(12-20-2018, 11:57 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2018, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think the remorse is more about losing a prospect at a position where injuries and lackluster performances have created the perfect opportunity to give such a player an in season audition. Shame he didn't get such a shot (longshot or not) given the circumstances we've found ourselves in.
I get it, but still, we're talking about a couple of guys who were on the practice squad. Having them plucked off the practice squad by another team this late in the season isn't a "horrible decision" by this front office. Odds are, either one of these guys, or both of them will be available to us at some point between now and the start of next season.
I agree. The odds of it turning into any sort of devastating loss are akin to being bitten by a shark.
It's just bad timing for the Jags to lose a prospect at WR.
I'd rather have seen him get an audition against the phins this week than whatever GB ends up doing with him.
Update:
Lazard's PS spot has been filled by another receiver with some size. (6'3" - 225)
https://www.jaguars.com/team/players-ros...dan-veasy/
At his Pro Day, Veasy clocked an official 40-yard dash time of 4.54 seconds (he previously ran an unofficial time of under 4.5 seconds) — in wet conditions. He also had a 123-inch broad jump, a 34.5-inch vertical jump, a 4.47-second 20-yard shuttle and a 7.03-second three-cone drill. He did 16 reps on the bench press.
247sports ^
Looks Like they were trying to claim Pharro also
(12-20-2018, 11:51 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Not giving Lazard a chance seems odd. Our WR core is in shambles right now. We haven't played a meaningful game in a month. Lazard was a guy that was very productive in college on a traditionally bad team. 1000 yards as a junior and nearly 1000 yards a senior with 17 TDS in those two seasons. Plus has an intriguing combination of size and speed. Perhaps the guy looks ugly in practice but the league is filled with guys who were misevaluated only to show their true ability when given a chance.
Obviously we don't watch him in practice every day. Maybe he gets zero separation and has lousy hands. Who knows. Clearly our organization doesnt think very highly of him to not give him an opportunity in what has turned into a dumpster fire of a season at WR. And you'd like to think they have a much better eye for talent than we do. But our organization has also made a number of mistakes with personnel so it's not as though they are infallible. Maybe Lazard will do nothing in his career and will quickly fade from memory. Maybe he turns into a solid player and we look back as another missed opportunity. Time will tell. Again, obviously our team doesnt think very highly of his ability. But from afar it seems odd with his past production in college and somewhat unique physical skillset. Lots of players get evaluated incorrectly and we would have had nothing to lose by playing him. It's like finding an unused lottery ticket lying on the ground but then throwing it away. Odds are you didnt find a winner but it costs you nothing to play and there is always the chance you hit the jackpot. Why wouldnt you play it? It's throwing away an opportunity for no reason.
Someone has to take Greene's spot on special teams and I don't think Lazard could do that. Basically all the WRs have had time on special teams, I think even Moncrief was out 1 or 2 times. While yes he may have a chance to make an impact, for whatever reason they did not think he could fill the holes on the roster with all the injuries. It isn't about trying a WR out, it is all the other stuff a bottom of the roster WR has to do.
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(12-20-2018, 11:57 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2018, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think the remorse is more about losing a prospect at a position where injuries and lackluster performances have created the perfect opportunity to give such a player an in season audition. Shame he didn't get such a shot (longshot or not) given the circumstances we've found ourselves in.
I get it, but still, we're talking about a couple of guys who were on the practice squad. Having them plucked off the practice squad by another team this late in the season isn't a "horrible decision" by this front office. Odds are, either one of these guys, or both of them will be available to us at some point between now and the start of next season.
Yeah it's not a big deal, just another example of where you could be more pro active with your use of the roster.
(12-20-2018, 09:04 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2018, 11:51 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Not giving Lazard a chance seems odd. Our WR core is in shambles right now. We haven't played a meaningful game in a month. Lazard was a guy that was very productive in college on a traditionally bad team. 1000 yards as a junior and nearly 1000 yards a senior with 17 TDS in those two seasons. Plus has an intriguing combination of size and speed. Perhaps the guy looks ugly in practice but the league is filled with guys who were misevaluated only to show their true ability when given a chance.
Obviously we don't watch him in practice every day. Maybe he gets zero separation and has lousy hands. Who knows. Clearly our organization doesnt think very highly of him to not give him an opportunity in what has turned into a dumpster fire of a season at WR. And you'd like to think they have a much better eye for talent than we do. But our organization has also made a number of mistakes with personnel so it's not as though they are infallible. Maybe Lazard will do nothing in his career and will quickly fade from memory. Maybe he turns into a solid player and we look back as another missed opportunity. Time will tell. Again, obviously our team doesnt think very highly of his ability. But from afar it seems odd with his past production in college and somewhat unique physical skillset. Lots of players get evaluated incorrectly and we would have had nothing to lose by playing him. It's like finding an unused lottery ticket lying on the ground but then throwing it away. Odds are you didnt find a winner but it costs you nothing to play and there is always the chance you hit the jackpot. Why wouldnt you play it? It's throwing away an opportunity for no reason.
Someone has to take Greene's spot on special teams and I don't think Lazard could do that. Basically all the WRs have had time on special teams, I think even Moncrief was out 1 or 2 times. While yes he may have a chance to make an impact, for whatever reason they did not think he could fill the holes on the roster with all the injuries. It isn't about trying a WR out, it is all the other stuff a bottom of the roster WR has to do.
