" cornerback. If the Jaguars thought he was going to be any good at receiver, they could have waived a guy like Spaight, Herndon or Reavis to bring him in, or they could have raised his salary to exceed the Packers' offer while keeping him on the practice squad. They didn't, and given that they just signed a very similar player to the PS to replace him (Jordan Veasy, 6'3" 225, 4.5), it seems to be a pretty clear case of "the dude ain't got it" rather than a numbers game.
But, I mean, in a world where Shankson Myers makes the Pro Bowl, who knows what kind of crazy things can happen? Maybe the Patriots ship us a 7th for Blake Bortles, who ends up replacing Tom Brady and going to the Hall of Fame?
(12-19-2018, 02:50 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2018, 07:56 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]...
Lazard probably would not be anything special - but maybe, just maybe,...
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Let's just be honest about Lazard: you guys are only interested in him because he's 6'5" 230 and runs sub-4.6....
Actually, my interest in Lazard was about hoping to learn whether he could catch the ball in a regular season game since we seem to have a blight of such individuals. Being a big target helps, but not if said target doesn't get open and catch. It could have been DeAndre Smelter or some other PS receiver and I'd have felt the same way.
(12-19-2018, 02:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2018, 12:44 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]How "good" can practice squad players on a 4-10 team possibly be?
The broncos were 2-4 when we poached David Williams from their PS.
How'd he look to you on Sunday?
You don't coach/manage the roster of a 2-4 team the same way you do at 4-10. After you've been eliminated from the postseason, it's time to start thinking about next year. If you believe a guy has potential, you bring him in for a look.
Special teams has been hurt really bad by all the DB injuries. They have Cole and Greene playing gunners, so I doubt a big WR can play that role.
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(12-19-2018, 10:11 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2018, 02:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The broncos were 2-4 when we poached David Williams from their PS.
How'd he look to you on Sunday?
You don't coach/manage the roster of a 2-4 team the same way you do at 4-10. After you've been eliminated from the postseason, it's time to start thinking about next year. If you believe a guy has potential, you bring him in for a look.
Right.
I'm saying the Jags should have done exactly what you are suggesting.
Now GB has that opportunity and not us.
Maybe he's terrible, but if he's not, we will not reap the benefit.
(12-20-2018, 02:17 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Special teams has been hurt really bad by all the DB injuries. They have Cole and Greene playing gunners, so I doubt a big WR can play that role.
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The kick coverage unit is about as mixed up as the o-line now.
It's literally the opposite of last year with the injuries.
On the other hand we signed (again, he was signed for like less than 24 hours when we signed him/waived him to make room for Bo Scarborough) Dimitri Flower to PS.
He's a fullback but he has nice versatility. Remember seeing him catching passes from Mayfield in some draft videos. I hope he does well and see what happens next offseason with Bohanon. We could use a FB that offers something in the other areas as well like Shanahan, Reid and others are using them in their offense.
(12-18-2018, 05:54 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 05:51 PM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ]I was hoping we were going to waive Rashad Greene to bring up Lazard these past few games...whatever.
Agreed, another horrible decision by the front office
Seriously, let's not oversell this like they just lost Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice here. We're talking about the bottom of the roster for Bo, Lazard, and Greene.
(12-20-2018, 11:03 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 05:54 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, another horrible decision by the front office
Seriously, let's not oversell this like they just lost Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice here. We're talking about the bottom of the roster for Bo, Lazard, and Greene.
I think the remorse is more about losing a prospect at a position where injuries and lackluster performances have created the perfect opportunity to give such a player an in season audition. Shame he didn't get such a shot (longshot or not) given the circumstances we've found ourselves in.
Not giving Lazard a chance seems odd. Our WR core is in shambles right now. We haven't played a meaningful game in a month. Lazard was a guy that was very productive in college on a traditionally bad team. 1000 yards as a junior and nearly 1000 yards a senior with 17 TDS in those two seasons. Plus has an intriguing combination of size and speed. Perhaps the guy looks ugly in practice but the league is filled with guys who were misevaluated only to show their true ability when given a chance.
Obviously we don't watch him in practice every day. Maybe he gets zero separation and has lousy hands. Who knows. Clearly our organization doesnt think very highly of him to not give him an opportunity in what has turned into a dumpster fire of a season at WR. And you'd like to think they have a much better eye for talent than we do. But our organization has also made a number of mistakes with personnel so it's not as though they are infallible. Maybe Lazard will do nothing in his career and will quickly fade from memory. Maybe he turns into a solid player and we look back as another missed opportunity. Time will tell. Again, obviously our team doesnt think very highly of his ability. But from afar it seems odd with his past production in college and somewhat unique physical skillset. Lots of players get evaluated incorrectly and we would have had nothing to lose by playing him. It's like finding an unused lottery ticket lying on the ground but then throwing it away. Odds are you didnt find a winner but it costs you nothing to play and there is always the chance you hit the jackpot. Why wouldnt you play it? It's throwing away an opportunity for no reason.
(12-20-2018, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2018, 11:03 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously, let's not oversell this like they just lost Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice here. We're talking about the bottom of the roster for Bo, Lazard, and Greene.
I think the remorse is more about losing a prospect at a position where injuries and lackluster performances have created the perfect opportunity to give such a player an in season audition. Shame he didn't get such a shot (longshot or not) given the circumstances we've found ourselves in.
I get it, but still, we're talking about a couple of guys who were on the practice squad. Having them plucked off the practice squad by another team this late in the season isn't a "horrible decision" by this front office. Odds are, either one of these guys, or both of them will be available to us at some point between now and the start of next season.