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Thats not a sound process when you are in the midst of a lost season. We already know Greene is a bad NFL player independent of his special teams role.
(12-20-2018, 12:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Update:
Lazard's PS spot has been filled by another receiver with some size. (6'3" - 225)
https://www.jaguars.com/team/players-ros...dan-veasy/
At his Pro Day, Veasy clocked an official 40-yard dash time of 4.54 seconds (he previously ran an unofficial time of under 4.5 seconds) — in wet conditions. He also had a 123-inch broad jump, a 34.5-inch vertical jump, a 4.47-second 20-yard shuttle and a 7.03-second three-cone drill. He did 16 reps on the bench press.
247sports ^
Yeah, I mentioned that earlier. The fact that they went out and grabbed a guy who's just this side of a carbon copy of Lazard suggests that they needed a big WR on the practice squad more than they needed Allen Lazard there.
We never have any stability at offensive line and guys haven't played with each other hardly at all. This team has been wingin' it since Week 6. Hard to say this player is bad or that player is bad. We need to clear IR and get some new blood in that locker room. Preferably some guys with some character because since Poz left it feels like a bunch of high strung kids out there. We should also recognize that letting Allen Robinson go was a mistake. Marqise Lee went down and we haven't done squat minus the Patriots game in the passing department.
Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
(12-21-2018, 09:15 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
I'd be good with it if they think he can hold up physically to taking some hits.
He's still a project but he made several really nice throws in that final preseason game.
(12-20-2018, 11:57 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2018, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think the remorse is more about losing a prospect at a position where injuries and lackluster performances have created the perfect opportunity to give such a player an in season audition. Shame he didn't get such a shot (longshot or not) given the circumstances we've found ourselves in.
I get it, but still, we're talking about a couple of guys who were on the practice squad. Having them plucked off the practice squad by another team this late in the season isn't a "horrible decision" by this front office. Odds are, either one of these guys, or both of them will be available to us at some point between now and the start of next season.
Granted, they were on the practice squad for a reason and most likely will never be starters, but their possible availability between now and next season is irrelevant. We had the opportunity to see them perform in the regular season (with nothing to lose) and we failed to take advantage of it. "horrible decision" may be an overstatement, but I certainly wouldn't call it very smart management. You don't win a championship by leaving stones unturned.
(12-21-2018, 09:15 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
I certainly don't think he could be much worse than what we've seen out of Kessler. It's not like it's going to cost us a playoff spot or anything.
(12-21-2018, 09:15 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
This was my exact thought after Kessler’s first game. What do they have to lose? I may be wrong but if things don’t work out he still has practice squad eligibility.
(12-21-2018, 09:21 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2018, 09:15 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
This was my exact thought after Kessler’s first game. What do they have to lose? I may be wrong but if things don’t work out he still has practice squad eligibility.
Yeah, they could still put him on the PS next season if he's only active for a couple of games this year.
But in the odd chance he lights it up, they'd kind-of be forced to carry him on their 53 next year to protect him.
(Which is fine if he shows enough to warrant that.)
(12-21-2018, 09:15 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
I wouldn't be against that as well.
(12-21-2018, 09:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2018, 09:15 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
I'd be good with it if they think he can hold up physically to taking some hits.
He's still a project but he made several really nice throws in that final preseason game.
If he can't physically take the hits, all that developing is for naught.
(12-21-2018, 09:19 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2018, 11:57 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]I get it, but still, we're talking about a couple of guys who were on the practice squad. Having them plucked off the practice squad by another team this late in the season isn't a "horrible decision" by this front office. Odds are, either one of these guys, or both of them will be available to us at some point between now and the start of next season.
Granted, they were on the practice squad for a reason and most likely will never be starters, but their possible availability between now and next season is irrelevant. We had the opportunity to see them perform in the regular season (with nothing to lose) and we failed to take advantage of it. "horrible decision" may be an overstatement, but I certainly wouldn't call it very smart management. You don't win a championship by leaving stones unturned.
These guys were practicing with the team. The staff had plenty of opportunity to evaluate them to determine if they were worth bumping up to the 53. We've been moving guys up from the PS as the season has progressed, yet these guys lingered. It's not like these guys have been sitting on the couch since the season started. If they flashed in practice, they would have gotten an opportunity to show what they can do in game situations. I don't think we've really lost anything here.
(12-21-2018, 10:01 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2018, 09:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be good with it if they think he can hold up physically to taking some hits.
He's still a project but he made several really nice throws in that final preseason game.
If he can't physically take the hits, all that developing is for naught.
Understood.
I guess what I'm trying to be cautious about is hindering the development of a rookie by prematurely throwing him to the wolves behind such an incompetent O-Line.
If the staff feels strongly he won't suffer what we around here have come to know as "the Gabbert effect" then I'm all about getting the kid some reps.
I took no small amount of grief from the board for praising Lee's work vs Tampa Bay in preseason and for touting his velocity on display at the combine - so I like the upside he possesses more than most folks it would appear.
(12-21-2018, 09:15 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of practice squad guys, as bad as things have been offensively, could it really hurt to bump Tanner Lee to the active roster to give him some snaps before the season is over? We're going to see soeone going on the IR for a stubbed toe over the next week, so why not bring him up?
I think the same concept that you applied to Lazard (rightfully so) should be applied here: it's not like the players ahead of him are lighting it up. If he were showing anything in practice, wouldn't they have elevated him by now?